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Unread 6 Jan 2007, 14:05   #1
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Round 20 Portal Features

Please give your opinions on the following

Spy Reports
Players email in their gossip/info on alliances and we publish the info anonymousy (not sure how well this one will go down due to accusations of bias as well). The other option on this is some kind of "alliance gossip" or propaganda column where reps from alliances can post updates on how their alliance is doing and stuff, however as some people have stated this may only be useful for the larger alliances.

PA Panel
Ok im going to revive this idea by me chairing it, obviously its going to come under heavy critisism due to the logs of the last one not being posted etc. Five panel members, plus a chairperson (me). Players can ask questions via a bot similar to CH_Bot. I think it could be quite a cool thing and plenty of people went for it last time. For those of you who know what newsnight is then that is the general idea behind this, a kind of panel/debate "show" on topics relevant to the game.

Ask the Editor
Players can email in their questions to [email protected] and then i select a few of the questions each week, get the answers and post them up for all to see.

Ok, those are my three main new features. What do you all think?
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

Brilliant.
Now how about focusing on the game from now on? Making a better game would sure be spending time more constructively than working on the hillywinkies around the game.
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Brilliant.
Now how about focusing on the game from now on? Making a better game would sure be spending time more constructively than working on the hillywinkies around the game.
Congratulations on once again missing the point that some of the people on PATeam are not coders and are around specifically to work on things other than the game itself, such as the portal and things.
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

Ah yeah, true. You got me there. The spy thing can be awfully full of nothingness, and awfully prone to the abuse you mentioned. Who will decide which given comments will be published whichnot? Will it be silly on the level of the top alliance interviews last round where you interviewed rock and tof?
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Yeah the spy reports are probably the most difficult one to get right. Which comments would be published would be decided upon by someone who has signed an NDA (and therefore doesnt have an ally), this will most likely be me i should imagine.

Alliance interviews, i am hoping to have more of these as they always seem to go down well.

The reason i am trying to focus some new features around alliances is because on the portal poll about what things people want to see on the portal, alliances came out on top.

Other suggestions besides whats on here are appretiated too.
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

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Yeah the spy reports are probably the most difficult one to get right. Which comments would be published would be decided upon by someone who has signed an NDA (and therefore doesnt have an ally), this will most likely be me i should imagine.

Alliance interviews, i am hoping to have more of these as they always seem to go down well.
We've seen a lot of very biased NDA people, a good example here is some past multihunters, whose PA career after the multihunting tells enough. Let's hope we can keep the spy reports page reasonable, as it's very trashexplosive if the person moderating it does it inept or biased.
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Personally I remember back in the early rounds when we had "PNN - Planetarion News Network" where people could post rumours and gossip about what happened in the universe. I would suggest that certain things like planet coordinates should not be posted in any of the news, but apart from that it is a sound idea for content.
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We've seen a lot of very biased NDA people, a good example here is some past multihunters, whose PA career after the multihunting tells enough. Let's hope we can keep the spy reports page reasonable, as it's very trashexplosive if the person moderating it does it inept or biased.
What? And who are you reffering to with regards to this comment exactly?
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

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Personally I remember back in the early rounds when we had "PNN - Planetarion News Network" where people could post rumours and gossip about what happened in the universe. I would suggest that certain things like planet coordinates should not be posted in any of the news, but apart from that it is a sound idea for content.

I remember this as well...and if I'm not mistaken, it pretty much flopped
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I remember this as well...and if I'm not mistaken, it pretty much flopped
No idea (I havent actually read it), but any form of actively produced content is a good start.
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

chef, you know youre just a waste of space in pa, noone cares about the portal why on earth do you guys think its important? the site is terrible to look at, btw it was a reson kloppy's version 1 was removed then they failed the passport shit they tried

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chef, you know youre just a waste of space in pa, noone cares about the portal why on earth do you guys think its important? the site is terrible to look at, btw it was a reson kloppy's version 1 was removed then they failed the passport shit they tried

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well as long as more ppl quit than start playing pa you guys should spend some time to brainstorm what is wrong is it really the portal? is it the stats? xp? etc...

so any ideas?
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For some reason, somebody will always attempt to kill a thread about anything on these threads. No wonder nobody even bothers to post anymore..
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Dont worry, we know you suck anyways, biased or not.

Very constructive. Remind me, didnt you quit around 10 times? Perhaps thats just attention seeking afterall. But seriously. I do wonder how you manage to have a forum account, after not only posting negative comments on an alliances recruitment thread, but also posting like that.


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chef, you know youre just a waste of space in pa, noone cares about the portal why on earth do you guys think its important? the site is terrible to look at, btw it was a reson kloppy's version 1 was removed then they failed the passport shit they tried

no go on and do some usefull m8
Again, another great copnstructive critisism. I love posts that have no meaning what so ever other then to insult people. What exactly is your prupose in PA Robban? Just to insult peoples ideas and make none of your own? You and kargool are actually like each other a lot.


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well as long as more ppl quit than start playing pa you guys should spend some time to brainstorm what is wrong is it really the portal? is it the stats? xp? etc...

so any ideas?

And finally this post made me laugh. Have you ever thought people who come to play this game (new or old) Come and read these forums and see idiots like yourself bitching like this. Does that leave a good impression? Of course not. So, as much as everything else you and these crap posts also prevent players from playing this game. Robban, if you cant post somthing which doesnt contain an insult or an imature act then dont post at all? People like Heartless for example show inteligence. You just show imaturity. Learn will you for the love of god.
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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

The issue is that all of the ideas for the Planetarion Portal pretty much require actively updated and decent quality content. The game currently does not have the people to make this a viable option. I'd suggest starting off with a more barebone and useful portal, then add content if things become available.

Not start off plans of mass content, various sections and whatnot, only to find out it's either of terrible quality that no one reads, or runs dry after three weeks. Or a combination of the two.
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chef, you know youre just a waste of space in pa, noone cares about the portal why on earth do you guys think its important? the site is terrible to look at, btw it was a reson kloppy's version 1 was removed then they failed the passport shit they tried

no go on and do some usefull m8
And how much have you done for PA? The portal is important because it should be the first thing that anyone sees when they find planetarion.com, and there needs to be something that tells them what the game is about and hopefully gives a positive impression of the game and its community. Let's face it, it's not like many people are going to get a positive impression from the forums, with people like you around

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well as long as more ppl quit than start playing pa you guys should spend some time to brainstorm what is wrong is it really the portal? is it the stats? xp? etc...

so any ideas?
This is a stupid suggestion. Game design can only efficiently be carried out by a small group of people. Time spent on the portal is not time wasted; there's no reason to believe that spending that time on game design would produce a better game design.

If an improved portal can bring in even a few more players, that has to be good for the game. An improved portal wouldn't suddenly double the playerbase, but it might help.
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The feature i'd like to see on the portal is the game status. Example:
- Round 2O in progress, Current tick: 50, XXXX ticks remaining
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And how much have you done for PA? The portal is important because it should be the first thing that anyone sees when they find planetarion.com, and there needs to be something that tells them what the game is about and hopefully gives a positive impression of the game and its community. Let's face it, it's not like many people are going to get a positive impression from the forums, with people like you around

and how is the new one any better than the old one? the present one even look more noobish than old freebe games has. and if the portal is an reflection of the game we are in big dodo sorry.

and about me doing stuff? i pay for this crap that shoud be enough i think.

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Re: Round 20 Portal Features

I like the ideas. But what are your goals with these features? As I see it they are mostly for the current players and do little for getting new players into Planetarion (what should, imo, be Pa-teams #1 priority).

The Spy Reports are a nice idea. You seem to see it as a news thingie, I think it could be used as a sneaky propaganda system. A place where people can "accidentally" leak some information so folks know some alliance is planning something sneaky. Perhaps a nice feature for the game.

The PA Panel and Ask the Editor both seem to be about helping folks out and informing them. Always a good thing if you ask me. I would be worried about running out of things to talk about and ask pretty fast, but from what I gather from your post is that there's enough people interested in it, so why not.

Having said all that I still come back to my first issue: You're putting in a lot of time into improving the game (which is a good thing), but what are you doing to get new people in? Having a kick-ass game is great, but if there's no one to play it then it's pretty useless. Next to that most people that play have alliances and/or have been playing for a while, do they really need a PA-Panel?
I like what Makhil said: Give more information on the portal. Don't hide stuff in long news reports. Leshy also makes a good point: Keep it simple. Having too much on the portal can be an information overload. Next to that it's even more annoying when that information isn't updated.

As for folks that say improve the game: I agree the game could use some improvements, but I think that a lot will improve when there are more players. I mean the game itself has never really been that great, for me it has always been about the folks in my alliance (and on rare occasions my galaxy). The question is: will new features make the game more fun and bring in new players, or will more players make the game more fun?
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The issue is that all of the ideas for the Planetarion Portal pretty much require actively updated and decent quality content. The game currently does not have the people to make this a viable option. I'd suggest starting off with a more barebone and useful portal, then add content if things become available.

Not start off plans of mass content, various sections and whatnot, only to find out it's either of terrible quality that no one reads, or runs dry after three weeks. Or a combination of the two.
I agree with what you are saying Leshy. What i am trying to do is make the best of what we current have available. Ive got a small team of people who are willing to write content for the portal, what they are producing at the moment is to a fairly good standard however it is few and far between, whatever i can do personally to add to this i am trying to do.

There are things being worked on behind the scenes currently (such as a PA Backstory) which hopefully should bring additional content to the portal without it becoming overwhelming.

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The portal is important because it should be the first thing that anyone sees when they find planetarion.com, and there needs to be something that tells them what the game is about and hopefully gives a positive impression of the game and its community.
Exactly, while the current portal does have some issues that need to be worked on it is, none the less, an integral part of getting new players into the game. I know that people dont like the current design (and possibly they are right) but its not going to be there forever. As people will have seen we have plans in place to have a new portal/passport soon.

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The feature i'd like to see on the portal is the game status. Example:
- Round 2O in progress, Current tick: 50, XXXX ticks remaining
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- Free Beta Testing Starting in 35 hours, sign up open
This is something which we should be seeing when we have the new passport in place.

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I like the ideas. But what are your goals with these features? As I see it they are mostly for the current players and do little for getting new players into Planetarion (what should, imo, be Pa-teams #1 priority).

The Spy Reports are a nice idea. You seem to see it as a news thingie, I think it could be used as a sneaky propaganda system. A place where people can "accidentally" leak some information so folks know some alliance is planning something sneaky. Perhaps a nice feature for the game.

The PA Panel and Ask the Editor both seem to be about helping folks out and informing them. Always a good thing if you ask me. I would be worried about running out of things to talk about and ask pretty fast, but from what I gather from your post is that there's enough people interested in it, so why not.

Having said all that I still come back to my first issue: You're putting in a lot of time into improving the game (which is a good thing), but what are you doing to get new people in? Having a kick-ass game is great, but if there's no one to play it then it's pretty useless. Next to that most people that play have alliances and/or have been playing for a while, do they really need a PA-Panel?
I like what Makhil said: Give more information on the portal. Don't hide stuff in long news reports. Leshy also makes a good point: Keep it simple. Having too much on the portal can be an information overload. Next to that it's even more annoying when that information isn't updated.

As for folks that say improve the game: I agree the game could use some improvements, but I think that a lot will improve when there are more players. I mean the game itself has never really been that great, for me it has always been about the folks in my alliance (and on rare occasions my galaxy). The question is: will new features make the game more fun and bring in new players, or will more players make the game more fun?
The goal with these new features is to add content to the portal, to make give things that can be regularly updated. I know when i was a new player i enjoyed reading alliance propaganda and the like even if i wasnt involved simply because it made the game have that little extra something.

As far as what the PATeam is doing to get new players into the game, we have an affiliates scheme (which current includes NetGamers and DoM) where we swap advertisements with other services/games to try and bring new players into the game. There is also a "vote for PA" button on the portal under the left menu where you can vote fo Planetarion to go up on a ranking page of similar games (another way of bringing new players in). The PATeam is always looking for ways of advertising the game to new players and we are always open to suggestions of how we can do this. Advertising the game is something which both myself and Kal are responsible for as well as our other duties so feel free to let us know if you do have an idea.

My vision of the portal is to have a hub where old players and new players alike can read quality information which will interest them in the game and add an extra dimension to what we already provide. I have big plans for the portal but unfortunatly these things dont happen overnight, we should see massive improvements when the new portal/passport is brought in. Things specifically like makhil suggested will become part and parcel of the new portal.

I suppose the panel idea is a distraction really, just a little something extra for people to do.
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Will an RSS feed be a round 20 feature?

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Will an RSS feed be a round 20 feature?

You're running a news site without fairly important news site features!
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http://www.planetarion.com/rss/rss.xml

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chef, you know youre just a waste of space in pa, noone cares about the portal why on earth do you guys think its important? the site is terrible to look at, btw it was a reson kloppy's version 1 was removed then they failed the passport shit they tried

no go on and do some usefull m8

Can someone, anyone, tell me what useful contributions to PA robban has given?

Thus far I've seen not a great deal more than forum abuse, whining about stats, belittling those who are at the very least trying to make a difference, etc. Definitely worthwhile topics there which deserves to be commended repeatedly.

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I never got how rss works :/
I dont know how it works either, i just asked someone to go code it
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