Block hype again

[Petru]

They say that some things never change. And oh so true of Planetarion.

You know, this is to all you "block hype" mongers, ie, Yeh, SilverSmoke, and anyone else agreeing with them (okay, so noone in their right mind would believe a word Yeh says, but the point is valid).

This is the message....

It doesn't matter one bit if the information you are posting is true or not. More than likely it's NOT true, and more than likely you are WRONG (shock concept to grasp I know). But the rumours YOU spread, the worry YOU create by saying for example Eclipse is blocked with ToT, or Oly is blocked with RaH and Virus or whatever, the fear YOU put in peoples minds are what causes blocks.

HC of alliance C 1: "Hey, did you hear that Alliance A blocked with B?"
HC of alliance C 2: "****, we may be in trouble, let's start talking with Alliance D just in case.

Despite the rumours being false, we now get:

HC of alliance A 1: "**** sake, C is working with D against us"
HC of alliance A 2: "Gah, we're gonna have to sort something with B"



It's a simple concept to grasp, but something you lot have difficulty comprehending.

SHUT THE **** UP


It's YOU that causes most blocks through rumour mongering and scare mongering. Some ****tard tells you something false because he knows you're an AD troll and will rush there to post and get the attention from breaking the news. In the meantime the hype it creates allows the creator to make the block he wants with justification.

STAY OFF AD. SHUT THE HELL UP. DO US ALL A FAVOUR.

[Anakin]

Agreed, 110% on the money.

Winner.

[Aryn]

pet: would you like to mod ad? :P
i agree with pet.

[K-W]

Thanks Silversmoke for bringing back another of the worst parts of planetarion. Cant you people play one round without spamming the forums with lies in order to get the universe to win the round for you? I mean seriously.

[hydridia]

nice point petru... always funny to watch though

[Scouse]

I used to think rumour spreading in your favour was a valid tactic to get people either on your side, or fighting your enemy.


I haven't forumlated my opinion yet given the nature of this round. However, Petru is correct in that rumours and half-truths do occasionally force big decision that affect everyone in PA.


If people truely believe they are telling the truth due to evidence they have seen then I would'nt expect them to stand back and let the blockers win just for the sake of the game, to stop more creation of blocks. Alliance HC's never have, and never will.



No doubt some monkey will accuse Petru (and anyone who replies agreeing) of making this thread as a way of passing off the blocking his own alliance is part of.

[K-W]

Scouse I think there is a place for rumors and half truths. But in this situation the subject is an outright lie.

Lies are certainly valid. So is criticising them. I just hope by now people are intelligent enough to be skeptical of info. I still remember past rounds where people bit hook line and sinker into complete fabrications and were very easily manipulated into playing for the interests of others.

[SPQR]

It's just like a self-fulfiling prophecy...

[Psi_K]

I'm confused.
Vision has ties with Oly?
Why didn't anyone tell me.
*Shakes fist at HC*

Seriously now, some people are complete morons, why do they try to blatently lie on the forums expecting to get away with it ...
I'll never know

[AlbinoSquirrel]

Petru4tehwin!

[Zh|l]

Hardly rocket science.

Considering my replies so far to all the block hype threads, I doubt I really need to say I agree.

[Obfuscator]

I'm not convinced that Silversmoke or Yeh actually know any better.

[hAl]

If there is ever a reason to cooperate then look at the top of the universe, find out who is in charge there and then work together to bring them down. Then say bye bye to each other and give it a fair fight for those top places again.

hAl

[Morden]

Originally posted by hAl
If there is ever a reason to cooperate then look at the top of the universe, find out who is in charge there and then work together to bring them down. Then say bye bye to each other and give it a fair fight for those top places again.

hAl

it doesnt work like that, and by saying that you show you lack the experience in this sort of deelings.

all that would happen is:

Alliance A is on top.

Alliance B&C work together to take down A.

Alliance B&C are on top and stay allied.

Alliance A&D&E&F&G&* attack B&C then stay allied for a while and wipe out B&C totally, then they kick one alliance at a time resulting in Alliance A winning.
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Any sort of blocking will only cause more blocking to counter it, when Alliance HC's finally get to grips with this and the fact that they dont need every man and his dog in order to win then we might eventually see a block free round.

Tho tbh they'd be better off just banning 90% of the AD posters so they can read but not post, and most post nothing but unproductive bollox.

[at0mic.c0w]

Originally posted by Scouse
No doubt some monkey will accuse Petru (and anyone who replies agreeing) of making this thread as a way of passing off the blocking his own alliance is part of.

of course what else. u saved me some time typing this btw.

[Maddix]

Seems to me all the 'rumours' started via a Yeh post. Surely that is evidence enough that its total crap?

[Provider]

Originally posted by Petru
They say that some things never change. And oh so true of Planetarion.

You know, this is to all you "block hype" mongers, ie, Yeh, SilverSmoke, and anyone else agreeing with them (okay, so noone in their right mind would believe a word Yeh says, but the point is valid).

This is the message....

It doesn't matter one bit if the information you are posting is true or not. More than likely it's NOT true, and more than likely you are WRONG (shock concept to grasp I know). But the rumours YOU spread, the worry YOU create by saying for example Eclipse is blocked with ToT, or Oly is blocked with RaH and Virus or whatever, the fear YOU put in peoples minds are what causes blocks.

HC of alliance C 1: "Hey, did you hear that Alliance A blocked with B?"
HC of alliance C 2: "****, we may be in trouble, let's start talking with Alliance D just in case.

Despite the rumours being false, we now get:

HC of alliance A 1: "**** sake, C is working with D against us"
HC of alliance A 2: "Gah, we're gonna have to sort something with B"



It's a simple concept to grasp, but something you lot have difficulty comprehending.

SHUT THE **** UP


It's YOU that causes most blocks through rumour mongering and scare mongering. Some ****tard tells you something false because he knows you're an AD troll and will rush there to post and get the attention from breaking the news. In the meantime the hype it creates allows the creator to make the block he wants with justification.

STAY OFF AD. SHUT THE HELL UP. DO US ALL A FAVOUR.

Idea is good. But I doubt that any serious HC will believe and act on a post from AD.

[ParraCida]

Petru you disappoint me, any HC that takes AD serious instead of their own intel isn't worth leading anything.

You'r little theory might be amusing, but any decent alliance, if there is such a thing left, will have their own contacts and intel and know how to make a judgement call on their own.

So you can stop handing out pitchforks and torches now.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by ParraCida
Petru you disappoint me, any HC that takes AD serious instead of their own intel isn't worth leading anything.

You'r little theory might be amusing, but any decent alliance, if there is such a thing left, will have their own contacts and intel and know how to make a judgement call on their own.

So you can stop handing out pitchforks and torches now.

I was gonna make a very similar reply to Petru's theory but I noticed Parra surprisingly summed it up for me.

Petru, you're probably right and all but any HC taking those rumours from AD as a true fact are imo not competent enough to lead an alliance.

What annoys me the most though, is that instead of reasoning and proving those pple wrong, most of you look for the more insulting and humiliating tactic.

They don't start this blocking mania just for the sake of it. They probably saw some stuff and they concluded it must have been a block. Now any normal human being would prove he's wrong, you on the other hand go insult him and everyone agreeing.

What are you trying to accomplish? that only those agreeing to your oppinion can post on these forums? well then yes Aryn, get Petru as mod cause then we don't have a DISCUSSION board anymore, cause what's to discuss if only pple agreeing can post?

rgds Kj

[Hostile]

Its surprisingly hard to form effective blocks with random gals.

[lokken]

Half of you probably are probably a slice short of a loaf like Petru says tbh.

heh

[Petru]

Parra and Kjel, although I really do want to agree with you by saying that no credible HC believes the hype from AD........it really really is wishful thinking at it's best

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Petru
Parra and <edit>Kj</edit>, although I really do want to agree with you by saying that no credible HC believes the hype from AD........it really really is wishful thinking at it's best

Maybe you had some really bad experience with the HC's you worked with or maybe you just want to be a doomthinker, dunno ...

But I for one do not base my decisions on AD nor do I believe that any decent HC does.

Guess if you're an optimist then pple claim you're a wishful thinker

rgds Kj

[K-W]

Heh, those of you questioning whether stuff posted on AD can have an effect on alliance policy must have a pretty short memory. AD has played a very large role in shaping the attitudes and opinions of HC and alliance membership for a very long time.

[lokken]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
But I for one do not base my decisions on AD nor do I believe that any decent HC does.

I doubt that any HC takes AD to heart. That doesn't mean that AD doesn't give them food for thought, however.

AD does have its uses, it is not just some idle discussion forum where people speculate.

(Edit: And I agree with Germania's post above, heh)

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by lokken
I doubt that any HC takes AD to heart. That doesn't mean that AD doesn't give them food for thought, however.

AD does have its uses, it is not just some idle discussion forum where people speculate.

(Edit: And I agree with Germania's post above, heh)

I know AD gives us stuff to think about and to discuss, but I know that I don't base any decision based on what's posted on AD.

For instance if AD claims someone is cheating or some alliances are blocking, would any GOOD HC immediatly remove that player or start blocking himself?

He'll probably start to gather more intell and verify whether what's posted is true or not, but in this case you'll base you final decision on what intell and facts you gathered, not on what has been posted on AD.

So I rest my statement, imo a decent HC does not base a decision on stuff posted on AD. He might start thinking about stuff but in the end the decision is based on other facts which hold more truth then a simple AD post.

rgds Kj

[lokken]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
....

Yes, you proved my point. An HC may well consider a decision based on what is posted on AD. As he would with any other piece of information.

That means in some aspect AD DOES have some influence over HC's decisions as with any other source of information. If you are really good at building up stigma/paranoia, AD can effectively become a weapon along with ships.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by lokken
Yes, you proved my point. An HC may well consider a decision based on what is posted on AD. As he would with any other piece of information.

heh, you're twisting my words Lokken, I never said that so I hope you're not plain lying here

nway, no a good HC does not base a decision on AD. AD might get him to search for verification or other facts. Once you have those, you'll make a decision.
Ofc is AD says alliance A blocked with B and C and you look for prove and more intell and verify those facts, then yes what is said on AD is true. But then you didn't blindly follow what's been said on AD.

Maybe you get influenced by AD but I know I never have been when it comes to making decisions.

I think you proved I cannot generalize this, so I'll speak from myself as according to you there alot of fooled pple getting manipulated by AD ...

AD is not nor will ever become a weapon against me or whatever decision I take, simply cause I don't get my decisions influenced by AD, UNLESS what's been said is true ofc, but like Petru (whom you ALL agreed to) claimed, 90% of what you say on AD is false, so ....

rgds Kj

[Maddix]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
Maybe you had some really bad experience with the HC's you worked with or maybe you just want to be a doomthinker, dunno ...

But I for one do not base my decisions on AD nor do I believe that any decent HC does.

Guess if you're an optimist then pple claim you're a wishful thinker

rgds Kj

One word: Virus

[lokken]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
...

Then explain those who went along with the lines Deus spouted in r6 then. (I've tried to avoid using this point, but sense I'll have to use it)

And it's not in anyone's interest to lie in AD, as if they get found out it all comes crashing down upon them. Truth has to exist to some degree, in order to maintain some kind of credibility.

[hAl]

Top owned gals
1 13 1 CEREBUS -12.75% -33.67%
2
3
4 19 1 [1love] No Way Out [c19] -11.63% -25.46%
5 15 1 [1love] We. r BaB00n -3.82% -23.08%
6 35 1 [1love]Incognito[b35t] 0.77% -18.54%
7
8
9
10 17 1 [17th] Iron Fist [1love] 2.32% -15.06%
11 45 1 [1love]ShatteredParadise[c45] -1.65% -16.94%
12
13 27 1 [1love] Up and Running [3³] 6.19% -17.36%

7 in first 13 top owned gals are from para 1 where having more than one gal up there gal is already bad day for a para.
Almost all those gals seem to have had multiple waves.
I wonder what alliance is capable of such destruction ALONE.

hAl

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by lokken
Then explain those who went along with the lines Deus spouted in r6 then. (I've tried to avoid using this point, but sense I'll have to use it)

what lines did Deus Spout then? plz refresh me there cause I got no clue what yer talkin about

rgds Kj

[Nitros]

Originally posted by Petru
STAY OFF AD. SHUT THE HELL UP. DO US ALL A FAVOUR.

nothing to add

[Cicada]

that p1 hit does look suspicous though

[Gerbie]

I was involved in one attack. It was a coincidence it took place para 1. I don't know about the other 6 attacks though.

[Yeh_of_Arcanum]

Samething happened in p9 too, so there surely is atleast some sort co operation in attacking with some alliances.

[Knight Theamion]

Originally posted by Yeh_of_Arcanum
Samething happened in p9 too, so there surely is atleast some sort co operation in attacking with some alliances.

most intel directorates are working so the weak galaxies will be slaughtered first.

[Wrath of Azure]

Originally posted by hAl
Top owned gals
1 13 1 CEREBUS -12.75% -33.67%
2
3
4 19 1 [1love] No Way Out [c19] -11.63% -25.46%
5 15 1 [1love] We. r BaB00n -3.82% -23.08%
6 35 1 [1love]Incognito[b35t] 0.77% -18.54%
7
8
9
10 17 1 [17th] Iron Fist [1love] 2.32% -15.06%
11 45 1 [1love]ShatteredParadise[c45] -1.65% -16.94%
12
13 27 1 [1love] Up and Running [3³] 6.19% -17.36%

7 in first 13 top owned gals are from para 1 where having more than one gal up there gal is already bad day for a para.
Almost all those gals seem to have had multiple waves.
I wonder what alliance is capable of such destruction ALONE.

hAl

none, not alone

[hydridia]

me thinks that either dread and his many many accounts are to blame or para 1 had a lot of enemies....

para 1 guys slagging of dread could mean both are to blame

[Maddix]

Originally posted by Yeh_of_Arcanum
Samething happened in p9 too, so there surely is atleast some sort co operation in attacking with some alliances.

Maybe all the big mean nasties in para 9 decided they wanted to eat all the sweet and innocent little newbie babies, Fury style?

[Razorback]

or the true Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf style:

"No No the 4 alliances working together in 4 paras is not true and planetarion servers are stable, like always!! "

[hydridia]

as always focht a real conversation ender that one :P

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by Cicada
that p1 hit does look suspicous though

I'm sure "Presario" knows more about it, whomever that might be.