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Unread 7 Feb 2007, 09:34   #1
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So, who's winning?

As an innocent bystander this round. I dont even have a planet yet (true story) I was wondering who was winning?

I have to say im abit impressed with VGN this round, as I wonder who they have taken in to have such a good average score.

Caj's Destiny is also looking strong, but will the alliance handle some targeting?

Meanwhile I see Conspiracy taking a "smart" approach not stressing and not wanting to tag up yet. Is Conspiracy the one alliance to best take advantage of the new cluster etas?

F-Crew is quite high this round so far, but I assume their activity isnt high enough to keep going?

NewDawn looks very weak for now, but we can only assume that they got more members hiding out of tag.

This round got all the signs to be a classic slugfight with no clear leader or clear favourite as of yet as I see it.
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I have to say im abit impressed with VGN this round, as I wonder who they have taken in to have such a good average score.
Gôsu and a number of other ex-Angels, I believe.
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Re: So, who's winning?

Yeah, that was my guess too infact.
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Re: So, who's winning?

You might be enlightened about the details of Vengeance if you sought for fat planets in poor galaxies.
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Unread 7 Feb 2007, 12:32   #5
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Re: So, who's winning?

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F-Crew is quite high this round so far, but I assume their activity isnt high enough to keep going?
Our activity seems to be better than ever this round and now we are pretty much full we can be a little more picky about who we take in and get rid of those inactives that we just cant help cos we never see. I expect we will fall a couple of ranks but stay within the top 10 at 9th or 10th.

Angels don't seem to exist yet either. Have to say this lack of tagging is annoying but makes sence. With cluster eta been so low and there been only a few clusters you can, assuming you have the activity levels to, run defence through clusters and cluster alliances rather than more traditional alliances. For these handful of alliances there really is little benefit from tagging. They only miss out on using the tax system for scanners. They will struggle later though if they are trying to get those last 10 members in with the recruitment rules limiting them to small planets. (limit is 60 + 10 below half the average score of the top 10 alliances).

The other ally that should rise is Orbit once they get most of the pmonkeys members in just due to sheer numbers. We will have to see how many actually join though.
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Re: So, who's winning?

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The other ally that should rise is Orbit once they get most of the pmonkeys members in just due to sheer numbers. We will have to see how many actually join though.
i hope takeing in chronox's bunch of mercs doesnt backfire on orbit.

Crowly did some amasing work with orbit last round and transformed orbit into a knit group of players who actually get the job done.

no disrespect to PMonkeys, but is orbit takeing them in a good thing to do? its one iam sceptical about
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Re: So, who's winning?

I would say it's warranted skepticism, I am not one for unabashed optimism ever, it just doesn't work.

However, I've met the pmonkeys lads, so far they do seem like a good bunch of guys and my job is, ofc, to forge all the members together into one group. I think that it has a fairly decent chance of all melding reasonably well. Personally I think that with the right effort (and damnit there will be effort!) we can snag that 9th position, from f-crew even.

I guess that was a little bit of optimism there, sue me. ;p
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Re: So, who's winning?

Did Mek call me a merc?

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Re: So, who's winning?

What about the likes of Omen and Ascendancy?

Omen have quite a high average score and Asc have quite a few members who we know from previous rounds are very skilled.

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Re: So, who's winning?

I think the behaviour of Destiny is some of the worst behaviour I have ever seen.
And I have left Destiny in no doubt where I stand on the matter.

Dispicable I would say.
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Re: So, who's winning?

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I think the behaviour of Destiny is some of the worst behaviour I have ever seen.
And I have left Destiny in no doubt where I stand on the matter.

Dispicable I would say.
Perhaps you could elaborate for us not in the know.
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Perhaps you could elaborate for us not in the know.
Someone applied to Destiny. They requested he wait 48 hours for them to make a decision, then sent 4 waves at him.
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Take THAT Sebos.
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Oh and there is the 'destiny nappe with half the universe and asking for allies' thing, but thats np, maybe they will find tha more of a hindrance than a help
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Re: So, who's winning?

forest, care to elaborate on your claims?
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Forest is CT?
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forest, care to elaborate on your claims?
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Re: So, who's winning?

Just want to say it was a mistake on our part and we apologised to the player in question. It was purely a matter of human error in him not getting added to our arby. It was just a matter that we felt he deserved an apology not you forest.

On the matter of anti vouches, they were not anti vouches just with the limited space we have remaining the opinions on whether the HCs though he was the right player to take one of those spots. They were opinions based on the information we had presented where as i though an anti-vouch was when you stop a player from joining an alliance from previous experiances of that player correct me if i am wrong.
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That has been done in private to the alliances concerned.
well if its been covered in a private pm to the alliances concerned then dont come on here mouthing off about it then. im not deeply shocked at the lame attempt at propoganda by you tho forest....same shit different round eh? ;D
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Probably a matter for a different thread if you wish to take this further as it is not directly related to "who is winning?"
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Probably a matter for a different thread if you wish to take this further as it is not directly related to "who is winning?"
idd, seconded.

on topic i think its early days as id like to see those other alliance get their members intag so we can see the true face of the universe

(to forest: if you wish to discuss the propoganda post i made above do it on irc or via pm as i dont want another thread derailing by bitching and fighting...ty)
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Just want to say it was a mistake on our part and we apologised to the player in question. It was purely a matter of human error in him not getting added to our arby. It was just a matter that we felt he deserved an apology not you forest.

On the matter of anti vouches, they were not anti vouches just with the limited space we have remaining the opinions on whether the HCs though he was the right player to take one of those spots. They were opinions based on the information we had presented where as i though an anti-vouch was when you stop a player from joining an alliance from previous experiances of that player correct me if i am wrong.

He was told he was anti-vouched. I was told he was anti-vouched.

You apology, although taken very well by tpb, means nothing really, as you still landed attacks.
If you were really sorry and it was really a mistake, surelya recall would of been in order?
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Probably a matter for a different thread if you wish to take this further as it is not directly related to "who is winning?"
I would say who is annoying who is directly related to war, the wars that are deciding who is winning and will ultimetly win.
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Re: So, who's winning?

I'm the one who applied and got attacked.

Cowmando PMed me and offered an appology.
In my oppinion damn decent of him since I did not expect an appology at all.
Appology is ofcourse accepted.

I'm glad thou that votes against me were not anti vouches.
My bad for asuming it was.
Was afraid I managed to get more enemies then I was aware of.

Anyways to bring this back to topic.

Who is winning?
Well not me ;-)
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sorry, it appears we weren't making the same point afterall.
the main aim of my post was to stress that if he wasnt prepared to spill the beans he shouldnt have mentioned it at all.

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Oh and there is the 'destiny nappe with half the universe and asking for allies' thing, but thats np, maybe they will find tha more of a hindrance than a help
im particularly interested in this accusation tbh
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Re: So, who's winning?

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Oh and there is the 'destiny nappe with half the universe and asking for allies' thing, but thats np, maybe they will find tha more of a hindrance than a help
I'm afraid to say your current information is incorrect there but if we are/have napped could you please tell me who ? As it would be new to me
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What about the likes of Omen and Ascendancy?

Omen have quite a high average score and Asc have quite a few members who we know from previous rounds are very skilled.

Looks interesting so far.
Ascendancy are doing everything in their power to stop jerome from winning. On any level.
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Re: So, who's winning?

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Angels don't seem to exist yet either.
As far as I know they're not playing as a single alliance - most of their ex-members are scattered around in alliances such as Omen and Vengeance.
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Re: So, who's winning?

oh gr8. forest found another place to to whine about dest roiding him

starting from god knows how many mails he been sending via PAmail,
and the crying he did via PM and in public channels
and now here

i think you all know what happened.
Dest roided his poor planets with moer waves then he anticipated.

end of story
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Oh and there is the 'destiny nappe with half the universe and asking for allies' thing, but thats np, maybe they will find tha more of a hindrance than a help
It's a bit early isn't it? Take a lesson from ND r19, and NAP the entire universe during the last week of the round. Oh, I guess that didn't work for them, so trying it early doesn't sound so bad...

Anyway... I don't know much about this round politically but I've heard a few things here and there.

It's halarious to see Omen on the rankings and Angels in VgN--during round 19 a huge justification for the creation of Furious-Omen (or Amen, as I like to say) was to create a community that would play Planetarion over several rounds. In fact, that was the justification for the creation of Amen given on both sides. I guess I was correct when I told Amen HC that to build a solid community is best done at the start of a new round. How fitting that they failed miserably in their self-proclaimed ultimate goal after the charade of round 19.

Note to VgN: Don't accept mercs. It's a bad idea. Don't let them operate seperately--ever. That's a vital rule. If you have both ex-Angels and gosu within VgN (which could just be roumors) then that would be irony to me after gosu left Angels, and now cooperation must be essential. Hopefully the Angels aren't in command positions where they can exercise grudges. Oh yeah, don't give Sjor any political positions. I love the guy to death, but he really shouldn't be given political power. As an Angels officer once told me, "he has the political skills of a monkey flinging poo." I'm inclined to agree after the dumbarsery Ive seen him do politically trying to manipulate people.

Conspiracy seem to be keeping a nice low profile, having their members use cluster alliances & galaxies as defence sources for now, and using blocks of 10-members at a time to be added to tag. I'm guessing they've kept scanners (and other officers that need to be intag) and lower-ranked members intag (to encourage growth), and are keeping the higher ranked ones out of tag. They also have a decent intel system. Props, but a few of your spies are listed and have been circulating.

Destiny seem to have gotten off to a nice start. I've heard them refered to as Insomnia^2. They seem to be doing well at the moment--lets see if they can keep it up. They tagged up too early though (if I were them, anyway) and they're a bit lacking on their intel networks (either that, or their spy system is very undetectable, which I doubt--no offense). Oh yeah, stay away from my gal. You guys booked it with CT on the same day.

No insult to any alliances not mentioned here, it just means I'm too lazy to write any more.
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oh gr8. forest found another place to to whine about dest roiding him

starting from god knows how many mails he been sending via PAmail,
and the crying he did via PM and in public channels
and now here

i think you all know what happened.
Dest roided his poor planets with moer waves then he anticipated.

end of story
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Actually I havent whined once about me getting attacked. Not one single time.
You may find quotes of me saying getting roided makes no difference this early on.
You may find quote of me laughing at the guy who landed on my 440 roids and took less than 60.
You may even find quotes of me laughing at the guy who landed his 1.5k co onto about 7k of cutlass, and then him being roided down in the retal

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I guess I was correct when I told Amen HC that to build a solid community is best done at the start of a new round. How fitting that they failed miserably in their self-proclaimed ultimate goal after the charade of round 19.
I guess it'd be surprisingly hard to keep the A of the Amen involved when the chief person of the other side goes Ascendancy, the rest bugger off to whom Vision and whom Vengeance. It's nothing I couldn't have predicted either, but it's for different reasons than what you are saying.

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Note to VgN: Don't accept mercs. It's a bad idea. Don't let them operate seperately--ever. That's a vital rule. If you have both ex-Angels and gosu within VgN (which could just be roumors) then that would be irony to me after gosu left Angels, and now cooperation must be essential...Sjor any political positions. I love the guy to death, but he really shouldn't be given political power.
Looking at how certain planets attract defences, the exact same may well be happening in Vengeance which caused unrest in Angels last round. Taking a look at the political scheme, and listening to how sides see it, I wouldn't be surprised if Sjor was behind some of the plots being played.

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i hope takeing in chronox's bunch of mercs doesnt backfire on orbit.
Speaking of it, I'd be more worried about ChronoX backfiring, than the mercs.
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As an innocent bystander this round. I dont even have a planet yet (true story) I was wondering who was winning?
You said this last round for the whole round and then used your alliance in the interest of your galaxy without them knowing as they all thought that you didn't have a planet.

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It's a bit early isn't it? Take a lesson from ND r19, and NAP the entire universe during the last week of the round. Oh, I guess that didn't work for them, so trying it early doesn't sound so bad...
NAPing the rest of the universe during the last week of R19 wasn't exactly a bad move IMO, and I don't think that you should be attacking it.
They needed to take you down and grow themselves, NAPing others wouldn't have any negative effects on their growth as they were supposed to be targetting you exclusively, and it would just mean less incs which helped them to defend against incs from you guys.
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Oh and there is the 'destiny nappe with half the universe and asking for allies' thing, but thats np, maybe they will find tha more of a hindrance than a help

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naaaaaaap..... they naaaaaaaap... wnaaaap
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Re: So, who's winning?

My original statement was done with a smile. Not whining.

Your statement was that I was whining about lost roids, and not once did i mention my roids.
If you care to read my posst you will see I was talking about someone elses planet.

Maybe go read all the posts here, then read your posts. Then you dont need to wonder why you ahve so many neg reps.

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Maybe go read all the posts here, then read your posts. Then you dont need to wonder why you ahve so many neg reps.
He has so many neg reps because he insists on being an idiot on GD.
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He has so many neg reps because he insists on being an idiot on GD.
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You said this last round for the whole round and then used your alliance in the interest of your galaxy without them knowing as they all thought that you didn't have a planet.


Yeah, it was so terrible. Using my own alliance so that the alliance could have their biggest scoregain the entire round. Absolutely terrible
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Re: So, who's winning?

I think jer summed it up pretty well at the EORC, the first raid in the last week was profitable, the 2nd was somewhat profitable but the last one didn't do very well at all
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yer, in fact i have more posreps then negreps. just that people on GD who hump eachother for that thing called posrep had accumulated alot of said rep. And god forbid you disagree with someone once. They will keep negrepping you whenever they can its hilarious really.
(negrep) what would you change... 3 Feb 2007 21:38 i negrep you whenever i can

unsigned ofcourse, but this guy is my return client. Know him pretty deam well.

etc

and i went from 4 green blobs to 3 red ones when i started posting about how stupid it is to have people give rep unsigned... this didnt flow well with rephumpers

and being an ideot online is what i do. you should know that.
also u cannot deny sending those half hatefilled half pleas about some galaxies sending alot of fleets to yours... sure as heck didnt look like a joke tbfh
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Plea?
Are you talking about this round when I simply stated I would be back for my roids? And then I did infact go back for them?
That was just a promise.

I wont be replying tyo you anymore, you clearly have nothing intelligent worth saying and are ruining a perfectly good thread.
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i think forest is an idiot for actually believing that red and green blobs give any information about the quality of a post.

back on track: Bög Klubben is winning!

or wait, better ask that question in ~800 ticks when u can really make such an assumption
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yer, in fact i have more posreps then negreps. just that people on GD who hump eachother for that thing called posrep had accumulated alot of said rep. And god forbid you disagree with someone once. They will keep negrepping you whenever they can its hilarious really.
(negrep) what would you change... 3 Feb 2007 21:38 i negrep you whenever i can

unsigned ofcourse, but this guy is my return client. Know him pretty deam well.

etc

and i went from 4 green blobs to 3 red ones when i started posting about how stupid it is to have people give rep unsigned... this didnt flow well with rephumpers

and being an ideot online is what i do. you should know that.
also u cannot deny sending those half hatefilled half pleas about some galaxies sending alot of fleets to yours... sure as heck didnt look like a joke tbfh
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I think the people that didn't sign up are the true winners.
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