1up The Kingmakers

[furssie]

Originally Posted by Veil05

2 1up 109180 67 3.307.517 221.603.700
awesome tbh.

Idd.

A few more ticks to mine those remarkable roid lead, the 20+ million LCH lead is easy to catch :-)

[Stifler]

Originally Posted by Colt

Elysium in Rd10 did neither, yet they still "won"

Still angry about that? Get over it, we won

Also you say we did neither, yet we used politics to stop them going to Dragons and hence Dragons winning (Yes, Dragons did plan to take them but they didnt get them )

Jurgen had admitted that he had a plan for them to join Dragons ingame, and they were "using" Elysium to avoid EET fire. It just backfired on him

[Banned]

Originally Posted by furssie

Idd.

A few more ticks to mine those remarkable roid lead, the 20+ million LCH lead is easy to catch :-)

Assuming the lead is minable and there's some priority on them, 4k roids produce:

4000*280*24/100 = 268800 value per day.

LCH's current lead is 32 million score.

Assuming only scoregain through mining, it would take 119 days for 1up to catch LCH.

Of course, that's all academic. Ships and roids will inevitably be lost on both sides, as will roids and XP be gained on both sides. Considering 1up's higher average score LCH is actually at an advantage in that they have the opportunity to make some very nice XP gains. It will be fun to see how all this pans out, especially considering we've passed 1k ticks without any clear winner. In fact, I believe that all of the top 4 alliances are still in positions where they could run away with the round.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

If it was 1up/ND versus LCH, LCH would clearly loose.
However, LCH has enlisted some help.

They'd probably 'lose', in that 1up and/or ND would catch up with them, but it would be interesting to see if they'd lose their 35 million lead, or if they'd end up winning by just 10 mil, or just 5 mil, or whatever

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Everyone would hit the top alliane if they got any plans of winning or dreams.
And its also natrual for LCH to hit alliances like ND and 1up if they are 2nd and 3rd.

Ofc it's natural for LCH to hit ND/1up, just incase this got misinterpretted, NDers on this thread weren't complaining about being hit. I was making observations about other alliances, and would be even MORE accepting of LCH incs...

Originally Posted by Fyodor

Being that you are both hitting LCH, are you coordinating your attacks with each other?

From what I've heard, 1up have co-ordinated some attacks with us this round. But they have done so with many other alliances (It wasn't just ND and 1up that took down Mistu now, was it? Or knocked down LCH's 30k or something silly roid lead). As of now, I believe the majority of our attacks, if not all, are ND (Such as the roiding of the top 2 in the same tick. Pld BC! ). Then again, I don't pay much attention

[Lord_Thunderball]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

Even if 1up win, ND will be pleased we didn't help the round stagnate, like a lot of other alliances are doing by concentrating on ND/1up.

Not that ND/1up are allied/napped, we are, however, obviously, both hitting LCH.

I doubt any alliance was busy stagnating the round. If all go for LCH, it's almost obvious 1up or ND will win. Some alliances do not want to help in 1up or ND in the goal to be #1.. Oi, forget, 1up doesn't want #1, so only ND..

Something has changed over the week, if that wasn't been done, the only alliances singed up for the victory would have been 1up or ND. Alliances made a choice, and it's not over yet ofcource, but the alliances hitting 1up/ND now, made the choice to get 1up/nd. With bashing 1up/nd they might go up 1 rank on the alliance list, while bashing LCH, would only help 1up/nd in climbing a rank and never getting themself #1 (If the round continues for years, yes ofcource they can form a block vs 1up/nd, but round will be over before that ever works). Choices choices, but all these choices don't lead to stagnation imho.

[jerome]

Regardless of all talk on AD, you cannot deny that this round has definitely been closer than many of the recent rounds. Whatever happens from this point, 1up have performed their kingmakers role quite well, LCH have have performed admirably standing the some incoming much longer & fighting back better than others who have received some sort of incoming ie: MISTU, who chose to pursue personal 'revenges' once again. VGN have been wonderfully impressive in being able to totally hound a gal or two a night .. (heh) & HR/ND have done as expected to be strong contendors in the top5, performing well politically & strategically well, for their each aims. Angels are crawling up quite well too, ironically enough, alliances such as MISTU didn`t hit them during the time when they were all 72 ticks without alliances heh. That is somewhat puzzling for all alliances bar ones truly involved for the battle to hold the #1 place.

But now, you all enter the latter part of the round (assuming the round is around 1700 ticks again), where XP is actually more important now than ever, and more of your roidcost calculations will be based on xp gains rather than value loss only like before due to the pure focus on score now, where roids will scarce be free (unless your a big cath heh), where the round will more or less be decided. Your choice of targets on a personal & alliance level will determine a lot, your choice in having having a lot of fin centres rather than whoring distorters will finally pay off, those who xp-whored way too early (like myself, but hardly out of choice more out of the fact that I had nothing left other than xp :p) will crawl away as their value will be too little as they won`t have much fleet & roids to continue to xp-whore to gain ranks.

gl kids !

[General Martok]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

Even if 1up win, ND will be pleased we didn't help the round stagnate, like a lot of other alliances are doing by concentrating on ND/1up.

Not that ND/1up are allied/napped, we are, however, obviously, both hitting LCH.

Interesting.

Almost a week ago my gal had severe incomings, and we lost a lot of roids. Due my current minion status I have no access to any arbiters/intell DB, so I asked in galchannel what alliance had hit us. When I stated the incomings were probably 1UP, my ND galmate, who lost over 1k roids, said "No it was LCH, 1UP are not allowed to attack us"... Now you'd probably say he's lying, but somehow I feel the truth slipped out his mouth

[Mek]

Originally Posted by General Martok

Interesting.

Almost a week ago my gal had severe incomings, and we lost a lot of roids. Due my current minion status I have no access to any arbiters/intell DB, so I asked in galchannel what alliance had hit us. When I stated the incomings were probably 1UP, my ND galmate, who lost over 1k roids, said "No it was LCH, 1UP are not allowed to attack us"... Now you'd probably say he's lying, but somehow I feel the truth slipped out his mouth

lol...thats a fairly n00b mistake to make

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by General Martok

Interesting.

Almost a week ago my gal had severe incomings, and we lost a lot of roids. Due my current minion status I have no access to any arbiters/intell DB, so I asked in galchannel what alliance had hit us. When I stated the incomings were probably 1UP, my ND galmate, who lost over 1k roids, said "No it was LCH, 1UP are not allowed to attack us"... Now you'd probably say he's lying, but somehow I feel the truth slipped out his mouth

And which ND HC is in your gal again?

[mazzelaar]

Let me ask you something.....

If I were to launch a fleet on a big planet that had no hope of getting through but only served to keep the big planets fleet home whilst my ND friends roided his gal mates with the same class of incoming - would that be wrong? Would you consider us "coordinating"? Would you be on here flaming that we're "wtfpwnedNAPPED!!!!111"?

Serious question.

[Legator]

Originally Posted by General Martok

Interesting.

Almost a week ago my gal had severe incomings, and we lost a lot of roids. Due my current minion status I have no access to any arbiters/intell DB, so I asked in galchannel what alliance had hit us. When I stated the incomings were probably 1UP, my ND galmate, who lost over 1k roids, said "No it was LCH, 1UP are not allowed to attack us"... Now you'd probably say he's lying, but somehow I feel the truth slipped out his mouth

this best propaganda like in earlier days

fun getting back on ad

[Mek]

so its all fun when u accuse HR of napping LCH yet when yourselves are accused of this (napping ND) you dont seem to find it quite so amusing...amusing how AD works

[Colt]

Ofcourse they won't find it as amusing when the tables have turned

PS: not saying they dont find it amusing anyway..

[furssie]

Go ND... Be the King.

80 more roids to go and you'll be the 2nd best average roids

I would love to see a 1 and 2 for 1up/ND.

[demiGOD]

Originally Posted by _ryzekiel_

Played you, making a gimmick account to post a clueless post of promoting LCH, case is that your either LCH or an anti-1up guy, if non-LCH then, your probably some newb who gave up too easy and doesn`t realise LCH are still 30mil+ ahead, If your LCH, then your a moron who doesn`t understand that LCH have got and been having the better hand for a while now. You were wrong on so many occasions in your pathetic flamebait, shame the fact that your lack of balls displayed via using a gimmick account doesn`t deserve a reply with proper argumentation with us dismantling your poorly gathered "facts".

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Actually it's subjectively tautological in the sense that from barrow's perspective the essential qualification for deserving to win the round is in fact the act of winning the round itself. I'm sure even then he has other qualifications though, such as <insertalliance> not killing everyone else who has a planet in the game and winning the round that way. Or you could still say that while they deserve to win their actions are still not commendable.

-dude.. u guys sound like that guy from the matrix.. hats off!!! intelligent arguments like these keep the interesting kaleidoscope of the ever-fascinating game of planetarion!

[rnd|One]

Originally Posted by Colt

Elysium in Rd10 did neither, yet they still "won"

Don't be mad about losing, get even or die trying.

Oh, wait.

[Lord_Thunderball]

1up got to crown an alliance.... If it's not ND, which one is it? Or just the random one that wins?

1up tried there best to get interesting fight. So did LCH and more alliances. The one who wins, is the King and Kingmaker. The ones who lost played an interesting round, that's all.... If there where big agreements going on, and f.e. ND won, due 1up's help, yes you could call 1up kingmakers.. But he, nothing going on like that, so what the hell i'm typing?

[Frisky]

crap? as usual?

[General Martok]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

And which ND HC is in your gal again?

None, as you undoubtly know. If I'd give more hints I could just as well put my coords in my sig, I'll pass on that for a while

edit:
Ofcourse I asked our own BCs if the attackers were indeed LCH, which they confirmed. And since I believe that galmate was honest, and not corrected by 2 other ND galmates who were active on the galchannel at that moment, that leaves 3 possibilities:
1) ND HC lies against it's own members about the bounds it has.
2) All 3 my galmembers mysteriously misunderstood.
3) There ARE certain ties, eg a NAP, between ND and 1UP

BTW, on that same attack an LCH dude robbed a HR member in my gal of over 800 roids......

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Let me ask you something.....

If I were to launch a fleet on a big planet that had no hope of getting through but only served to keep the big planets fleet home whilst my ND friends roided his gal mates with the same class of incoming - would that be wrong? Would you consider us "coordinating"? Would you be on here flaming that we're "wtfpwnedNAPPED!!!!111"?

Serious question.

Depends on the scale I'd say. If some ND guys go on an unoffical attack, and you decide to tag along to cover the big planet in that gal, I'd call that a friends service.

However if it's an attack organised by ND BC's for ND members, an 1UP member participating could mean that ND isn't that strict on forbidding attack participation for non-members, and are just glad that big planet is covered. Leaves the question what ND member leaked the attack to you, 1UP, though This isn't very likely, but I leave you to draw your own conclusions. I bet they differ from mine

[PIMPEH]

Originally Posted by Veil05

2 1up 109180 67 3.307.517 221.603.700
awesome tbh.

I do not agree.

[Veil05]

Originally Posted by General Martok

Interesting.

Almost a week ago my gal had severe incomings, and we lost a lot of roids. Due my current minion status I have no access to any arbiters/intell DB, so I asked in galchannel what alliance had hit us. When I stated the incomings were probably 1UP, my ND galmate, who lost over 1k roids, said "No it was LCH, 1UP are not allowed to attack us"... Now you'd probably say he's lying, but somehow I feel the truth slipped out his mouth

no offence, but 1ups attitude has always been "we dont need anyones help". why go back on it on a round they had no intension of winning?

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Veil05

no offence, but 1ups attitude has always been "we dont need anyones help". why go back on it on a round they had no intension of winning?

Actually; I had to send def to a 1up galmate last round.

OMG 1UP ARE POWERBLOCKING WITH THEIR GALMATES!!1111 KILL THEM LYING SCUMBAGS!111

Perhaps.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by General Martok

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3) There ARE certain ties, eg a NAP, between ND and 1UP

ND and 1up target the same alliances - I think that's fairly obvious by now.

So why would they attack each other as at the current time, when that would be counterproductive?

Funnily enough no one batters an eyelid at the LCH/VsN block, but it's obvious that it exists to me.

It's an ace argument when you ask alliances to defy logic, and indeed gloss over any other similar actions by other alliances. Personally I don't give a toss who's doing what with who - things is the way it is, end of - better have some kind of politics than none.

Infact, as you have a certain point of view I'll suggest a proposition to you. Some alliances in this game want to win to be successful. Others just want to stop others from winning. You tell me who are the more pathetic bunch.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by lokken

Some alliances in this game want to win to be successful. Others just want to stop others from winning. You tell me who are the more pathetic bunch.

So the alliances who want to win are pathetic? I dont understand this logic. Please explain your "proposition"

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

So the alliances who want to win are pathetic? I dont understand this logic. Please explain your "proposition"

No, the opposite.

[Eol]

Originally Posted by lokken

ND and 1up target the same alliances - I think that's fairly obvious by now.

So why would they attack each other as at the current time, when that would be counterproductive?

Funnily enough no one batters an eyelid at the LCH/VsN block, but it's obvious that it exists to me.

It's an ace argument when you ask alliances to defy logic, and indeed gloss over any other similar actions by other alliances. Personally I don't give a toss who's doing what with who - things is the way it is, end of - better have some kind of politics than none.

Well, speaking personally, what irks me is that people deny it (and deny it so many times), asking for proof and whatnot. I don't personally bat an eye at the ND/1up cooperation, it's no better or worse than any other alliances. But the repeated denials are just so annoying. It makes me think of FAnG, and when I think of FAnG I get struck by nausea.

[Barrow|Pony]

Funny how that works.

I just needed to point out that Fyodor picked the blatantly wrong option out of the two that Lok presented - and I would expect nothing less from a Yankees fan.

[Fyodor]

Something is terribly wrong with me today. Ive been reading things and thinking they mean something 100% the opposite of what they really mean. This is the 5th time ive done it.....

Im glad to hear you are a yankee fan too ;-)

[furssie]

Originally Posted by Gate

I genuinely think LCH v. ND/1up would be a close run thing, though I'd still expect LCH to win.

Oh my.

[Barrow|Pony]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

Something is terribly wrong with me today. Ive been reading things and thinking they mean something 100% the opposite of what they really mean. This is the 5th time ive done it.....

Im glad to hear you are a yankee fan too ;-)

Take that back. Take it back THIS INSTANT.

I support two organizations throughout my years, one is the NewDawn Planetarion Alliance, the other is the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox.

Take it back now.

[Fyodor]

Yeah, I dont like the sox either. It so nice to find another yankee fan in PA. ARe you a jeter fan or do you lean more toward arod?

[Barrow|Pony]

BLASPHEMOUS!

I shall never be associated with the powers of darkness!


(this is on topic, right?)

[Fyodor]

Its a good analogy?

Yankees (bunch of superstars)= who?
Red Sox (bunch of gritty guys with a few superstars)= who?

[BloodyButcher]

LCH is in a far lead, they got 23 members more than 1up, and that gives em a big advantage.
It would only be stupid not to target them, cus they are winning this shit :S

[demiGOD]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

Its a good analogy?

Yankees (bunch of superstars)= who?
Red Sox (bunch of gritty guys with a few superstars)= who?

-i was praying to all the gods of the world for the red sox' plane to crash on their way to st. louis.. now i'm just starting to realize how mean that train of thought was... although the 90's was the best time of my life with the 90's music and all, and the yankees winning pennants and world series' all throughout, and that classic sweep of the pathetic piazza and his mets in the 2000 world series.. it broke my heart back in 2001 when they lost to the diamondbacks, 2002 was like "why the goddamn angels?!?!?" then, i literally broke into tears when they lost to the marlins last year... last ALCS, i actually thought of jumping over the delaware memorial, driving back home, still with tears welling in my eyes when they lost to the red sox... these are dark times.. they should overhaul their pitching staff.. keep mike mussina, vazquez, mariano rivera and hernandez in there.. get rid of loaiza, kevin brown, el duque and their pitching coach, acquire either johnson or pedro martinez.. keep posada and everybody else.. and they should be fine next season cant wait!!

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by General Martok

Depends on the scale I'd say. If some ND guys go on an unoffical attack, and you decide to tag along to cover the big planet in that gal, I'd call that a friends service.

However if it's an attack organised by ND BC's for ND members, an 1UP member participating could mean that ND isn't that strict on forbidding attack participation for non-members, and are just glad that big planet is covered. Leaves the question what ND member leaked the attack to you, 1UP, though This isn't very likely, but I leave you to draw your own conclusions. I bet they differ from mine

What if I said it was VGN HC and some of LCH's bigger players?

[Razorback]

General Martok there might be the unrealistic case that somone set up this attack and found out 1 planet wasnt covered for whatever reasons. Now short before launch one of the participants says "i got a galm8 or old m8 who is without a tgt he might be interested" and here we go.

Ive seen alot of times in the past raids getting filled in the end with m8s or galm8s particularly if biggals were hit or if someone was under attack and couldnt make it to launch as his fleet was required at home.

[Lord_Thunderball]

Again.. If you act as kingmakers, there got to be a king. That it is ND who is the King in this story was obvious from tick 1. Don't sell other crap, that it's only cause you want to attack LCH and therefore not attack ND. It's not bad both targetting LCH, but the constant denial of the cooperation is getting a bit pathetic now.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Lord_Thunderball

Again.. If you act as kingmakers, there got to be a king. That it is ND who is the King in this story was obvious from tick 1. Don't sell other crap, that it's only cause you want to attack LCH and therefore not attack ND. It's not bad both targetting LCH, but the constant denial of the cooperation is getting a bit pathetic now.

There is no denial of co-operation. We are attacking LCH. We are however, not kings. Not napped, not allied, and certainly not kings from tick 1.

[Gio2k]

so 1up and ND are hitting LCH. 1up was from the start going to hit LCH, what i despise is how ND pretend to win this round. They have got their roids by attacking the same targets as 1up. When 1up was targetting Mistu, ND was targetting them too. When 1up decides to target LCH, ND follows.
If there was an alliance that i would love to stop from becoming #1, it would be ND.

[Barrow|Pony]

What a complete crock of shit.

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

so 1up and ND are hitting LCH. 1up was from the start going to hit LCH, what i despise is how ND pretend to win this round. They have got their roids by attacking the same targets as 1up. When 1up was targetting Mistu, ND was targetting them too. When 1up decides to target LCH, ND follows.
If there was an alliance that i would love to stop from becoming #1, it would be ND.

Get a clue tnx ta.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

so 1up and ND are hitting LCH. 1up was from the start going to hit LCH, what i despise is how ND pretend to win this round. They have got their roids by attacking the same targets as 1up. When 1up was targetting Mistu, ND was targetting them too. When 1up decides to target LCH, ND follows.
If there was an alliance that i would love to stop from becoming #1, it would be ND.

From the attacks ive seen this round (givin i havent seen anything more than mistu/lch incoming) gio's statement is very accurate. Which is why I believe 1up and ND attack together. If it simply "targeting" the same alliances, I say tomato.....

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Gate

Actually; I had to send def to a 1up galmate last round.

OMG 1UP ARE POWERBLOCKING WITH THEIR GALMATES!!1111 KILL THEM LYING SCUMBAGS!111

Perhaps.

Gate in serious powerblocking scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

so 1up and ND are hitting LCH. 1up was from the start going to hit LCH, what i despise is how ND pretend to win this round. They have got their roids by attacking the same targets as 1up. When 1up was targetting Mistu, ND was targetting them too. When 1up decides to target LCH, ND follows.
If there was an alliance that i would love to stop from becoming #1, it would be ND.

So when LCH was enganged against 1up, and ND and HR battled it out, was ND still just following 1up???

Is this the best LCH PR squad can do? Seriously, you guys suck more than Fury PR squad.

[Gate]

I'd also like to point out one or two things... from my viewpoint.

Earlier in the round, ND were exchaning hits with HR. LCH were running away with the round, 1up pegged them back, MISTU piggied both sides of teh LCH/1up war. During this time, ND/HR were still trading blows.

By this point, MISTU were 10k roids ahead of LCH and with no concerted hits on them from any ally: ND/HR and LCH/1up were hitting each other, VsN still hadn't seemed to have got their act together (And wouldn't have hit anyway with the MVV block and whatnot). Therefore 1up turned on MISTU, afaik with support from several other alliances, and ND joined in with this.

The ND/HR war had died down by this time and didn't really resume after Mistu had suffered badly (16.8k roids taken), there was a slight lull, but LCH were looking to run away with the round, with an insane lead. Some 30k roids or so, and still over 30 mil in score. ND/1up both hitting LCH makes sense to me.

[rnd|One]

Whom here _honestly_ thinks LCH will win this round? I'll take names down and see whom know their PA end of round.

[Cocteau]

Its been a long time since an alliance wins 2 rounds in a row .

There's nothing wrong if 1up suddenly decides to win. Only alliance that will win 2 straight for being solo.

[mist]

i honestly think LCH *could* win the round, depending on politics. however i don't think it's predictable at this stage

-mist

[Lei~]

SiN for round victory \o/
no but honestly io think 1up can do it unless some other ally will pull their diplo team together enuff to at least disturb sids policies...
cos at moment we simlpy get played in my opinion