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Unread 31 May 2007, 00:11   #51
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i know you can play STALKER online, although i am currently only playing the single player missions, finding it highly enjoyable though, apart from the times when i get jumped by shitloads of bandits, bastards that they are.
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for what its worth I can read written English and as such MrL's post was absolutely fine (although he could have shown more love for the common hyphen or semicolon).
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Thanks Dave

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(i can't believe anyone wrote something helpful rather than bitching about eve online ...)
Then let me attempt to write something useful.

EVE Online is a very pretty game, you wouldn't have thought flying through endless solar systems was actually beautiful in a way but it is although i'm not sure you buy a game for its scenic tours.

To begin with it is quite interesting although after a few days gets a touch repetitive as you are limited by your skill points (although they have fixed this since I had my trial). I think EVE can be good fun but only if you get past the first few weeks grind. If you are set up with a corporation that will help you get out of empire space asap you will get the most out of the massive complexity of EVE.
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Unread 31 May 2007, 19:07   #55
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Then let me attempt to write something useful.

EVE Online is a very pretty game, you wouldn't have thought flying through endless solar systems was actually beautiful in a way but it is although i'm not sure you buy a game for its scenic tours.
i quite like just running/riding around in wow
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Unread 31 May 2007, 21:02   #56
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I think you've got "me" and "you" confused; I don't see how the ability to escape a PvP fight if the person attacking you ****s up* makes Eve a bad game. With its much greater distinction between combat and non-combat ships than you find in most MMOs (WoW, for example, where every class is combat orientated) a basic, free, frigate with a peashooter could take out nigh on every industrial or mining ship in the game.

*And I do mean ****s up; there's a reason why Burn Eden, one of the best PvP corps in the game, puts warp disruptors on its battleships.
The ability to escape battle just by clicking "warp" is pretty retarded, it's like allowing people to teleport/hearth out of battle in WoW (yes, Paladins can do this but only if they have bubble off cooldown and it can now be dispelled).
As for the warp disruptors, I was unaware of their existence as I hadn't looked into the game in depth as the game as a whole doesn't appeal to me very much. People should be able to escape PvP battles but not with such ease.
See you're assuming that I claimed that EVE was a bad game due to the ability to warp out of battle, I was merely questioning the PvP system which Nadar claims to be far superior to all MMOs.

And yes, you are a shit troll because your previous post was nothing more than a poor bit of trolling.


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I don't see how the ability to escape a PvP fight if the person attacking you ****s up* makes Eve a bad game.
I don't understand, surely your opponent ****ing up means you win?
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Unread 31 May 2007, 21:51   #57
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And yes, you are a shit troll because your previous post was nothing more than a poor bit of trolling.
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The ability to escape battle just by clicking "warp" is pretty retarded, it's like allowing people to teleport/hearth out of battle in WoW
Or run away, which is something that rogues (say) can do. So can warlocks, priests and mages. So can hunters, and warriors. The aforementioned paladins can, so can shammies. Druids, of course, can as well.

Basically, if you have any form of slowing attack, speed boost or CC at all (which all classes do) you can escape in WoW, assuming that they don't kill you before you can make enough use of this. The same applies in Eve. Even without a point a heavy assault cruiser would be able to blow up a mining barge before it even came close to warping off.

The comparison with hearthing is also pretty disingenious. A hearth is a 60 minute cooldown teleport to a given friendly location, taking all your gear and whatnot with you. Warping is the standard mode of transport in Eve, with its realistic astronomical scale - whilst the fastest ships in the game can move faster than 10km/s, that's not really going to get you far when the stargate to the next system can be over 100AU away, or about 14,959,800,000km. It really would be a slow paced game if moving to the next star system took the quickest vessels in the order of 50 realtime years. Warping is more analagous to mounts, if mounts increased your speed by 14959800% instead of 280% (or whatever).

There is no mechanic in Eve to let you teleport your shit safely, from anywhere, to an area where you're functionally invincible. If someone warps off (if they're not in a Covops ship, but they're a notable exception, designed for scouting) you can follow them, if you haven't stopped them already. You can get to safety by going to a station (either player owned or one of the dockable ones) but they don't exist in every system (and aren't friendly to everyone unless you're in NPC space) and as previously mentioned you really should be stopping people warping off anyway if you're serious about combat.

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As for the warp disruptors, I was unaware of their existence as I hadn't looked into the game in depth as the game as a whole doesn't appeal to me very much. People should be able to escape PvP battles but not with such ease.
I hope you didn't mean this to come across as one argument, but christ this paragraph makes you sound like an idiot. You couldn't be bothered to investigate the (extraordinarily simple - anyone can tackle within a few hours of starting the game) game mechanic which stops people running off because you don't like games in which people can run off? Eve has a steep learning curve and everything, but this really is the basic shit.

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See you're assuming that I claimed that EVE was a bad game due to the ability to warp out of battle, I was merely questioning the PvP system which Nadar claims to be far superior to all MMOs.
Questioning, and getting your answer. It's not a problem - it adds tactical variations, it means that an entire ship class (inderdictors, which really DO stop you from warping off whilst you're in range of its bubble, no way to get around it) isn't obsolete*, it means that non-combat ships (the previously mentioned barges and industrials, for example. Shuttles, too. Carriers if they don't have any drones, but that's something of their own problem) can do something other than sit there and die if they get attacked by anything with a gun fitted, from the free rookie ships up.

You're continuing to ignore the fact that Eve doesn't have the same class dynamics as WoW, where everyone has some form of offensive ability, and killing things or being in groups that kill things are the only way to get ahead in the game. Eve properly has the concept of a non-combat ship. Ships which have terrible defenses and no weaponry, but can mine better than combat ships fit for mining or have larger cargoholds. Characters specialised for mining, refining or production rather than tanking, healing or dps (which you can also specialise in).

This is part of the reason for the more complicated economics model in Eve. In WoW, you never get beyond a simple barter system. Eve is probably the most economically sophisticated game out there.

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I don't understand, surely your opponent ****ing up means you win?
Not if you're in a ship which is incapable of fitting any weaponry.

*I know that this is putting the cart before the horse a bit, but it still applies: if you don't want people to be able to warp off, there are several game mechanics to stop them doing this**. It's like complaining that someone ran away from you when you tried to gank them in WoW because you refused to move.

**Warp disruptors. Interdictors. Anchorable bubbles. Hell, even just ramming their ship works against something suitably slow, assuming they aren't enormously more massive than you are.
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I wasted a year and a bit playing WoW, if I had to waste that time I wish I'd wasted it on EVE, the whole idea is so much cooler EVE seems to have everything I dreamt a MMORPG should have plus it's in space !

I'd never waste anymore time with MMORPGs though, they suck way too much time, I much prefer playing a bit of Supreme Commander or CS Source (although Quake Wars and Crysis soon !) now and again than having the pressure of being comitted to something as always seems to happen MMORPGs.
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How can you compare EVE and WoW guys I mean one has SPACESHIPS and the other has wizards and swords and stuff they're COMPLETELY different. This is total WHACK.
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How can you compare EVE and WoW guys I mean one has SPACESHIPS and the other has wizards and swords and stuff they're COMPLETELY different. This is total WHACK.

Really, they're nothing like eachother dude.
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As for the warp disruptors, I was unaware of their existence as I hadn't looked into the game in depth as the game as a whole doesn't appeal to me very much. People should be able to escape PvP battles but not with such ease.
See you're assuming that I claimed that EVE was a bad game due to the ability to warp out of battle, I was merely questioning the PvP system which Nadar claims to be far superior to all MMOs.
You make it sound like it's a LOT easier to escape battle than it actually is. People ALWAYS fit warp disruptors on their ships when they're fitted for PVP, so both ships are actually keeping the other from fleeing. You can counter this by; 1) Put WCS (warp core stabilizers) on your ship which makes it harder for the enemy to warp disrupt you, BUT this will pretty much f*ck your ability to kill anything as a WCS gives penalties (such as lower lock/targeting range) or 2) Having a fast-ship setup so you can outspeed your enemy; but this will decrease your damage output and your enemy can counter it by using his Stasis Webifier (Which reduces your speed with 78% up to 90% (depending on which webifier you use).

Please don't talk more about things you don't have a clue about, or at least make some research to backup your arguments with, Kila :/
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Kila is pretty stupid.

In inty hunting groups, we'd mix our setups so some would have -1 and -2 while other had webbers or jammers, depending on the inty.

We killed so much F-E, PA and co. when ATUK were in Venal.

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also yahwe if you want to play eve i can guide you, i don't have my good accounts anymore but i have a 5mil sp inty pilot i think
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also yahwe if you want to play eve i can guide you, i don't have my good accounts anymore but i have a 5mil sp inty pilot i think
I'm not convinced by eve by the simple fact that you stopped playing it :/
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Re: Mmorpgs

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We killed so much F-E
F-E were nice for target practice. I remember when F-E had sovereignity and claimed Geminate (a 0.0 region), we (MM) were located in low-security space near Geminate. F-E may have had a claim over Geminate, but we controlled/ruled it
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Re: Mmorpgs

i stopped playing it because i didn't have time to play it having come to spain, and i also sold my accounts because i needed the money for spain, it's a good game, but you need to people to help you get into it and establish yourself otherwise it's a difficult game to get into
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Kila is pretty stupid.

In inty hunting groups, we'd mix our setups so some would have -1 and -2 while other had webbers or jammers, depending on the inty.

We killed so much F-E, PA and co. when ATUK were in Venal.

those were the days
How much of this was actually, you know, real words?
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yeah that's total WHACK too
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How can you compare EVE and WoW guys I mean one has SPACESHIPS and the other has wizards and swords and stuff they're COMPLETELY different. This is total WHACK.
Star Wars has spaceships and swords and wizards (using the force) !!
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Maybe we should all just play Star Wars Galaxies then and stop with this charade of a debate!
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Re: Mmorpgs

StarCraft 2 (online) is gonna be the next big thing.

When SC2 comes out the WoW community will instantly die.
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StarCraft 2 (online) is gonna be the next big thing.

When SC2 comes out the WoW community will instantly die.
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Maybe we should all just play Star Wars Galaxies then and stop with this charade of a debate!
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Noone should play SW:G.
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