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19 May 2006, 22:25
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the da vinci code
It's not worth it.
If you ignore all the media hype and if you are really not that much into this whole relgion stuff you are left with a movie of, at best, medium quality. Tom Hanks doesn't fit in at all (and I can't stand the guy anyway), the story drags on and on and it doesnt really seem to make too much sense logically. I was happy after it was over.
What'S all the media attention about? The book is fiction and so is the movie and even if it would all be true, who really cares? The guy has been dead for 2000 years.
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19 May 2006, 22:30
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Re: the da vinci code
The media attention is there because 50 million people have read the book.
As for the film it's been slated in all the reviews I've read. I'm still going to watch it though.
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19 May 2006, 22:46
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Re: the da vinci code
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The media attention is there because 50 million people have read the book.
As for the film it's been slated in all the reviews I've read. I'm still going to watch it though.
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I dont think the book is much better. I read only 1/3 of it before I got bored though.
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19 May 2006, 22:38
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Re: the da vinci code
dan brown isn't worth it.
dan browns book isn't worth it.
the film based on dan brown's book isn't worth it.
really.
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19 May 2006, 23:32
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Re: the da vinci code
I liked the book, but I found the film really boring, which was a shame really because I was quite looking forward to it.
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19 May 2006, 23:33
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Re: the da vinci code
Are you saying who really cares because Jesus has been dead for 2000 years? If so then obviously all the christians care, most of them seem to be kicking up a huge stink over an overrated piece of shit written by someone who probably failed english literature at high school.
You couldn't have meant da vinci as he's only been dead for 487 years.
I'll watch the film as i managed to get through the book. It wasn't the worst book i've ever read by any stretch of the imagination - anything by Valerio Massimo Manfredi takes that award. (though admittedly they were probably down to the poor translations)
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20 May 2006, 05:20
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Re: the da vinci code
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Are you saying who really cares because Jesus has been dead for 2000 years? If so then obviously all the christians care, most of them seem to be kicking up a huge stink over an overrated piece of shit written by someone who probably failed english literature at high school.
You couldn't have meant da vinci as he's only been dead for 487 years.
I'll watch the film as i managed to get through the book. It wasn't the worst book i've ever read by any stretch of the imagination - anything by Valerio Massimo Manfredi takes that award. (though admittedly they were probably down to the poor translations)
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I don't get what most Christians are upset about. It's a fictional book based on the gnostic writings which were debunked a long time ago by Christians and the fake Priory of Zion that was created after Da Vinci's death. The book was at least mildly entertaining but seems the movie is falling flat.
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20 May 2006, 00:52
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Re: the da vinci code
I liked the book a lot and look forward to the movie. Hope I don't get dissapointed :\
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20 May 2006, 11:06
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Re: the da vinci code
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I liked the book a lot and look forward to the movie. Hope I don't get dissapointed :\
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Considering how amazingly shallow and straight-forward the book was, with characters showing the emotional spectrum of 2-year olds, it's my honest opinion you have to be an utter retard in order to like it. I mean, the bloody thing read like a watered down stupidified hollywood-plot.
No offence meant though
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20 May 2006, 12:25
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Re: the da vinci code
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Considering how amazingly shallow and straight-forward the book was, with characters showing the emotional spectrum of 2-year olds, it's my honest opinion you have to be an utter retard in order to like it. I mean, the bloody thing read like a watered down stupidified hollywood-plot.
No offence meant though
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Because someone likes a book they're an utter retard? I could say the same about LOTR fans, Star Trek lovers, entusiastic black metal fans and religious people, but I don't. It's their taste and if they like it, so be it. Just because your taste ain't mine doesn't mean it's shit. Your taste mean nothing to me you know.
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20 May 2006, 13:42
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Re: the da vinci code
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Because someone likes a book they're an utter retard?
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Ok; sorry. I apologize.
I meant "severely lacking in maturity"
It's like.. throwing a ball against a wall yeah? It's something I could do now if I was waiting for someone and was reaaally bored, but back when I was 3 years old fun really found fun and stimulating (wow, it came back this time also! weeee!). If you saw a 20 year old throwing a ball against a wall, and jumping with joy every time it bounced back, you'd call him an utter retard too right?
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20 May 2006, 14:47
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Ok; sorry. I apologize.
I meant "severely lacking in maturity"
It's like.. throwing a ball against a wall yeah? It's something I could do now if I was waiting for someone and was reaaally bored, but back when I was 3 years old fun really found fun and stimulating (wow, it came back this time also! weeee!). If you saw a 20 year old throwing a ball against a wall, and jumping with joy every time it bounced back, you'd call him an utter retard too right?
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What's so bad about the book in your opinion? It's exciting, it got a good history behind it, interesting characters and definitely a good plot (there's several plots actually). I never found religion very interesting, but the way he put it forward in the book made it readable. I don't read books usually, but of the few I've ever read this is clearly the best one.
I think you just didn't understand it, thus you critize everyone who did understand it. Stop acting like a lil kid or go buy yourself a lollipop, here's 5c.
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20 May 2006, 17:12
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Re: the da vinci code
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Because someone likes a book they're an utter retard?
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If it's a sufficiently bad book then yeah. Without reading someone's biography one of the easiest ways to quickly judge someone's character is to look at the things they like (or dislike).
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20 May 2006, 18:04
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Re: the da vinci code
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If it's a sufficiently bad book then yeah. Without reading someone's biography one of the easiest ways to quickly judge someone's character is to look at the things they like (or dislike).
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20 May 2006, 13:29
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Re: the da vinci code
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but the plot sounds pretty exciting.
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Read one of the many, many other books that deal with the same subject area, like Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.
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20 May 2006, 14:28
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Re: the da vinci code
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Read one of the many, many other books that deal with the same subject area, like Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.
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Which incidentally, is about 600 pages of pretentious crap.
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20 May 2006, 14:44
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Re: the da vinci code
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Which incidentally, is about 600 pages of pretentious crap.
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which is probably why he said it was better than the da vinci code then :P
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Re: the da vinci code
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Read one of the many, many other books that deal with the same subject area, like Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.
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If it's as ponderous as The Name of the Rose then i shall be avoiding it.
P.S. Did anybody else, who's read The Name of the Rose, find it slightly boring?
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Re: the da vinci code
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If it's as ponderous as The Name of the Rose then i shall be avoiding it.
P.S. Did anybody else, who's read The Name of the Rose, find it slightly boring?
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20 May 2006, 01:10
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Re: the da vinci code
The film is really shit.
X-Men 3 is AWESOME on the otherhand though. Let's just say I was lucky enough to go to a special screening tonight
I won't spoil it though but it's awsome. I dislike the whole "every beginning must come to an end" thing though.
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Re: the da vinci code
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The film is really shit.
X-Men 3 is AWESOME on the otherhand though. Let's just say I was lucky enough to go to a special screening tonight
I won't spoil it though but it's awsome. I dislike the whole "every beginning must come to an end" thing though.
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well i will spoil it.
patrick stewart's contract ran out.
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Re: the da vinci code
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well i will spoil it.
patrick stewart's contract ran out.
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with any luck he'll be back doing what he does best, a new series of The Next Generation
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20 May 2006, 01:31
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Re: the da vinci code
I havent read the book, but I know how it ends because within those 50 million readers are the ones who tell us on every news show how it ends.
Ill still watch it though, and X Men 3 , and MI 3 , and anything else i can get on a camcorder download this week
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20 May 2006, 14:33
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Re: the da vinci code
going to see it this afternoon.
not expecting too much but i quite enjoyed the book.
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20 May 2006, 15:09
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Re: the da vinci code
in my experience, everyone that likes the da vinci code also
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20 May 2006, 16:12
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Re: the da vinci code
It took me a couple of days to read it and I enjoyed it. If you haven't got the patience to stick with a book then its your loss.
If you liked the da vinci code try david icke's books, he a nutter but its a better fiction book any day.
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Re: the da vinci code
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in my experience, everyone that likes the da vinci code also
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Maybe that's what makes it good? It pulls people who regulary don't read books? If the book applies to them, then it's good. And I doubt such a large discussion (world-wide) would have taken place if the book is totally crap anyway.
What a crap "expert" has to say about a book (or a movie for that sake) means nothing to me. I know they're usually always on deep water with their so called "expert" tips anyway.
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Re: the da vinci code
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Maybe that's what makes it good? It pulls people who regulary don't read books?
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I'd like to have Audrey Tautou pull me regularly.
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21 May 2006, 13:28
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Re: the da vinci code
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in my experience, everyone that likes the da vinci code also
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Imagine my joy when i realised somebody had already made the point i was about to.
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20 May 2006, 18:44
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Re: the da vinci code
I got bored with the Da Vinci Code (the book) - I think I read about 1/3 or 1/2 way through and just gave up on it. It wasn't a particularly exciting plot.
Apparently the film is very similar and quite slow. So if you like the book you're supposed to like the film. Thus I probably won't go and see it.
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Re: the da vinci code
it wasn't that bad.
I've seen better films of course but it could have been a lot worse.
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20 May 2006, 23:59
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Dead Souls - Nikolai Gogol
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I didn't find the movie that bad considering the reviews. It was one of those books they struggled to convert into a movie though,
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he's behind you!
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I don't know shit about the book, but I just saw the movie and it excited and entertained me. Definitely worth it.
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21 May 2006, 13:19
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Re: the da vinci code
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but are you male or female?
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In this case, female.
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21 May 2006, 01:07
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Re: the da vinci code
I liked it. Hadn't read the book either.
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Um, just as a counter snobbery point I read (and enjoyed) the Da Vinci Code.
No it isn't the best book ever. It won't touch you deeply emotionally. You won't be in awe of the beauty of the language. No deep psychological points will be made clear to you. You won't be transported into the hearts and minds of the characters... etc.
However, it's a ripping good yarn and moves on at a rollocking pace, most enjoyable as cheap escapism. People who hate it to try and make themselves feel more refined are only showing the limits of their appreciative powers and enforced snobbery (probably only started when they heard some literary minded friend rubbish it, although that is of course pure conjecture on my part )
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Re: the da vinci code
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People who hate it to try and make themselves feel more refined are only showing the limits of their appreciative powers and enforced snobbery (probably only started when they heard some literary minded friend rubbish it, although that is of course pure conjecture on my part :p )
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HEY! I *AM* that literary minded friend!
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HEY! I *AM* that literary minded friend!
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My conjecture is normally spot on!
Seriously though, what is it you hate about it? In detail. Whatever it was it didn't stop me enjoying it, but then I've never been very picky with things. The fact that the plot moved on pretty swiftly and the themes (lol) were pretty interesting made it enough for me to enjoy.
P.S to whoever neg repped me for my previous post - I propose a "read-off" contest where we... read, to prove who has the biggest penis I think.
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Seriously though, what is it you hate about it? In detail. Whatever it was it didn't stop me enjoying it, but then I've never been very picky with things. The fact that the plot moved on pretty swiftly and the themes (lol) were pretty interesting made it enough for me to enjoy.
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I've not actually read it.
I have however read Angels and Demons and Digital Fortress and found both to be poorly written (i refuse to spend any more of my life reading shitty Dan Brown novels so i'm not gonna be reading The Da Vinci Code).
I'd have to go and get the book to give specific examples of what i consider to be bad writting (and again i'm not wasting any more of my life reading shitty Dan Brown novels).
I know the plot of The Da Vinci Code and obviously i know the plot of the two books of Brown's that i've read and it just seemed to be kinda "wouldn't it be cool if ..."
"Wouldn't it be cool if a plane that travelled so fast we could cross the Atlantic in half an hour* existed but nobody, except some scientists, knew about it."
"Wouldn't it be cool if i could fall from a helicopter from 2 miles up and because i landed in a river be totally OK and go to the hospital and check myself out within 5 minutes or so."
Now fair enough you write you should be imaginative but i don't like his books for the same reason i don't like James Bond movies. IT MIGHT ALL BE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN AND GAMES BUT I CANT SUSPEND MY LOGIC FACULTIES TO THE EXTENT EITHER THE BOND PRODUCERS OR DAN BROWN WISH ME TO!
Now James Bond might be entertaining but if someone tried to convince me that it was the pinacle of film making, that nothing else could compete, that the plot was excellent and so forth, i'd view them as rabidly insane as the person who told me that a Dan Brown novel was good.
*or whatever the **** it was
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I bought the book at a super market for 99p and the check out girl said 'it will change your life' so i think it might be quite thought provoking for someone who has never really thought about anything before, for someone a bit thick perhaps.
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I bought the book at a super market for 99p and the check out girl said 'it will change your life' so i think it might be quite thought provoking for someone who has never really thought about anything before, for someone a bit thick perhaps.
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The only way The Da Vinci Code will change your life is if the book is dropped from a great height onto your head.
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my favourite bit was the part where it took them almost a whole chapter to figure out that something was in mirror writing.
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By the way my James Bond analogy isn't quite right. James Bond has got high production values. I'm struggling to think of an example of a shitty plotted film with low production values (the production values being the on-screen equivalent to the standard of writing in Dan Brown novels). I know the films exist, i just can't think of any ;'(
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Re: the da vinci code
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By the way my James Bond analogy isn't quite right. James Bond has got high production values.
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If anything, that should make it worse - cheap movies with low budgets have an excuse for not being the pinnacle of filmmaking, high-budget movies should be held to higher standards because they have more to work with.
I don't rightly get why The Da Vinci Code is so heavily criticised. Thousands upon thousands of books are released every year, a large portion of which are going to be of worse quality than Dan Brown's work, but we don't have people going off about how those books aren't of Eco or Tolstoj quality and thus are crap. Much in the same way that we watch plenty of movies that aren't ground-breaking, thought-provoking or will go down in history as the most excellent visual production ever, people also might like to read a book that isn't some high pretentious form of prose now and then.
The Da Vinci Code to me simply is a whodunnit in a very interesting setting, with a relatively fast-paced story with an old rehashed 80's theory on the life of Jesus Christ. It's not some life-changing book, work of historical significance or example of highest-quality writing at it's best. But on the flipside, it's not utterly crap either, but quite enjoyable to pass the time while commuting on the train for a day or two or whatever. I'm not going to hate Dan Brown's books just because they are popular or because some people are going all nuts over it - they provide entertainment to me, which is what I care about when I pick up one of those books.
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22 May 2006, 23:26
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Re: the da vinci code
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I don't rightly get why The Da Vinci Code is so heavily criticised.
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It's like The Matrix Trilogy or FFVII; the people who like it tend not to shut up about it, and it gets an enormous amount of publicity, sales and promotions - it's not exactly any mediocre book, as if I go into the center of Cambridge and walk into a bookshop, I will be visually assaulted by it within 30 seconds.
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22 May 2006, 16:37
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: the da vinci code
Name a B-movie, Dace. It's not hard.
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22 May 2006, 17:57
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Bored
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Re: the da vinci code
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But by all means continue to argue about nothing. I am disappointed the film is crap because I quite like that Amelie bird who's in it and would welcome and excuse to see her perform.
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it's not crap, just like the book isn't crap.
it's an alright film, just like it's an alright book.
bits in it are good, just like the book.
etc
Although I got annoyed with the girls french accent
and yes, i know she's french.
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22 May 2006, 21:15
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mmm lambs
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Re: the da vinci code
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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue
I am disappointed the film is crap because I quite like that Amelie bird who's in it and would welcome and excuse to see her perform.
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I almost didn't go because of the comments here and elsewhere about it being so shit but it was actually quite enjoyable, even the music was quite good and just fitted well. Everyone I went with had a decent time so I wouldn't be put off seeing it if you enjoyed the book.
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