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Unread 2 Dec 2014, 13:17   #201
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

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so imagine osama bin laden, hitting the towers and getting huge xp..

u r just telling me that in a war the small side cant hurt the big one and be a hero.

so if pa is all about init roids (as u guys LOVE TO DO) its the worst game ever. edit (i agree if ppl cant init more then 200 roids, then the game will be nice again)
As bad as your example is, it's still possible to come up with a reasonable answer.

Lets imagine the USA having huge value, Osama, who wants huge xp wants to fly planes into the towers, so he has to be sneaky. He WAITED till the defence was 'low' (the dc's were sleeping) and wheeeeee planes landed without def and voila HUGEEEEE xp.

This above situation is how pa should be. You are a big valuefat planet so you are hard to roid. If you want to xp land you need to plan, wait till his fleet is gone etc!

The situation with this current round is that you have the USA on full alert. They have 15 billion value average but instead of Osama being sneaky he calls Obama and says "Hi my dark skinned friend, i have no value at all! just 10k pegs, 100k bans, whatever else and i will attack your towers in exactly 10 hours from now! bye"

The USA is panicking and trying to redirect their insane value, of which nearly all doesn't even fire at Osama. Osama attacks and still flies 2 planes into the towers emerging as the huge victor who wins the (round) war.

THIS IS THE CURRENT ROUND OF PA, YOU HAVE VALUE AND STILL GET RAPED BY SOME INACTIVE C**T WHO DID FK ALL ALL ROUND.

For myself and others PA isn't about initting roids, it's about building ships and bash anyone who looks or talks to you in a wrong way. You reward activity, you reward roiding others and you reward keeping the roids you get from attacking. Xp playing is fine, but it should never get you in a top 10 ranking as you did nothing to impact the game.
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Unread 2 Dec 2014, 13:49   #202
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

Just a quick question, why does PA even have MC's?
Didn't have them when I retired and I remember the balance between score / value & xp to be pretty damn perfect when I left? (except for r16 that lokken already mentioned)
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

Unknown. If I were to guess, I'd say it's because XP whores previously had nothing to build. FCs, refs and SD are all pointless.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

Excellent question VDM, i've been pretty much wondering about this myself as since their introduction they have been heavily skewing things in the favor of XP, combined with these stats all of a sudden we now have FOCKERS that can win.

I think they were introduced to bring some variety in buildplans, unfortunately all it brought is imbalance. Even if variety in buildplans was the goal, they should have been capped at a certain number(100?) much like FC's are.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

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he said stuff..
What's important is XP isn't my style of play and that bs land wouldn't have happened. I certainly would have recalled and forgot too..

Yes I have lots of MCs and no FCS but after building a few 'early doors' I've backed myself into a corner where I have to continue building them as it would be pointless to switch now.

And, I want to make it clear, I'm neither for, or against MCs and XP. I just know that its WRONG to profit from a lazy arse land like that..
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

Why not just change XP to something you get from killing/EMPing ships.
Roid cap can be based on score/value of planet and score/value of alliance its in.
Attacking a small planet in a small alliance when you are a big planet in a big alliance should give you a very low cap rate, regardless off the roidcount of the target planet.
Change around the "contributing score" a tag gets from a planet to only the score gained while in the tag.

The brazillians have played "proper" PA aswell, but i know they hated the fact that it is a hiearchy to in alliances/gals/univers who can end in the top, regardless of activity/skill/dedication.
Good team spirit rarely get you into the top without broken XP, atleast with XP this round, team efforts will guarantee you a place in the top.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

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u trying to make ppl afraid of losing member base.
tbh, u said i dont know to play properly, but i see u with a lot of effort round after round, playing your ace way, and never wining a SHIT.
so, remember u have 4 fingers pointing u, when u point one to me.
I have won plenty of times with my style of play, just not in a HC position. Probably before your time, though.

And besides, the two alliances I've hc'd since leaving Ultores haven't won not because of my lack of leadership, but because the member-base isn't strong and independent enough to win.
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Why not just change XP to something you get from killing/EMPing ships.

We tried that once and it was ****ing terrible. Not sure that EMP was counted...also something with Zik's stealing ships being an issue as well.

I think that was part of the initial PAX change, though I'll have to trawl through the wiki to check.
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Unknown. If I were to guess, I'd say it's because XP whores previously had nothing to build. FCs, refs and SD are all pointless.
Well, I can understand why SD was introduced, as trolls were sending structure killers at players everyday, ruining their rounds with no chance of stopping them. However, I do think that SD are over-powered, as it's so easy to stop structure killers in a short space of time. Maybe revise the formula to make it possible to still structure kill AND defend against structure killers too?

MC however in my opinion is over-powered and pointless. We already have the XP addition. XP was (correct me if I'm wrong) only meant to be an addition to the game to give players a chance to play differently, not turn XP into the fundamental way of playing.
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I have won plenty of times with my style of play, just not in a HC position. Probably before your time, though.

And besides, the two alliances I've hc'd since leaving Ultores haven't won not because of my lack of leadership, but because the member-base isn't strong and independent enough to win.
Im pretty sure Joseph was around long long long long before you came around Clouds
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Im pretty sure Joseph was around long long long long before you came around Clouds
The Brazilians are only a recent addition to the player-base. And besides, I've been playing this **** game since round 3.
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The Brazilians are only a recent addition to the player-base. And besides, I've been playing this **** game since round 3.
No brazillians is not a recent addition to this game.
Some of them were new to the game when they came around 10-11 rounds back, Joseph how ever were not.
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XP was (correct me if I'm wrong) only meant to be an addition to the game to give players a chance to play differently, not turn XP into the fundamental way of playing.
I covered this earlier in the thread...
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

Everything has been covered earlier in this thread.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

I don't mind mc's. This rounds stats + race choices from alliances make up the perfect storm for XP to dominate. (Some XP whores are also getting escorted every night which isn't irrelevant)

I get that, but the system itself is also _broken_. When a planet ranked top3 can get 3k xp from roiding a planet ranked ~250, you need to look at the formula that's being used. Because of the new mc option, the formula is outdated, it was created in a time of no mc's and it was balanced at the time. Like I said, the mc option is cool, but the formula needs to be adjusted so having a score 2x of who you are attacking actually means you get a penalty.

I've made mc's since they were introduced, and I encouraged everyone to get 30-50 of them regardless of how they play. I was mostly laughed at, but obiously a few rounds later we see their true power.

That being said, I don't think we'll see a round like this again for some time. It will depend on stats obviously, but as far as pendulum swings go, we're in for a big one.
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As bad as your example is, it's still possible to come up with a reasonable answer.

Lets imagine the USA having huge value, Osama, who wants huge xp wants to fly planes into the towers, so he has to be sneaky. He WAITED till the defence was 'low' (the dc's were sleeping) and wheeeeee planes landed without def and voila HUGEEEEE xp.

This above situation is how pa should be. You are a big valuefat planet so you are hard to roid. If you want to xp land you need to plan, wait till his fleet is gone etc!

The situation with this current round is that you have the USA on full alert. They have 15 billion value average but instead of Osama being sneaky he calls Obama and says "Hi my dark skinned friend, i have no value at all! just 10k pegs, 100k bans, whatever else and i will attack your towers in exactly 10 hours from now! bye"

The USA is panicking and trying to redirect their insane value, of which nearly all doesn't even fire at Osama. Osama attacks and still flies 2 planes into the towers emerging as the huge victor who wins the (round) war.

THIS IS THE CURRENT ROUND OF PA, YOU HAVE VALUE AND STILL GET RAPED BY SOME INACTIVE C**T WHO DID FK ALL ALL ROUND.

For myself and others PA isn't about initting roids, it's about building ships and bash anyone who looks or talks to you in a wrong way. You reward activity, you reward roiding others and you reward keeping the roids you get from attacking. Xp playing is fine, but it should never get you in a top 10 ranking as you did nothing to impact the game.
well, i thought the conversation was all about xp and mc, not about this round stats.

but i like my example, if u dont mind, i will use it again.
the guy who put down the towers worked a lot 10 years before the attack, he studied, kept low profile, but when needed, he gone there and did his job, landed huge xp. u can tell me the soldiers fighiting day by day are better then this one who waited?

despite this round stats, its impossible land a huge value planet soloing, or not being helped by a lot of planets.

so, again, if the stats come regular again, no OP class and races, whats the problem in a team work to get one player in high ranks escorting him?
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I have won plenty of times with my style of play, just not in a HC position. Probably before your time, though.

And besides, the two alliances I've hc'd since leaving Ultores haven't won not because of my lack of leadership, but because the member-base isn't strong and independent enough to win.
win means EORC.

have u ever talked in eorc? gal win, anything? im to lazy to find it.

we are new in pa? brazilians play pa since r1. and we like pa so much, that we did a brazilian clone of the game, a shit game? yes! but a few rounds ago we had more active players then PA. it proves how much brazilians like to play this game, much more then any other country.
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win means EORC.

have u ever talked in eorc? gal win, anything? im to lazy to find it.

we are new in pa? brazilians play pa since r1. and we like pa so much, that we did a brazilian clone of the game, a shit game? yes! but a few rounds ago we had more active players then PA. it proves how much brazilians like to play this game, much more then any other country.
Talking in eorc isnt winning. Ask Cardi

Did you have XP in your clone?
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Er, a win doesn't mean EORC. Those who represent their alliance at EORC are merely just representatives. I was offered to represent Ultores a couples of times during their prime at EORC, which I refused, as only cripples talk there.

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Talking in eorc isnt winning. Ask Cardi

Did you have XP in your clone?
What some of us argue here, is that the current XPlanetarion, isnt Planetarion.
What we are arguing is that Clouds think he is some PA demigod, and is claiming that Brazillians is some newb Group that just turned up
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What we are arguing is that Clouds think he is some PA demigod, and is claiming that Brazillians is some newb Group that just turned up
You need to keep up to speed, not only read thread topic
I didn't claim anything of the sort, and I stand corrected about the Brazilians being a recent addition to the player-base.
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I didn't claim anything of the sort, and I stand corrected about the Brazilians being a recent addition to the player-base.
Well i dont see why you would post the stuff that you do towards Joseph arguments wich, honestly, has fck all to do with what he was saying about XP.
"Its the only way Joseph knows how to play. Lazy play"
"Oh i was sucsessfull before you newbies/trolls/xpwhores came around"
You dont even know the who Joseph is, by the looks of it. Where im from, it means you should keep your mouth shut and stick to objective arguments.

That i aside, im strongly against changing game features/formuleas/stats to make XP whoring as viable, if not more viable of an option to value play.
Im not saying that there shouldny be ways to win without fencing your gal, abusing your alliance, or what not, just that the XP is fcking up the gentle balance the univers was in, and made it more or less pointless for 90% of the playerbase.
Innuendo proved that small allies can get top planets with good team play without crazy XP, and Brasil proved that they can get almost all of the top planets with a smaller tag with crazy XP.
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Talking in eorc isnt winning. Ask Cardi

Did you have XP in your clone?
What some of us argue here, is that the current XPlanetarion, isnt Planetarion.
thats true, cardi still a noob =p

and no, we had no XP... and the reason i quit the clone and still playing here its bcoz they made a copy and stoped copying it, so the game gone into shit.

i agree that this particular round with this xan stats made the game look very unbalanced. but i do believe play planetarion with ships still the best way to have fun.

i just dont like the game having only one way to win (not crashing at all).

we play a very fast round, so ppl just drop it when see a crash. and wait next round. thats not nice imho.

u guys already made very hard to escort some1 recalling fake attacks early.
nerfed mc.
whats the next move? remove xp? as a lot of ppl here wants?
lets just rollback into r1 and play the old game then.

im trully waiting something new and nice for next round, dunno, but the r60 should have something to the community. anything.
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Well i dont see why you would post the stuff that you do towards Joseph arguments wich, honestly, has fck all to do with what he was saying about XP.
"Its the only way Joseph knows how to play. Lazy play"
"Oh i was sucsessfull before you newbies/trolls/xpwhores came around"
You dont even know the who Joseph is, by the looks of it. Where im from, it means you should keep your mouth shut and stick to objective arguments.
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i was trying to say that, but my english sux.
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Well i dont see why you would post the stuff that you do towards Joseph arguments wich, honestly, has fck all to do with what he was saying about XP.
"Its the only way Joseph knows how to play. Lazy play"
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It's the only way Joseph knows how to play. If they changed the XP formula then he'll probably quit, as he's too lazy to play properly.
It has everything to do with the discussion. Joseph is pro XP mainly because it's his preferred method of play. I was merely voicing my opinion that Joseph doesn't want to play the popular method.

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"Oh i was sucsessfull before you newbies/trolls/xpwhores came around"
Eh? When did I say that? Once again you're making up stories, which is probably why you did you own quote and not directly quote myself.

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You dont even know the who Joseph is, by the looks of it. Where im from, it means you should keep your mouth shut and stick to objective arguments.
I think you should think before posting, especially aggressive posts. If you have any grievances with me, then keep them private and don't voice them on public discussions as it just makes you look a tad silly.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

This round was the "perfect storm" for XP play. I do not feel like the game is "broken", but certainly some stuff should be looked at--before it gets pummeled with the nerf-bat.

It has been my long-standing and vocal opinion for many years that there should be more than one way to play PA. Anyone as old as I am will remember a time when scan planets were the bane of PA and should be killed with fire. I played as a scanner many of those early rounds.

I'd like to take a nice approach here, since I've been shit-posting and trolling lately. Point your browser to the Strategy Forum and contribute something for the stats r60. Winter round gives everyone more time to put something together and critique it. The clock is ticking, though.

I'll create some sort of terrible thread over the next few days regarding quite a few issues, but for now back on topic: re-read the first sentence I wrote before going on an XP witch hunt.
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The simplest "fix" would be to base xp gains on score instead of value.
(I know that this has been suggested before - I'm not trying to take the credit).
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The simplest "fix" would be to base xp gains on score instead of value.
(I know that this has been suggested before - I'm not trying to take the credit).
Wouldnt that make it even worse? Simpler to gain xp farming other xp whores with no ships?
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

I think it would set an effective cap on the xp that could be gained - as each gain would count towards score and thereby make subsequent gains smaller (in just the same way that gaining value reduces future xp gains now). Also, there would be no way to reduce the score element - at least not in the way that value can be artificially "thrown away" at the moment.

I could be wrong but ........
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

A few suggestions:

For attack:

XP = roids capped * 10 * bravery factor * (crashed_value/total_value) * (fleet_value/all_fleets_value)

"all_fleets_value" would vary from "fleet_value" to infinity and never decreases in order to penalize piggying and escorting in the xp gain. Example:

- launch a FI fleet at the same eta of a BS attack will increase both attackers "all_fleets_value" to the sum of the FI and BS fleets.

For defense:

XP = 0.0025 * (value_killed + 0.5*value_emped - value_lost) *(fleet_value/all_def_fleets_value)*(1 - 0.5*cap / max_cap)

Emp is nerfed in order diminish xp farming as an attack is more willing to land on a emp def than on a def with killing ships

It would be better if the combat engine could consider just the ships taking action in combat. If that was possible, the term "fleet_value/all_def_fleets_value" wouldn't be necessary.
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"Joseph is pro XP mainly because it's his preferred method of play".
wrong opinion, i played for xp twice, and i still prefer value way, but imho, the game should allow crashs. U cant lose the WAR just bcoz a problem occured in one battle. Sometimes RL problems makes u crash, and everyone knows that.


Its a pleasure to let all u guys know that its not my intention ruin your beloved game, as i love it too.

I know its hard to see some "new" guys comming and wanting to make a diferente game. But the truth is we just want a more fair game.

after too many rounds playing the same "popular" strat, all u guys are blind, and dont want to see that some new changes can make the game even better.

ace told me in the round start that he commands the game, and its not my goal to change it. i disagree, anyone can help. even us.
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Re: XP is broken. fix it

I enjoy XP as it added a new dynamic to the game. I do feel like it has been exploited beyond its intended design.

A simple solution that I came up with:
-Put a maximum cap on how much XP someone can get with 1 land. Say (10k or something)

This will allow everyone to continue to enjoy XP except for it will remove the escorting in for top 10 single land.


(Sorry if this has already been proposed in this thread as I skipped over the many flame war posts lol)
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