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Unread 17 Jan 2007, 02:49   #1
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The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

A good 5th race looked like an endless search to many who tried to find a new concept. The Eitraides idea is simple enough to work. When you feel 'why didn't I think of it before ?' it usually means it's good.
Of course balancing the stats with a 5th race is a challenge when we can't balance a 4 race universe, but the solution is maybe in unbalancing it even more...
As it is displayed on the stats it is worth trying, I'm waiting to see the race bonuses in research, construction, etc...
Even the name sounds ok. It has a smell of 'Hatred' for the warmonger, and a feel of 'Atreides' for the more litterate. Definitely a good mix.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

terrs, caths, xans, ziks, Eits,.. ? could work interesting mix, also putting the init on their stealer BEFOPRE that of the ziks,.. gud choice It'll be an interesting round on many levels with so many changs to take into account for,.. should be good
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Yeah let's add the Harkonnen as well when we're speaking of warmonging, will spice things up!

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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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Yeah let's add the Harkonnen as well when we're speaking of warmonging, will spice things up!

Only if i can have those spice worms as units

We'll see how it fares in the betas though. Im just worried it'll be hard to balance the universe with the added complications
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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A good 5th race looked like an endless search to many who tried to find a new concept. The Eitraides idea is simple enough to work. When you feel 'why didn't I think of it before ?' it usually means it's good.

Yeah. It's a good concept, a guy called toot was ranting about it a lot a few rounds back.

Oh, balance. Yeah, if I'd be bothered to be worried about balance, I might be. The set of stats as it currently will go through dramatic changes yet, and if it doesn't, balance certainly isn't on the top of things interesting on the admin side.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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Yeah let's add the Harkonnen as well when we're speaking of warmonging, will spice things up!
Reckon the Eit will be able to build House of Ix?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Maybe it's just me, but what's with the Eit (sorry, Etd) ship names?

Someone needs to put their thesaurus back on the shelf and start reading comics or something.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

what, the cry of "1k vendors are coming at us" isn't scary enough ?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

"Its a Cart Stampede again!!"

The theme with the Eit shipnames were obviously business/market/entrepeneur type names, like vendor and ranger (who used to be a bit dodgey back in the middle ages) etc. the Baliff was a bit of an interesting one, i thought they were in-court security and as such dont quite fit the theme - but who cares? mine is not to question why, only how much .
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

You gotta love the patchwork solutions our PA Team comes up with. Everyone's begging for a new race, so let's just give it to them, and have it be a mixture of the other races, and not actually come up with anything new or unique to the new race (Edit: Other than the names).

It's almost like doing the Zik's work for them, instead of having to steal cloaked or emp ships, they can make there own, and then have ships to go steal more. At least it may cut down on farming as people who usually play zik won't need to have cat or xan planets that they get there ships from.
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balance... sigh :crymeariver:
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

only thing i dont like about the new race is the short name "etd", you cant really say it fast, you gotta spell it :/
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

they should change it to "Eit"

Xan/Cat/Zik/Ter = all the first three letters of the races, Etd for some reason was chosen over Eit.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

I quite like them, but then i saved for the battleships, and at eta 14 and 94k res each the baliff is awesome. just plain unstoppable. The thing that weakens them though is that the Tycoon is quite a weak ship offensively.
etd (eit)= good idea!
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

it's all about the etd frigates really.

they are going to mock terrans longtime.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Tbh, i don't think Etd adds that much. They may even have helped making the stats more defensive as having more races using the same six existing ship classes will most likely lead to more free firing defence options, eventually making the game more defensive and thus less 'actionpacked'. I might not be completely right here, as stats making is not my specialty (thank god), but thats the main problem i see here. The idea is nice, implementation seems to have gone a bit to fast.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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The thing that weakens them though is that the Tycoon is quite a weak ship offensively.
Tycoon is quite a weak ship offensively? You don't have the slightest clue what you are on about, do you?
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they are going to mock terrans longtime.
And Ziks, and if the eits mass enough FR, they might be able to flak out medium sized Caths too.

Dealers are going to be awesome fun ... just started building another 100

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Tycoon is quite a weak ship offensively? You don't have the slightest clue what you are on about, do you?
Of the six ships that target BA, the Tycoon targets all the frigates and has the initiative advantage. Its slightly less powerful in terms of damage dealt than the cath/xan frigs, but its got boatloads of armour.

My reservations with the BA fleet are that the two destroyers and cruiser arent targeted by the fleet, unless you send your own cruisers (to target the DE, even then at the init disadvantage and adding another class) and/or adding Dealers. The only way to make the BA fleet really effective is to actively steal Terran BA and add them to yours - and with stealing being 1:1 this round, i think personally that it will be alot of effort and wasted resources chasing a pipe dream. Those who manage to pull it off though will have a strong fleet. Frankly, the Eit FR fleet seems to be just so much stronger; Dealers kill Syren fairly well, but have init (and swarm) advantages, Dealers have a much harder time kill marauders, but again because a huge proportion of your fleet will be Dealers and with the init advantage again, you'll be able to take on any ziks who arent focusing on marauders to do well. Attacking eit and/or Xan is a bad idea, and the FR fleet is wide open to Xan Apparition def, but hopefully all of those will be out on attack and thus not really available for universal def . Lots of games of chicken, though .
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

The name's just a rip-off from Dune, right?
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Of the six ships that target BA, the Tycoon targets all the frigates and has the initiative advantage. Its slightly less powerful in terms of damage dealt than the cath/xan frigs, but its got boatloads of armour.
Yes, this is all I wanted, I don't mind the rest of the drivel. Initiativewise, tycoon equals a xandathrii ship. Damagewise, it competes with xandathrii frigates. It's definately one of the top notch attack ships of the round, and when an Etd manages to steal (farm) some battleships with one of the best steal ships of the round, you've got dragons to add to it. Just look at the pathetic terran BS fleet, what, three zero-loss frigs over four races? Please. Tycoon, weak? Please.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Going for Etd BS only is missing on the real advantage of this race.
With FR you take Ter and Zik
With BS you take Xan and Etd
and ofc you can always find a Cath missing the key ships to stop you.
The key is to ensure a steady income to be able to build both roiding fleets, and try not to suicide your ships even for XP.
Etd is not a race that will go for top 10 at tick 200, but it could be up there later... when it matters.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Definately. Especially with the huge advantages they get on racial. The salvage thing is plain wicked. And there's no real "drawback" attached to it.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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Agree, the only race that can pretty much roid every other race and even the opposing etd's, considering all the other things like racials..
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

being able to target the 5 races is a huge advantage when it means you can counter any attacker (even Cath coz they attack you with the ships they need to def themselves).
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

hm tycoon vs shadows,, cmon do i really have to say more? balance my ass. are you sure the stats was beta tested?

sorry, shitty stats in a shitty round, what can go wrong?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

well... I find ETD to be just ****ING AWESOME race.

BOTH of their roiding fleets rock.
One terrorizing Zik and Ter planets (FR)
while another raining hell on Xan's shadow fleet.

ye. tycoon vs shadow is not even a close challenge and i am deam happy about it. otherwise ETD BS fleet would have been worthless in its entirety
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

kind of like the xan frig?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Yeah, kind of. But still not quite that useless.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

well use the tickstop to up shadows armour or damage so its usefull to build the damn crap :/ but noooo thats not gonna happen as they have to agree they fuked up stats in the beta

xan should have big bang for the buck but weak armour -> kill enough shadows or pay the price thingie, this is just a joke dammit :/
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Yes, xan is completely useless. And man, 22 xans in top 50 is shit. Every race should have like 30 planets in top 50, that'd be balanced stats!!

Yes, I agree xan frigates are useless. But the race needs a weak spot. The stats are indeed horrible, but xans aren't exactly the ones who are most justified in complaining.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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Yes, xan is completely useless. And man, 22 xans in top 50 is shit. Every race should have like 30 planets in top 50, that'd be balanced stats!!

Yes, I agree xan frigates are useless. But the race needs a weak spot. The stats are indeed horrible, but xans aren't exactly the ones who are most justified in complaining.

think a bit longer than tick 250 and do the same analysis again atm its kinda easy to xpwhore vs etd but not for long

edit: you nub that is the value rank, that is kinda useless atm
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think a bit longer than tick 250 and do the same analysis again atm its kinda easy to xpwhore vs etd but not for long

edit: you nub that is the value rank, that is kinda useless atm
Value rank would show which race is the most able to hold on to their roids, and is therefore more relevant than score rank, don't you agree?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Eit PIE!


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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

local hillbilly humour? well i dont get it anyway but i think shadows and tycoons should swap innit asap.

kinda odd that all betatesters picked etd means they didnt test the stats for balance
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

The stats we now have show how much betatesting had to do with stats balancing, screwed up process can only lead to screwed up results.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Screwed up statistics put through a screwed up testing. Is it now (screwed up)^2?
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

My 2c after returning from a long break from PA has been nothing but positive (well apart from running my FR fleet against some def, a bonus actually cos I then focused on my BS fleet)
Etd have emp, clocked and stealing ships (well one anyway), while some people might think this is a disadvantage I would disagree. I have never been a fan of Xan, especially early in the round due to the clocked ships. But later in the round a Advanced scan removes that advantage. This doesn't effect the Etd as much as the Xan. The vendor (emp) is an excellent ship for def in the early part of the round (and still is to a limited extent).

Finally we get to the merchant, which someone mentioned earlier in the thread is a good stealing ship and the only anti-BS defense Etd have.

If I have one complaint it is the weakness against BS. But then again I think the 5% tax for universe trading and greater salvage almost makes up for that.

NEway finished my first post. Have a great round everyone no matter what race you are.
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

i have been away from PA for a while and was surprised to only see one new race but then when i thought about it i was like well maybe it is a good thing as it means that the tradition of PA is still going and i chose to be this new race to see what it was like and i have had mixed fortunes with it but i believe that it is a good mix and like all races has its strengths and weaknesses. so i think overall a good surprise and i am enjoying playing as them
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Re: The Eitraides, a good surprise ?

Well could it just be possible that the stats were purposely designed to make the new race, in this case Etd, better than the four traditional races. Otherwise people might not play the new race and not like the idea of adding a fifth race into the game. Especially since it's just a combination of the old ones instead of an original idea.
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