UK in the euro

[vampire_lestat]

title about explains it really, what do you lot of lerned (lol) folk think about it, should we or shouldn't we join the euro.

[W]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
title about explains it really, what do you lot of lerned (lol) folk think about it, should we or shouldn't we join the euro.

You should, so we can point and laugh

[Vaio]

I don't think it is a good idea

Vaio

[wu_trax]

i dont think i should express my opinion on this once again.

[Apothos]

If/when the UK joins the Euro, all the evhul Europeans will invade our country, sink our ships, rape our women and burn our babies.

[Nodrog]

I think we should welcome this unique opportunity to form closer bonds of friendship with our munificent european brethren.

[Bloomers III]

yeah sure sounds :cool:

[Weeks]

join.

[Ragnarak]

Originally posted by Nodrog
I think we should welcome this unique opportunity to form closer bonds of friendship with our munificent european brethren.

surely a weekend in amsterdam would suffice, not to mention be a whole lot more interesting

[Dante Hicks]

I really don't care. If there were a referendum, I'd vote against just as an anti-centralist vote, but it matters not.

[mpr0733]

Originally posted by Ragnarak
surely a weekend in amsterdam would suffice, not to mention be a whole lot more interesting

Alternatively, you could round up some ships with excessive horsepowers to come and take it away.

I suspect few would care.

[Demon Dave]

join the euro? over my dead body! not in a million years! never ever ever. in a nutshell: no

KEEP THE POUND DOWN WITH THE EURO

you ask anyone in the euro, they'll tell you they hate it, i guarantee

[roadrunner_0]

does it matter? we are going to end up joining the euro eventually anyway, so our views make not a jot of difference

[Red]

Originally posted by Demon Dave
you ask anyone in the euro, they'll tell you they hate it, i guarantee

You lose.

[LHC]

Originally posted by Demon Dave
you ask anyone in the euro, they'll tell you they hate it, i guarantee

Where did you get that from?

It wouldn't be bad if this was a Britian only forum. But you are retarded.

I think my views on this issue are fairly well known

[CjC]

Originally posted by LHC
Where did you get that from?

It wouldn't be bad if this was a Britian only forum. But you are retarded.

It might not be true that everyone hates the Euro but the Irish definately are not happy, everything is more expensive for them since the introduction of the Euro. Sounds similar to when the UK went decimal, I think that is what will happen.

Plus - in the UK our economy is so different that we would suddenly become the most expensive place to live in the Eurozone (Which is probably the case already) - our housing market is also very different and I guess this is what will be most hit - along with probably an increase in base rate inflation.

Basically we'll be worse off when it happens, as always.

[Demon Dave]

Originally posted by LHC
Where did you get that from?

It wouldn't be bad if this was a Britian only forum. But you are retarded.

The BBC went around France and Germany and asked a load of people what they thought of the Euro. Everyone they asked hated it and wanted their Francs/Marks back

and i'm not retarded, i'm just special. and i am from England, hence "KEEP THE POUND" f00l

[wu_trax]

Originally posted by Demon Dave
The BBC went around France and Germany and asked a load of people what they thought of the Euro. Everyone they asked hated it and wanted their Francs/Marks back

and i'm not retarded, i'm just special. and i am from England, hence "KEEP THE POUND" f00l

you are just wrong, on both things you said .

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
lerned

learnéd

[LHC]

Originally posted by Demon Dave
and i am from England, hence "KEEP THE POUND" f00l

Quote where I questioned where you were from please.

[Radical Edward]

I like the Euro. the Eurozone is also dirt cheap compared to the uk aha!

[Proteus]

I don't like the Euro.

The notes look ridiculous and the coins are boring.

Oh, and it's bad for the economy or something.

[LHC]

At least we'd have some nice clean coins that didnt stink too bad for a couple of years.

[Radical Edward]

Originally posted by Proteus
I don't like the Euro.

The notes look ridiculous and the coins are boring.

Oh, and it's bad for the economy or something.

The standard British Viewpoint. also there is the thing about Europeans eating babies.

[Proteus]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
The standard British Viewpoint.

also there is the thing about Europeans eating babies.

That too.

[Radical Edward]

alot of the arguments I hear against the euro are really retarded though, like "if we were in the euro, what would we be able to compare our prices to?"* I mean fs, it's not as if anyone ever went into a supermarket to buy a pint of milk and then commented on the price of the Deutschmark.

*this was a genuine comment that made me shout at the TV

[Proteus]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
alot of the arguments I hear against the euro are really retarded though, like "if we were in the euro, what would we be able to compare our prices to?"* I mean fs, it's not as if anyone ever went into a supermarket to buy a pint of milk and then commented on the price of the Deutschmark.

*this was a genuine comment that made me shout at the TV

My particular favourite is the "it would make it easier to go on holiday" argument.

[Ste]

Originally posted by CjC
It might not be true that everyone hates the Euro but the Irish definately are not happy, everything is more expensive for them since the introduction of the Euro. Sounds similar to when the UK went decimal, I think that is what will happen.

Plus - in the UK our economy is so different that we would suddenly become the most expensive place to live in the Eurozone (Which is probably the case already) - our housing market is also very different and I guess this is what will be most hit - along with probably an increase in base rate inflation.

Basically we'll be worse off when it happens, as always.

I think that is the reason why we haven't joined yet.
It is inevitable but I think the government have done it entirely right so far, see how it goes and join when the time is right for us.
If you look at the 5 tests Gordon Brown set out, they cover every aspect of the economy. We won't join until those tests are met.

[LHC]

As if he actually ran the tests

[Proteus]

Gordon Brown seems to be anti-Euro, and so it seems highly unlikely that we will join in the near future.

[Deffeh]

i dont know enough to comment on it, but my austrian aunt and cousins say everything is more expensive there now, and people still "think" in schillings.

[wu_trax]

i dont know about ireland or austria, but here a lot of things are cheaper now in the whole retail-sector. we are even close to deflation.

Originally posted by Radical Edward
alot of the arguments I hear against the euro are really retarded though, like "if we were in the euro, what would we be able to compare our prices to?"* I mean fs, it's not as if anyone ever went into a supermarket to buy a pint of milk and then commented on the price of the Deutschmark.

*this was a genuine comment that made me shout at the TV

Be fair, it's not as if only the anti-euro's have their retards.

Lest we forget the 'they have better weather than us' brigade.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally posted by Proteus
Gordon Brown seems to be anti-Euro, and so it seems highly unlikely that we will join in the near future.

I suspect he doesn't give two hoots about anything other than the economic case for it. Which is the only case there is, really.

[Dave]

Its a terrible idea imo.

Both Germany and Italy adopted it, and now the majority of each population wants their original currency back.

Then theres the issue of each countries econamy. There are many differences between the British econamy, and say the German one. A single interest rate cannot benefit both countries, and as such a single currency cannot. Because of this, a commen currency and interest rate for all of Europe is a quite unfeasable idea, unless the economies of each countries are forced to become similar, which according to a recent study, would decimate the British econamy.

If its bad with highly developed countries in western Europe, just imagine the situation if former eastern bloc countries were to join the Euro. As their econamies cant even be compared to their western counterparts, whatever the interest rate was, either the eastern or western Europeon countries would suffer.

Just my £0.02.

(Note I may be totaly incorrect, but this is what I have been able to glean from the news/papers)

[Edit]
Just take the 5 economic tests for example, almost all of them failed to meet the standards required for Euro conformation.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally posted by wu_trax
i dont know about ireland or austria, but here a lot of things are cheaper now in the whole retail-sector. we are even close to deflation.

Our prices are sky-rocketing, inflation has taken off, wage increases are down, rate of GDP growth has fallen and unemployment has significantly risen since we joined the euro.












Of course none of that is related to it in any way whatsoever but as long as you're able to produce big lists of things that sound good for your argument you're always alright.













PS Most people in Europe actually prefer the euro to their old currencies according to every single survey i've seen. However I couldn't care less if they all said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread to be honest.

[vampire_lestat]

basically what you said is right, the jist of it is that, instead of london being the economic capital of europe some crappy german city will be, and the huns will control the intrest rates etc rather than the bank etc.
it all ammounts to a loss of control, meaning that what is best for most europians will be done rather than what is best for the UK, and, most importantly, me.
the worst thing is i wont be able to vote on it, the bastards.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
basically what you said is right, the jist of it is that, instead of london being the economic capital of europe some crappy german city will be, and the huns will control the intrest rates etc rather than the bank etc.
it all ammounts to a loss of control, meaning that what is best for most europians will be done rather than what is best for the UK, and, most importantly, me.
the worst thing is i wont be able to vote on it, the bastards.

It's incredible how people can come up with an argument like this and still support a national government.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
london being the economic capital of europe some crappy german city will be,

London was once a big contender to be home of The ECB, believe it or not.

Jonny M sank that, though, when he signified he was unwilling to bother with The Euro via his 'opt outs' and the idea was a lost cause when Blair came up.

So the world progresses.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
It's incredible how people can come up with an argument like this and still support a national government.

Hey, people are stupid.

[Proteus]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
the worst thing is i wont be able to vote on it, the bastards.

Sure you will.

If Tony attempts to make us join the Euro (or make us sign the new EU Constitution for that matter) without a referendum he will be publicly lynched.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
It's incredible how people can come up with an argument like this and still support a national government.

This is why Northumbria will declare independance in 4 hours and I will be proclaimed it's leader.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by Marilyn Manson
This is why Northumbria will declare indepedance in 4 hours and I will be proclaimed it's leader.

Soon I shall be in Country Durham.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally posted by Proteus
(or make us sign the new EU Constitution for that matter)

The Euro definetley, The Consitution, probably not. It'll just be a Maastricht job. Tony has learnt from The Euro business and other adventures that promising to involve the peons in the great matters of state is a bad idea.

[Proteus]

Originally posted by Marilyn Manson
This is why Northumbria will declare indepedance in 4 hours and I will be proclaimed it's leader.

I would do this in Surrey but it's not really worth it.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
Soon I shall be in Country Durham.

And? Do you want us to lay on a few blueberry pies and glasses of soda?

[vampire_lestat]

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
It's incredible how people can come up with an argument like this and still support a national government.

is it undemocratic (is that even a word?) to want my country to have power over itself, rather than another group of individuals who were not voted on, sounds even more Fachist than what i was saying really.


and MM, really? thats quite a bizarre turn of events, i never know that (all my knowlage of the subject has been learned over the past two years of doing economics).

[Dave]

Originally posted by Marilyn Manson
The Euro definetley, The Consitution, probably not. It'll just be a Maastricht job. Tony has learnt from The Euro business and other adventures that promising to involve the peons in the great matters of state is a bad idea.

I can see the Tories next election 'promise' being to withdraw us from this constitution at all cost.

[queball]

Originally posted by vampire_lestat
is it undemocratic (is that even a word?) to want my country to have power over itself, rather than another group of individuals who were not voted on, sounds even more Fachist than what i was saying really.

In 1997, after huge inflation under John Major, control of interest rates was given to the Bank of England. The only difference between a national currency controlled by an unelected organisation and an international currency controlled by an unelected organisation is things like risk. Economic factors, like MM said.