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Unread 7 Apr 2005, 02:03   #1
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Is there an imdb for books?

what the title says...

i was wondering about this the other day (and so was dace apparently), thinking how great it would be if such a thing existed and i could spend hours browsing through books ive read, posting comments and engaging in discussion etc.

if there ISNT one... then how about making one? could it be economically viable?
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ ?
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

[01:59] <DrogbaisSHIT> amazon!

had that answer already...

basically, amazon has 2 problems: firstly, it is always trying to sell you stuff, which is not the best culture for simple interest fuelled browsing.

secondly, its a bit shitty and doesnt have as many details as imdb, and the comments are put in a worse format.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

I was just looking for one Deepflow, I couldn't find one either. If you find it let me know! For classics I like to browse http://us.penguinclassics.com/
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

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what the title says...

i was wondering about this the other day (and so was dace apparently), thinking how great it would be if such a thing existed and i could spend hours browsing through books ive read, posting comments and engaging in discussion etc.

if there ISNT one... then how about making one? could it be economically viable?
funny enough.. there isn't an Internet Movie DataBase for books.. I wonder why

though, if you started a ibdb site I bet you'd make millions.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

there is one, its trade only though

i will see if i can remember to get the addy at work tomorrow, but i think that you have to login
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

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[01:59] <DrogbaisSHIT> amazon!

had that answer already...

basically, amazon has 2 problems: firstly, it is always trying to sell you stuff, which is not the best culture for simple interest fuelled browsing.
What are we here? A charity organisation?
Seriously, you ask for an economically viable plan for a book database, yet how do you plan on exploiting an information site about books?
Firstly, you need to generate your content (book covers, descriptions). How do you plan on doing that? Volunteers would be the cheapest, but also the least reliable. You will need to check for validity of new content.
Secondly, moderation... there'll be tonnes of viagra ads between your reviews from users that you need to filter out, which will be a lot of work.
Lastly, generating income... ads? Ads for books? How many books are being advertised on the interweb?

I don't see a market here. Certainly not one to get rich from.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

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i was wondering about this the other day (and so was dace apparently), thinking how great it would be if such a thing existed and i could spend hours browsing through books ive read, posting comments and engaging in discussion etc.
It seems much more difficult, because there are fewer things linking books than there are films. I suppose you could have author, publisher, and perhaps mythos or main character, but compare that to script writer, director, producer, all the technical staff, all the actors...

Furthermore, there are far more books than films. Far more.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

How much money is a website liable to make from advertising?

Does anybody know?

Is there any where i can find out about the pence per 1000 hits per 5 second ad type info a site can expect to make (or does anybody know roughly) and does it vary with website content (ie do porn sites get more or less advertising fees than eg a DVD website)?
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

I read an article at gamedev that stated a number... ppv though (pay per view).
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

Here it is.
It's from a point of view from the advertiser, but still...
it states in section 4 a price of $0.50 per thousand impressions (views). So there is the company providing the ads, the statement in that article that "there are better deals out there", and let's say you get about half of that.
Let's say you want to earn about 10 bucks an hour ($30 per hour on a normal 8 hr working day) and you have about 40k views per hour.
One of the big sites in the Netherlands that I frequent have about 1200 view/minute, which results in about 70k views/hour. You could pay a wage for two people from that.
Think of it... managing a website full-time, providing new content, solving problems, developing the website further. With just two people.

edit: editted to make numbers right
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

Month Page Views
January (1874331)
February (1583694)
March (1632314)

Fastclick revenue is somewhere between $150-$250 for each of those months. If people are in the mood for clicking google ads then you can ad on anywhere between $50 -$150.

I can get proper webserver stats if you want but the page view figures are more or less right.

If you have the right sort of content and the visitors who'll click, google ads can make you a ton but if you have a lot of visitors and not many clickthroughs then fastclick is pretty decent.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

If people were serious with this would a wiki format not work? indexing thousands of books would take a few people forever but if you generated a community around it that dealt with the actual content it'd make it more manageable.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

1.8mil, 31 days, which is 60k views/day.
250 bucks, 31 days, $8/day.
60k views for $8. I'd buy that.
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

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What are we here? A charity organisation?
Seriously, you ask for an economically viable plan for a book database, yet how do you plan on exploiting an information site about books?
Firstly, you need to generate your content (book covers, descriptions). How do you plan on doing that? Volunteers would be the cheapest, but also the least reliable. You will need to check for validity of new content.
Secondly, moderation... there'll be tonnes of viagra ads between your reviews from users that you need to filter out, which will be a lot of work.
Lastly, generating income... ads? Ads for books? How many books are being advertised on the interweb?
I don't see a market here. Certainly not one to get rich from.
I'm going to comment on this from the perspective of the owner of iblist.com. I do not make any money off the site (in fact I lose a bit), and the intent is not to sell books. Ads of any type are kept to an absolute minimum. The point of the site is to provide information, nothing more or less.

Content generation
This can take place in three ways. First, you can have paid employees to enter the information. Second, you can have voulenteers. Last, you can get the data directly from the publishers for newer books (most of the larger publishers have a database of book information already). The first two have obvious problems. The last presents a few unique problems. Publishers internal descriptions are often not very descriptive and contain text like "This exciting new drama from award winning..." that is useless to almost everyone. Furthermore, the descriptions are often different and shorter than the back cover synopsis that most people go by.

content moderation
This was solved through the use of a tiered user structure. Regular users can not edit the database (though anyone can submit information for editors to enter). Users who request and are gived Editor access can create and edit entries. Admins are Editors with a few more functions (such as being able to delete entries) but also have a lot of knowledge about how to enter the information. These Admins (3 in total for my site) informally review all entries entered. In the future we are going to implement a system for flagging all entries that are created or edited, but that is a ways off. Because normal users can not edit records, we do not have the same problems as Wikipedia in regards to defacement.

income
If I chose to put a lot more ads on my site, I *could* make a significant profit off the site. The problem is that the site will essentially turn into Amazon, thus defeating the entire point,
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Re: Is there an imdb for books?

I generally use amazon.com when I'm wanting to read reviews of books (normally has more than .co.uk)
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Furthermore, there are far more books than films. Far more.
and so many of them are shitty romances. mind you, you could really save on database space by setting romances to the default "shit romance" setting.
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