Creators Hour today

[BlueArmy]

Ok, after seing the first 20 questions I'm just annoyed. Half of the questions was from Woze and they were only bs. Yet they were important enough to be asked at creators hour. I've realised why there's only need for 1 channel now and not 3-4 like we had in earlier rounds. THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING USEFUL TO LEARN! only thing today was the fact that they've removed overburn for the next round.. which was a good thing..
and it wasnt the same having Kloopy and Prince running the CH, I miss Spinner/Fudge/Zeus already..

this is going downhill....

And dont have a 1 hour CH if u dont have the questions to run more then a 10min one..

-BlueArmy

amen.

[Tomkat]

Woze is my hero.

[Iceaxe]

go woze go

[Frizz]

god this is a boarding creators hour....

[hAl]

Well, you can't expect miracles on their debut really.
Btw, whoever complains about the quality of questions or learning not enough news I suggest you start making some questions of your own.

hAl

[Jester]

Originally posted by hAl
Well, you can't expect miracles on their debut really.
Btw, whoever complains about the quality of questions or learning not enough news I suggest you start making some questions of your own.

hAl

I did.

Jester

[Kloopy]

Hehe, I hear what you're saying, but I -did- say in CH that we didnt choose this weeks questions. If the person who did choose them wished to admit to it on this here thread, I'm sure they will.

I'll give them a slap for next week.

Kloopy

[A2]

Personally I blame the coder of the bot and the "not very random randomness" that caused them to all come up one after another. Scattered about a bit you wouldn't have noticed.

I'll give them a slap for you next week

[Mong]

Originally posted by BlueArmy
I miss Spinner/Fudge/Zeus already..

Only Zeus has left dear.

Anyway, what ruined it for me was those idiot [SS] (St4rsphere) spammers.

M.

Originally posted by BlueArmy
and it wasnt the same having Kloopy and Prince running the CH

It's better to have Kloopy and Prince doing CH than to have no one doing CH.

[Hicks]

Debateable.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Parksy
It's better to have Kloopy and Prince doing CH than to have no one doing CH.

The problem is there doesn't seem to be anything to talk about.

'What about changing R9?' questions: We're busy on R10 so we aren't going to change that.
'What about R10?' questions: It's too early to talk about R10--we've just started on it.
'What about game administration (payment, etc)?' questions: That's up to Jolt and they haven't said yet.
'What about nifty new feature XYZ?' questions: No way for R9; we're thinking about something like that in R10 but we can't talk about it yet.

Once you've eliminated those topics, what else is there to talk about? :/

Originally posted by Tactitus
The problem is there doesn't seem to be anything to talk about.

'What about changing R9?' questions: We're busy on R10 so we aren't going to change that.
'What about R10?' questions: It's too early to talk about R10--we've just started on it.
'What about game administration (payment, etc)?' questions: That's up to Jolt and they haven't said yet.
'What about nifty new feature XYZ?' questions: No way for R9; we're thinking about something like that in R10 but we can't talk about it yet.

Once you've eliminated those topics, what else is there to talk about? :/

That's true--it would be much better to have all the Creators and anyone else important there answering questions. I'm just saying that it's better to have them there to possibly answer questions than to have CH ignored completely (as we have seen quite often in the past).

[hAl]

Originally posted by Tactitus
The problem is there doesn't seem to be anything to talk about.

'What about changing R9?' questions: We're busy on R10 so we aren't going to change that.
'What about R10?' questions: It's too early to talk about R10--we've just started on it.
'What about game administration (payment, etc)?' questions: That's up to Jolt and they haven't said yet.
'What about nifty new feature XYZ?' questions: No way for R9; we're thinking about something like that in R10 but we can't talk about it yet.

Once you've eliminated those topics, what else is there to talk about? :/

You forgot: How about the new stats ? Will the Xans be altered for r9?
That is up to Spinner;
The stats will not be available untill 1 day before signup

Still there might be more to talk about.
Like for instance:
Who does the new PA (creaotrs/development/management) team consist of and what are their responsibilities in the team ?
Could the new (relativly) team members introduce themselves on portal or forums ?
What was up with the Sim-tech thingy and what is the relationship of them to jolt ?
Will the PA forums be integrated with Jolt forums or stay separate ?

That was about 2 minutes of brainstorming and it seems that one could come up with dozens more questions. And no, I'm not going to submit these myself as I saw that my suggestions were copied pasted in CH questions by others before.

hAl

[Kloopy]

See the portal announcement

i understand that spinner is a busy man with getting r9 ready and working on r10, but its just one hour. he doenst have to do anything but answer the questions so is it that much of a hassle to do a ch? no offense to those who have been doing ch as of late, but the idea of asking questions is to get answers and if several questions have to be forwarded to spinner each week does it not make sense to have him at least available during that time?

[RealJames]

Originally posted by Parksy
It's better to have Kloopy and Prince doing CH than to have no one doing CH.

I agree. It was damn annoying not having any CHs in R8. I also think people should cut the new creators some slack, they've taken on a big job with a very whingy clientelle.

However people have to realise that the creators just can't be expected to answer questions about R10 and have to accept that there won't be a lot of changes between R8 and R9, no matter how good the suggestions are.

tbh CH may as well be a 'status update' session, rather than a Q&A until we get ticking, or at least close to.

[Kloopy]

I think this should clear up some points about not enough detail and interaction. As for Prince and I doing CH, you best get used to it, unfortunately we're all there is to do CH. Until Spinner gets his net access sorted again, at least.

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...hreadid=157771

[BlueArmy]

I'm very happy to see that the PA team reading the posts and actually caring about what we say.

And i think i was a bit understood with my first post, i didnt say i didnt want kloopy and prince to do the CH.. i just said i missed Zeus/fudge/spinner.. i'm a bit melancholic...

And there's not a need for weekly ch's until the game opens for sign up i think..

and i hope SS players wont come to PA, cause SS sucks :P

[Al_zz]

Originally posted by BlueArmy

and i hope SS players wont come to PA, cause SS sucks :P

Oi, do you want to take out our entire alliance. How mean !!!

hAl

[Dr_Zaius]

I think the problems should be nicely combatted with the new creators hour style! Maybe a little triggered by woze pmpl!

[Bashar]

Originally posted by Dr_Zaius
I think the problems should be nicely combatted with the new creators hour style! Maybe a little triggered by woze pmpl!

This is something Kloopy has been considering for a while. It has often been commented that the creators (through their fault or through the person asking the questions fault) don't always answer the question that the person asked/tried to ask, and often, the answers are unsatisfactory/vague. This is just a way of combatting that, and also allowing the person who asked to express a view on the response to the question, and if the question was mis-understood, it offers the option to the person of saying - "no, that isn't what I meant, what I meant was.........".

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Bashar
This is something Kloopy has been considering for a while. It has often been commented that the creators (through their fault or through the person asking the questions fault) don't always answer the question that the person asked/tried to ask, and often, the answers are unsatisfactory/vague. This is just a way of combatting that, and also allowing the person who asked to express a view on the response to the question, and if the question was mis-understood, it offers the option to the person of saying - "no, that isn't what I meant, what I meant was.........".

If you really want to improve communication with the players then perhaps you might consider another medium? If the creators participated on the forums--as they once did, long ago--then people could ask long and detailed questions and ask follow-up questions.

As far as I can tell, the only "advantage" of the CH format is that it limited the creators interaction with players to a scant one hour per week. Trying to "improve" CH is a bit like trying to improve the horse and buggy--there's only so far you can go.

[Bashar]

Originally posted by Tactitus
If you really want to improve communication with the players then perhaps you might consider another medium? If the creators participated on the forums--as they once did, long ago--then people could ask long and detailed questions and ask follow-up questions.

As far as I can tell, the only "advantage" of the CH format is that it limited the creators interaction with players to a scant one hour per week. Trying to "improve" CH is a bit like trying to improve the horse and buggy--there's only so far you can go.

The creators are participating in the forums a bit more now, well, Kloopy is, I have seen quite a few posts from him on the boards since he became a creator. I count 3 posts from him on this thread alone, so that comment was hardly justified.

And as far as your horse and buggy analogy goes - it is a rather strange one to say the least. The point of the new format is not to improve creator-player interaction, it is to improve the quality of the answers given at CH, and give the person who asked the question a chance to respond to the answer, and state an opinion on it. Creator-player interaction is completely different, and if you think there should be more of it, then speak to Prince, I think it probably is his responsibility. I can assure you though, the creators aren't trying to avoid the community. The easiest way to speak to them though is IRC, if you go into #planetarion, and PM them (they are not always oped/voiced), they are quite happy to talk to you.

[Tactitus]

Originally posted by Bashar
The creators are participating in the forums a bit more now, well, Kloopy is, I have seen quite a few posts from him on the boards since he became a creator. I count 3 posts from him on this thread alone, so that comment was hardly justified.

Yes he has posted a bit and it'd be good to see a lot more of that. I'd also like to hear from Spinner and Fudge too.

And as far as your horse and buggy analogy goes - it is a rather strange one to say the least. The point of the new format is not to improve creator-player interaction, it is to improve the quality of the answers given at CH, and give the person who asked the question a chance to respond to the answer, and state an opinion on it. Creator-player interaction is completely different, and if you think there should be more of it, then speak to Prince, I think it probably is his responsibility. I can assure you though, the creators aren't trying to avoid the community. The easiest way to speak to them though is IRC, if you go into #planetarion, and PM them (they are not always oped/voiced), they are quite happy to talk to you

I don't need (or want) to talk to the creators privately. I'd rather post questions publicaly to them on the forums so others can read the responses and join in also.

[Kloopy]

Wheee. Hello everyone. Bashar is right, the intention of changing Creators Hour was that people get to tell us if we're not giving enough detail in our answers and to correct us if we interpret questions incorrectly.

I admit, it might not work at all, but I thought it was worth a go.

Oh, and I'm surprised noone has ranted at me for the bot a) Not accepting questions and b) not being around much

There are two bugs at the moment, working to remove them now.

Kloopy

[Kloopy]

Right, I think thats the bugs fixed... you lot just have to ask it stuff now.

/msg CH ask <your question>

At once, ta.

Kloopy

[Dr_Zaius]

Nice little website! lol!

[Kloopy]

Hehe, ta. I saw the domain was available and just had to get it!

[Bashar]

Originally posted by Tactitus
Yes he has posted a bit and it'd be good to see a lot more of that. I'd also like to hear from Spinner and Fudge too.

I don't need (or want) to talk to the creators privately. I'd rather post questions publicaly to them on the forums so others can read the responses and join in also.

Well, the way it has seemed to work best in the past to me is a question in creators hour, and then if further discussion is needed, a post on the forums to start that further discussion. But discussing every question that every member of the community wants to ask on the forums as you are suggesting is to be perfectly honest ludicrously impractical. The creators job is creating a game, and if everyone asked questions to them on the forums, then the forums would be cluttered, and the creators would be spending all their time reading the forums. At least with Creators hour for questions it does restrict to an extent the time that creators need to spend going through questions due to the fact that it gets them all in the same format in the same place at the same time. It is far quicker and far more efficient, and if there is a follow-up discussion needed, it can be had on the forums.

I hope you see my point. At the minute, the forums are rarely used for questions to the creators, if it changed so that they were the primary contact with the creators, then they would become very cluttered very quickly, and a lot of the questions would be crap, and the creators would have to dedicate so much time to it that they would have no time for actually making the game. I have seen the list of questions for CH before it has been checked and had some removed, and some are just plain pointless spam. Believe me, the boards would deteriorate in such a situation too.

I seem to remember a question to the players forum, is it so hard to bring it back? The creators should be able to pick up on the questions the community want answers to, then they post about it in their controlled forum and it's discussed.

Wouldn't take alot out of their day, and even if it did sometimes it's better than just ignoring the community, the people who pay their wages.