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Unread 20 Oct 2009, 15:07   #1
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How exactly are new multihunters picked?

It has come to my attention that remy's retirement from the multihunting team has led to new members joining. These members are butter and judge apparently. Now I have no problem with butter, don't even know the guy to be honest! Judge on the other hand happened to call someone a "turd eating lith piece of trash" ingame towards the end of last round. This is the guy we're expected to respect as a fair and impartial adjudicator of what breaks the rules as regards abuse and/or racism? I mean, I'm perfectly aware that the multihunting team is actually just a collection of a few guys with enough time on their hands to attempt to eviscerate all the fun out of a game played by a thousand people online but surely this is taking it too far? I mean, can we at least wait a round or two to appoint judge as a multihunter? Maybe until he manages to avoid abusing someone based on their ethnicity ingame for a few months? Just a suggestion!
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

You're a turd eating lith piece of a trash.
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butter is a girl FYI!
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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It has come to my attention that remy's retirement from the multihunting team has led to new members joining. These members are butter and judge apparently. Now I have no problem with butter, don't even know the guy to be honest! Judge on the other hand happened to call someone a "turd eating lith piece of trash" ingame towards the end of last round. This is the guy we're expected to respect as a fair and impartial adjudicator of what breaks the rules as regards abuse and/or racism? I mean, I'm perfectly aware that the multihunting team is actually just a collection of a few guys with enough time on their hands to attempt to eviscerate all the fun out of a game played by a thousand people online but surely this is taking it too far? I mean, can we at least wait a round or two to appoint judge as a multihunter? Maybe until he manages to avoid abusing someone based on their ethnicity ingame for a few months? Just a suggestion!
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It has come to my attention that remy's retirement from the multihunting team has led to new members joining. These members are butter and judge apparently.
Small correction: my resignation did't lead to them being added. Me and Ace recruited them, and then i could safely go away, without being afraid of the MH staff being undermanned.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

"Undermanned" as in size or quality?

Because I don't know either of the two guys, but if what JBG said is right, then you should have been more careful in the process. And god forbid we get a load of bad multihunters.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

fyi butter is the new fiery. only older, even less fit and wanting to be a 'mother figure'.
Also she has always been Elysium.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

Just another example of how neutral he is.

#[16:46:40] <Tekno> like mrs and mr smith
#[16:46:51] <+Judge> if you really care about your planet, then i suggest you stop associating with people like CarDi
#[16:47:03] <+Judge> he is nothing but trouble

Well jeez, that's about as neutral as Hitler was in WW2.
Also if there is just 1 mh leaving, why are 2 needed to replace him. Do as suggested by JBG. add 1 now, Judge a few rounds later when he learned not to have hard feelings towards ppl playing this game.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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Game over man, game over. The ND take over of multihunters continues unabated by the racial slurs and general uselessness of them
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I was in ND for 1 round, and to my knowledge butter never has been.


But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story eh ?
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I was in ND for 1 round, and to my knowledge butter never has been.


But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story eh ?
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

If procedures haven't changed since the few days I left, any new Multihunter-to-be is trainee/trialist/powerless for at least one full round.

If any of the new MH's don't succeed, i'm sure they will be kindly removed from their position.
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If any of the new MH's don't succeed, i'm sure they will be kindly removed from their position.
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Small correction: my resignation did't lead to them being added. Me and Ace recruited them, and then i could safely go away, without being afraid of the MH staff being undermanned.
Different process, same outcome. You were perhaps(?) less than objective in your recruitment standards in order to be able to retire. It's perfectly natural, I'd experience the same issue.
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Different process, same outcome. You were perhaps(?) less than objective in your recruitment standards in order to be able to retire. It's perfectly natural, I'd experience the same issue.
To be honest other issues, related to my Real Life (yes, it exists!), were the reason for my quitting MH.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

So can i call my fleet 1 "turd eating lith piece of trash" without fear of being warned/closed in r34 ? Can I replace "lith" by "paki" for my fleet 2 and use "jew" for my fleet 3 ?
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So can i call my fleet 1 "turd eating lith piece of trash" without fear of being warned/closed in r34 ? Can I replace "lith" by "paki" for my fleet 2 and use "jew" for my fleet 3 ?
Fleet 1 will be allowed since Judge hates cardi and prolly liths in general. Fleet 2 ain't allowed ofc. Fleet 3 should be allowed since its a total must to make fun of them. NOT because they are bad people... but because... no wait they are bad ;D
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This is completely true, ND is in full control of the multihunters, not to mention PA team.
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I like how despite the fact judge has responded on this thread to a completely irrelevant point and the multihunters have all read it nobody has managed to actually say anything meaningful in relation to the initial point
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I like how despite the fact judge has responded on this thread to a completely irrelevant point and the multihunters have all read it nobody has managed to actually say anything meaningful in relation to the initial point
Which is true for most threads on this useless forum
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Which is true for most threads on this useless forum
Most threads don't involve a usefull question related to the MH team.
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Which is true for most threads on this useless forum
That's the spirit. Let's talk about PD, the general problems forums in declining internet communities are subject to and the specific problems relating to forums in declining internet communities which never receive any input from those in charge. That way maybe people will forget what we were talking about!
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I believe Judge is one of those people that lurk in #support all the time – which is fairly easy to join up to and seems a natural recruiting ground for the MH team. Yes, Judge is a passionate guy and appears to be slightly biased against Cardi's Lithuanian group - however they do have a track record of misdemeanours against the rules of PA so maybe this stance is only natural for those enforcing the rules so commonly broken. While I find Judge hard on a personal level to get on with - I have no doubts as to his integrity and having been a part of the #support group seems a natural choice.
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I believe Judge is one of those people that lurk in #support all the time – which is fairly easy to join up to and seems a natural recruiting ground for the MH team. Yes, Judge is a passionate guy and appears to be slightly biased against Cardi's Lithuanian group - however they do have a track record of misdemeanours against the rules of PA so maybe this stance is only natural for those enforcing the rules so commonly broken. While I find Judge hard on a personal level to get on with - I have no doubts as to his integrity and having been a part of the #support group seems a natural choice.
Nobody questioned his integrity or anything of that sort. Thomas Jefferson was no doubt a man of integrity but he was still a racist and I wouldn't want him enforcing regulations today concerning what abuse or discrimination consist of.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

I'd even appreciate a "we don't view this as a problem" or even a "we think you're making this up" rather than just ignoring the problem and hoping desperately it'll go away.
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Did you actually expect any from of feedback?
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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No, they do not care. No, they do not think it is a problem.

Frankly, in a game where the person/galaxy/ally which finds the cheapest way to stack the odds against other players wins, and clear cut cheating is difficult, if not semi-impossible to establish (but for those that are watched for any infraction from pre-ticks), I'm surprised there is actually an issue of who polices the game.

As for Judge, why not consider the opposite? If you see (after his initial "powerless" round, ofc) an increase in the deletion/reprimanding of those considered a "turd eating lith piece of trash", then get an awe-inspiring show of support and get him removed.
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hmmm...
Just an analogy ...
So you're saying ... put a drunk on a brewery. If he gets drunk all the time, blame and sue him? Wouldn't it be wise to put him on a bakery first? Than if he proves to be trusted, put him on the brewery?
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Nah, I'm saying the admins don't care atm, so why should we? (Since we're less powerful individually.)

Also, I'm saying that this (like every other "controversy") will die down and no one will care by next round unless Judge is flagrantly and abusively offensive (and possibly not then either).
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[19:30:52] <Cain> Ace?
[19:31:09] <+Ace> yes
[19:31:42] <Cain> as head MH
[19:32:00] <Cain> can you (for the love of jezus) reply on the forums
[19:32:20] <+Ace> like I told a few others too
[19:32:35] <+Ace> no matter what i put there it will be mocked
[19:32:43] <Cain> doesnt matter
[19:32:48] <Cain> saying nothing is worse
[19:33:04] <+Ace> I dont agree
[19:33:21] <+Ace> ppl added as trainee dont mean thay are full MHs
[19:33:33] <Cain> ok
[19:35:08] <+Ace> if trainees dont follow the rules or are found to be good (EDIT !BAD!) for the team they will be removed
[19:35:17] <+Ace> as what happens to all trainees

Meaning Judge can't close people, he can only observe and check his cases with Ace before action is taken. Problem solved people, shows over, don't leave the popcorn behind on your way out!
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Because we'll potentially be judged by a blatant racist?
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[19:32:00] <Cain> can you (for the love of jezus) reply on the forums
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[19:32:35] <+Ace> no matter what i put there it will be mocked
[19:32:43] <Cain> doesnt matter
[19:32:48] <Cain> saying nothing is worse
[19:33:04] <+Ace> I dont agree
[19:33:21] <+Ace> ppl added as trainee dont mean thay are full MHs
[19:33:33] <Cain> ok
[19:35:08] <+Ace> if trainees dont follow the rules or are found to be good (EDIT !BAD!) for the team they will be removed
[19:35:17] <+Ace> as what happens to all trainees

Meaning Judge can't close people, he can only observe and check his cases with Ace before action is taken. Problem solved people, shows over, don't leave the popcorn behind on your way out!
It really doesnt matter if he cant close people yet. Its easy to be responsible when you have no responsibilitys.

I'd be interested to know how many MH trainees have not progressed to full MH's for reasons other than not being active enough...
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A point to JBG ... if we had a dollar for every time someone has ranted or lost their temper and said something dumb, we could have paid the national debt of lithuania !

To take one incident out of context, and remember its original setting was around Cardi, whose repuation preceeds him by many miles, is himself a self confessed racist and possibly the holder of the banned from most places badge, would be extremely wrong. Cardi does test peoples patience.

Judges performance whilst being on the support team was good, and whilst you do have to tow the line while being a support crew member and hold back opinions somewhat, you are not bound by the NDA but by your own intgrity, Judge and Butter if taken on after the trial will have a strict set of guidelines by which they must conduct themselves as official representatives of the game, both their patience and self control will be tested to infinity as no-one thats ever been contacted or closed goes into that channel in a happy frame of mind.

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If they pass this test, then they deserve their placement . It is a test after all, not a placement already.
Hey wait, I always thought a trial period was to see if someone actually has exactly those abilities? Why are those being tested *after* the trial?
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Judge and Butter if taken on after the trial will have a strict set of guidelines by which they must conduct themselves as official representatives of the game, both their patience and self control will be tested to infinity as no-one thats ever been contacted or closed goes into that channel in a happy frame of mind.

If they pass this test, then they deserve their placement . It is a test after all, not a placement already.
This sounds more like an invite for cardi to test them out...
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A point to JBG ... if we had a dollar for every time someone has ranted or lost their temper and said something dumb, we could have paid the national debt of lithuania !

To take one incident out of context, and remember its original setting was around Cardi, whose repuation preceeds him by many miles, is himself a self confessed racist and possibly the holder of the banned from most places badge, would be extremely wrong. Cardi does test peoples patience.
I'm genuinely laughing at this. Do you have any idea what you're saying? It's okay to be racist towards people if they deserve it guys! It's not about cardi, who gives a shit about what he does or says, it's about holding racist opinions.

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I thought judge's performance while being on the support team veered between mediocre and abject but that's neither here nor there. The point is whether the best we can ask for as players of the game is to have people responsible for that sort of hate-filled drivel to not only be punished for what they said (I'm sure this had nothing to do with who he was and if I'd said something along those lines it'd have been fine as well!) but actually get moved into a position with more responsibility. I'm perfectly aware the multihunting team is probably as much of a mutual back-slapping club of total fanboys as ascendancy but at least we weren't in ****ing charge of anything.

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He failed it before it even started. You think the fact he may be able to hide his racist opinions for a while will make it all okay?
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

How is 'turd eating lith piece of trash' racist?

You could say he might be biased against certain players, or isnt able to keep his cool and be civil, but what does race have to do with it?
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You could say he might be biased against certain players, or isnt able to keep his cool and be civil, but what does race have to do with it?
Given that there is a lithuanian ethnic group, given that the definition of racism includes prejudice against any ethnic group due to the irrationality of attempting to operate off outdated definitions of racism and given the nature of an insult, "turd eating black piece of trash" etc, it's obviously racist. The idea that there needs to be the use of the word "stupid ni g g er" or "****ing jew" for something to be racist is part of what makes a large part of the current understanding of what constitutes racism so flawed.

Nonetheless if the best we can hope to say is 'judge isn't racist he's just horribly prejudiced against lithuanians' I'm not really sure we're going down a productive path.
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Im still failing to see how Judge, even if he was racist.. could screw up a 'trial' where he has no responsibility. I'm also wondering why he was selected after saying such things in the previous round... i guess it is just a club for MH. Be support for 1 round or two, then ask to become a MH.

I'm also wondering why the original question still hasnt been answered.. what does it take to become a MH? one round of answering a question a day in #support (note: nothing else, no writing any guides, no real guidence to new players.. just idle in a channel. Yes im completly biased against the support team, as i dont understand what they do.. They answer on average one question per day, yet the stragegy forum is void of any advice or any guides, the PA new player guide is a version written for 10 rounds ago, in short.. they do absolutly nothing).

I also find it curious that MH say "he wont pass the test if he's racist or prejudist", yet the round before he was saying stuff hatfull things? surely he shouldnt of been picked due to his previous record... we all know Judge will make full MH as long as he stays active, regardless of anything hes done in the past or will do.
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Given that there is a lithuanian ethnic group, given that the definition of racism includes prejudice against any ethnic group due to the irrationality of attempting to operate off outdated definitions of racism and given the nature of an insult, "turd eating black piece of trash" etc, it's obviously racist. The idea that there needs to be the use of the word "stupid ni g g er" or "****ing jew" for something to be racist is part of what makes a large part of the current understanding of what constitutes racism so flawed.

Nonetheless if the best we can hope to say is 'judge isn't racist he's just horribly prejudiced against lithuanians' I'm not really sure we're going down a productive path.

Ethnic - pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

Which makes us all part of an ethnic group - i'm from essex and female - does that make essex girl jokes racist jokes ?

Lithuanians in planetarion do have a bad rep and not just because of cardi's vociferous views.
I'm quite sure that there are some really nice law abiding tow the line ones, we just havent met them yet and it clouds judgement, which is not racism, its being human!
My point is that we are all capable of saying things in the heat of the moment that we regret uttering, it does not make us bad people, it does not necessarily make us racist, it makes us what we are - slightly flawed human beings. Capable of strong emotions which we cannot allways control.
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Which makes us all part of an ethnic group - i'm from essex and female - does that make essex girl jokes racist jokes ?
Yes, it does. I'm not sure why that should be hard to grasp. It also doesn't stop them being funny. Or you proving a stereotype.

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Except that people in jobs have to control their emotions, or they wont keep them. He's proved during his time in 'support' that he can't do this - how on earth could that make him a worthy candidate for a job where discrimination might actually affect his work?
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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How is 'turd eating lith piece of trash' racist?

You could say he might be biased against certain players, or isnt able to keep his cool and be civil, but what does race have to do with it?
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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Ethnic - pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

Which makes us all part of an ethnic group - i'm from essex and female - does that make essex girl jokes racist jokes ?
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Lithuanians in planetarion do have a bad rep and not just because of cardi's vociferous views.
I'm quite sure that there are some really nice law abiding tow the line ones, we just havent met them yet and it clouds judgement, which is not racism, its being human!
I doubt you know any lithuanians to be honest. You've probably just heard a few things, know of LDK and formed an opinion based on virtually nothing.

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My point is that we are all capable of saying things in the heat of the moment that we regret uttering, it does not make us bad people, it does not necessarily make us racist, it makes us what we are - slightly flawed human beings. Capable of strong emotions which we cannot allways control.
Obviously I'm not claiming judge is going to start a concentration camp for lithuanians here. The point is that appointing someone who so clearly can't even keep his temper under control and holds those types of opinions is a dreadful idea.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

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My point is that we are all capable of saying things in the heat of the moment that we regret uttering, it does not make us bad people, it does not necessarily make us racist, it makes us what we are - slightly flawed human beings.
If I call you a "f**ing moron" in the heat of the moment, you are quite right, that does not make me racist.

For me to be racist, I would have to call you a "f**king $ETHNICITY / $NATIONALITY moron".
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

There's a misunderstanding here.

Saying that a person is (for example) English is a statement.
Saying that a person is (for example) a bastard is an insult.
Saying that a person is an English bastard is a statement *and* an insult.
Saying that all English people are bastards is a racist statement.
Discriminating against a person because they are English is racism.
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Re: How exactly are new multihunters picked?

so if i call someone a black twat its a statement and an insult and not racism?
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