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Unread 13 Jul 2015, 16:42   #301
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you were told before your waves landed that this would be the case,
I wasnt complaining, but it is a bit much for ult to claim that Asc let BF win when clearly that responsibility lies as much with Ults own choices. Equally, because it was so obvious that the result of a focus on Asc would be a BF victory at the time there was good reason to take those words with a pinch of salt.
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Re: Second half of the round

Ascendancy have no need to justify anything and that's all there is to it.
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Re: Second half of the round

Londo do you realy think Ult bothered to be bashed no more? Basicly its been ult vs the rest 90% of the round.
BF might win, but Ult will always have the morale victory in rounds like this.
BF had better politics, Ult the superior alliance
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Londo do you realy think Ult bothered to be bashed no more? Basicly its been ult vs the rest 90% of the round.
BF might win, but Ult will always have the morale victory in rounds like this.
BF had better politics, Ult the superior alliance
I was talking about the point before they stopped caring and started crashing, two weeks ago now. Ult could have played the Asc intervention a lot better than they did. Asc was riven with internal dissension over attacking Ult. Ult could have sat back while it had its minions and sympathizers (rogues, ND, HR) hit Asc. Had it done so the Asc would still have been dragged down (more slowly) while BF would have also been held back.
Asc never really attacked Ult apart from the first day so there would essentially have been two separate wars BF/CT vs Ult would have continued as it had been going, ie stalemate. While Asc vs the victims of its bashing would have damaged Asc. Ult would then have been able to either wear BF down or if it could not then try turn Asc to its side (as indeed happened after six days).

And never would I deny that Ult was the superior alliance, though the 5 or so alliances they assembled to take down Asc suggests it was not actually Ult vs 90% of the universe. Anti-ult was no doubt a majority, but not quite so great.
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on behalf of Ministry and Ascendancy HC, I hereby state that, although things planned out differently, we played a pretty decent round. Our effort/result ratio has been acceptable.

We still hate crashers though. HATE.

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Londo do you realy think Ult bothered to be bashed no more? Basicly its been ult vs the rest 90% of the round.
BF might win, but Ult will always have the morale victory in rounds like this.
BF had better politics, Ult the superior alliance
Vs the rest? It was mainly BF/CT fighting them with Bows chipping in every now and then.

Ult gave up too easily and let emotions dictate their actions. If they hadn't of emo-crashed on Asc, they would probably still be in the running now.
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Re: Second half of the round

#ascdrama #wedowantwewant #backstabbers

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Re: Second half of the round

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on behalf of Ministry and Ascendancy HC, I hereby state that, although things planned out differently, we played a pretty decent round. Our effort/result ratio has been acceptable.

We still hate crashers though. HATE.
why the need of posting this then? when any alliance play like u pointed asc did, no1 have to come here and say it. entire universe just understand they did it.

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Unless you're Faceless whose sole intention is to flak for Raul. Fencesitting like a baus.
As vuLgAr said, nobody is unroidable . It only took 6 allies and 280 hostile fleets in 1 night to achieve it .
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As vuLgAr said, nobody is unroidable . It only took 6 allies and 280 hostile fleets in 1 night to achieve it .
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I do like the over exaggeration on the forums.
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I do like the over exaggeration on the forums.
Please enlighten us with the 'over exaggeration' you are referring to?
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I do like the over exaggeration on the forums.
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Please enlighten us with the 'over exaggeration' you are referring to?
For starters, Raul wasn't hit by 6 tags. CT did a wave and BF/Asc did a few combined waves.
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For starters, Raul wasn't hit by 6 tags. CT did a wave and BF/Asc did a few combined waves.
Alright mister Nitpicker, I guess my previous comment was to hard to for you to understand:

Faceless was hit by 6 tags (280 hostile fleets), which made it possible for you to roid Raul. Actually it was 8 tags, but i guess we cant count the lonely p3n, and some astray ND incs.
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Alright mister Nitpicker, I guess my previous comment was to hard to for you to understand:

Faceless was hit by 6 tags (280 hostile fleets), which made it possible for you to roid Raul. Actually it was 8 tags, but i guess we cant count the lonely p3n, and some astray ND incs.
Well if there's one thing that ascendancy, conspiracy, black flag and ultras will ever agree on its this post.
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Re: Second half of the round

Whoever wins in this game, wins because it was worthy. The path doesn't matter. The moral trophies, achievements where the path does matter, have some impact in the game during one or two rounds but then are easily forgotten.
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not every winner is worthy. #truthbomb
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Have to agree with Blue Esper.

You know this round is a mindf*ck when I've agreed more with Ultores than not.
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Alright mister Nitpicker, I guess my previous comment was to hard to for you to understand:

Faceless was hit by 6 tags (280 hostile fleets), which made it possible for you to roid Raul. Actually it was 8 tags, but i guess we cant count the lonely p3n, and some astray ND incs.
Hahahahahaha. Is that from tick 0?
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Hahahahahaha. Is that from tick 0?
Hahahaha, no this was last night only:

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It is missing some fleets, and i checked 1 or 2 ticks after the Climax .
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Re: Second half of the round

It's not actually a big deal though, is it? I mean a significant block is capable of sending 300+ fleets at a target if it's feeling motivated, and we've had block wars all round. Most rounds, even. One night of that to knock Raul off #1 isn't exactly a massive overreaction to FL fencing the round away.
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It's not actually a big deal though, is it? I mean a significant block is capable of sending 300+ fleets at a target if it's feeling motivated, and we've had block wars all round. Most rounds, even. One night of that to knock Raul off #1 isn't exactly a massive overreaction to FL fencing the round away.
No it isnt a big deal at all, totally understandable if you ask me . I was just responding to some false accusations.
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Hahahaha, no this was last night only:

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It is missing some fleets, and i checked 1 or 2 ticks after the Climax .
Nothing special tbh. Multiple alliances had these numbers on them for weeks. And those werent like 50% concentrated on one target either. With a bit of luck, you can also experience the thrilling week long ride!
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Nothing special tbh. Multiple alliances had these numbers on them for weeks. And those werent like 50% concentrated on one target either. With a bit of luck, you can also experience the thrilling week long ride!
Err, okay... Mister PT

I am not saying that this is special or unfair or anything? I am just showing some facts to tame some trolls.

Also good thing the round only lasts for 3 more days . With all these crashers around it will possibly boost my rank!
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Alright mister Nitpicker, I guess my previous comment was to hard to for you to understand:

Faceless was hit by 6 tags (280 hostile fleets), which made it possible for you to roid Raul. Actually it was 8 tags, but i guess we cant count the lonely p3n, and some astray ND incs.
Raul was roided hours BEFORE FL got hit by mulitple tags.
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Fair enough, but it looked a bit like you were called on your numbers which you made look like a 280 fleet deal on Raul alone. Then you showed up with a more accurate number to which I only replied that its nothing special to have about 300 fleets hitting you. I know for a fact Asc has been hit by those kind of numbers days on end (it did become around 200ish the last few days) and Im assuming Ult have had these incomings also. When BF started to lose their roids, I can only assume they received likewise numbers.

In short, it looked like you were whining, hence so many people falling over you atm. If Im wrong, then sorry! Forum posts always are void of any emotion.
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Re: Second half of the round

I highly doubt worthiness has anything to do with it.

The first win-worthy alliance will get gang-banged by an opposite block until it's in shambles. Afterwards a new worthy alliance will emerge, which will go through the same treatment. These cycles will simply repeat themselves until the round is over. Truth is, the universe nowadays is just too small to allow anything else, so it's only a matter of timing.
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I highly doubt worthiness has anything to do with it.

The first win-worthy alliance will get gang-banged by an opposite block until it's in shambles. Afterwards a new worthy alliance will emerge, which will go through the same treatment. These cycles will simply repeat themselves until the round is over. Truth is, the universe nowadays is just too small to allow anything else, so it's only a matter of timing.
Worthiness can mean all sorts of things, but generally in pa, you get out what you put in on all fronts. Black Flag have been solid militarily with strength in numbers and have used that to play some fairly regular politics without annoying people, which is a fairly unexciting way of winning but if that's the best way, who can blame them.

Ascendancy have relied too heavily on politics as we're not dedicated enough to compete with the best militarily (although we've done very well in some respects) and generally politics on its own doesn't get you over the line. Conspiracy have seemed to lack the political drive to go out for the win and probably aren't as strong as Black Flag. Ultores are a military machine but weren't able to build a decent coalition until it was too late for them, partly due to others. The rest have just never been in the running. There's a myriad of other reasons for the outcome of this round but that's it in a nutshell.

As I see it, planetarion is about playing to a fixed time, and given that, Black Flag are clear winners. This is hardly the latest phase in a cycle - Ascendancy and Conspiracy were the last realistic contenders to Black Flag, and as I see it Conspiracy chose not to contend (they can correct me on that) and Ascendancy just weren't strong enough to overwhelm Black Flag and their block. The round effectively ended three days ago, and we are now in a havoc period. Hence, why mz can tell people to get ****ed on behalf of ascendancy.
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Re: Second half of the round

Data: Ascendancy had between about 220 and 250 incoming fleets a night during the first stretch, and between 180 and 220 during the second one.
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For an alliance that doesn't care you sure as hell post a lot of "facts" and "insights".
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I am not an alliance.
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Mz posts data even when Ascendancy doesn't play. I guess you can call him the Planetarion statistical guy.
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I don't think he'd know what to do with himself if he weren't being right on the forums all the time, tbh.
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Hey, it's better than being wrong on the forums all the time!
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to be honest, we are just innovhating.



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to be honest, we are just innovhating.



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Sort of!
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No one ever fully escapes...
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Hotel California man, hotel california.

We did a bit of caring during this round, then suddenly we were #1 by accident. Then we found ourselves in a situation with a little bit of too much attention for our liking.
Now we are just ruining.

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Vs the rest? It was mainly BF/CT fighting them with Bows chipping in every now and then.

Ult gave up too easily and let emotions dictate their actions. If they hadn't of emo-crashed on Asc, they would probably still be in the running now.
You do realise that 4k incs before pt800 is hard enough, without having to deal with asc jumping into the mix? We were doing fine up untill that point btw. The crashes was unfortunate but it doesn't reflect any emoing, it's just the result of a long and way too tiring summer round. When Asc joined bf/ct/bows the "don't work with ult deal" fell through, but with 3 allies working together infront of ult there was no way we could pick off all 3 even if we now had the chance to work with more than ND.

Well played to BF/Asc for isolating Ult so we could never effectively target those hitting us.

Looking foward to next round, bring on the anti Ult deals(oh, they're already sorted..)
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You do realise that 4k incs before pt800 is hard enough, without having to deal with asc jumping into the mix? We were doing fine up untill that point btw. The crashes was unfortunate but it doesn't reflect any emoing, it's just the result of a long and way too tiring summer round. When Asc joined bf/ct/bows the "don't work with ult deal" fell through, but with 3 allies working together infront of ult there was no way we could pick off all 3 even if we now had the chance to work with more than ND.

Well played to BF/Asc for isolating Ult so we could never effectively target those hitting us.

Looking foward to next round, bring on the anti Ult deals(oh, they're already sorted..)
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Probably BF
Well i get this much, but to see actualy numbers from all the alliances who have sent at you would be fun reading
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Pretty equal betweem bf and ct last time i checked.
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I find it funny that Asc set out to make sure no brazil made t3, and then they roided #4 who was the only person who could have kicked raul out of t3.
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Sums up the two allies rounds respectively. Rogues naive again and Asc not to be trusted
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Sums up the two allies rounds respectively. Rogues naive again and Asc not to be trusted
Indeed, but this round is almost over and everyone will have a few weeks to wash the bad taste from their mouths.
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