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Unread 6 May 2007, 18:38   #1
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Oh Come On

this is just taking the piss. I hate these people, just invading every aspect of society and draining al the goodness out of it like a ****ing parasite.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years time if a 23 minute (30 minutes with adverts) long show takes up an hour long slot on the tv. A few seconds extra of adverts here and there and soon it's half of the tv time. It already takes up approximatly 25% of tv. It won't be long before it's 50%.

****ing bastards!

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or conversely we might start to appreciate the artistic merits of advertising
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Yeah it would be terrible if the singles charts became just a bunch of meaningless adverts for cheesy merchandise and lifestyle propaganda.
Yeah, this.

Why does it matter whether the people writing the latest catchy pop singles are working for an advertising company.
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how is it any worse than most of the rest of the trash commercial pop around nowadays
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Re: Oh Come On

Whilst the fast-ffod song is horrenous, it is obvious what it is. this song has more of asybliminal message which makes it more difficult to identify aspropaganda.

Whilst a lot of the songs are shitty, they are designed to sell singles. this shitty song is designed to sell sing;es and hai products. It's taking it to the next level of exploitation.
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If they would spend the same amount of time and thought on the 23 minutes as they do on the 7, I wouldn't mind the 7 so much.
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Re: Oh Come On

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years time if a 23 minute (30 minutes with adverts) long show takes up an hour long slot on the tv. A few seconds extra of adverts here and there and soon it's half of the tv time. It already takes up approximatly 25% of tv. It won't be long before it's 50%.
I hope it hits 95% to be honest, with pop-ups on the screen during the programming and product placement being both obvious and integral to whatever plot is left to watch.

Complaining that commercial TV and music are full of commercials seems retarded. Do you buy "The Voice of Freedom" (BNP newspaper) and complain they don't seem to be giving many columns inches on advice to Pakistani immigrants on how to bring their wives and children into the UK? Or that the Financial Times doesn't spend much of it's time telling it's readers how to claim income suppport?

Given the range of alternatives available to most people nowdays (the internet, local libraries/community groups/etc, 'zines) if you're still wasting your life with mainstream (non-edited) tv or radio then I hope you're enjoying every last drop of faeces they shove down your throat.
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IGiven the range of alternatives available to most people nowdays (the internet, local libraries/community groups/etc, 'zines) if you're still wasting your life with mainstream (non-edited) tv or radio then I hope you're enjoying every last drop of faeces they shove down your throat.
I dont think I've ever encountered a zine that doesnt read like it was written by failed English students whove just taken a politics 101 class; the thought of these people doing films/TV series is hilarious.

Adverts are a fundamentally stupid way to structure TV programming; a subscription/pay-to-watch model is better since it avoids having everything ruined by constant interuptions. The 'hurr why not just download it' argument is even dumber though since it doesnt seem to realise that most decent programs have a reasonable budget and they arent going to get made anymore if they cant even break even let alone make a profit.

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With enough people contributing you decrease traditional media's advantage though. And the plurality of sources available on the internet allows for a broader range of opinion. You just need better bullshit filtering skills.
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With enough people contributing you decrease traditional media's advantage though. And the plurality of sources available on the internet allows for a broader range of opinion. You just need better bullshit filtering skills.
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Hebdomad must learn to, NOT start sentences with an "And". I am correct in this.
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I'm guilty of starting sentences with "And" very often, I think it's a bit of a bad habit.
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I dont think I've ever encountered a zine that doesnt read like it was written by failed English students whove just taken a politics 101 class; the thought of these people doing films/TV series is hilarious.
Why would they need to make a film or tv series?
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The 'hurr why not just download it' argument is even dumber though since it doesnt seem to realise that most decent programs have a reasonable budget and they arent going to get made anymore if they cant even break even let alone make a profit.
This presumes that on an individual level you should care about the long-term sustainability of the TV/film model.
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There is nothing wrong with starting sentences with "And". As long as it scans correctly its perfectly acceptable.
Sorry. No. You don`t work for the Guardian News paper do you?
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Using And at the start of sentences is fine as long as its done properly.

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You were talking about TV shows.
My phrasing was dreadful on reflection so I apologise. What I meant was there are alternatives to mainstream radio/TV - which includes things like the internet generally, 'zines, local theatre, etc. The total amount you have to listen to TV/radio isn't fixed, and TV is in competetion with any number of entertainment based activities. The total amount I watch TV (including downloaded stuff) has probably gone from about 30 hours a week when I was 15 to about maybe 4 (when the good US shows are in season) nowdays.

You're right though : At present, amateur TV isn't (generally) of a high enough quality to be a credible alternative for most people (there are exceptions - Pure Pwnage - while very uneven stands up to some mainstream TV and in fact, is going to be shown on national Canadian TV). Improvements in technology will make things a lot easier - if you had a flexible/scriptable game engine and a decent voice synthesizer system (presumably both a matter of time) then it would be dramatically easier for a group of dedicated individuals to produce something which would easily compete with some commercial TV without much of a budget (aside from people's time). Some of the better blogs out there are already comparable to newspaper columns, people can produce music from consumer-level equipment (albeit of limited variety) and open-source software in some areas aren't behind their commercial offerings by that much.

Film will be the hardest to emulate simply because of the scale of most enterprises. But T&F and a friend of ours made a feature film (which I think they would be the first to admit had it's faults) as two people in full-time employment (one as a doctor working 60+ weeks) with no film training and a level of editing software knowledge charitably estimated at limited*. Things that cost movies money (e.g. the use of locations) can be used for free if you use social capital - so they needed an empty flat for some shooting, I asked my employers to use a empty property for an afternoon, no problem).

But yeah, for now - TV & film is largely the domain of big media unless you want to watch 45 second clips of girls in their bras lip synching to some pop song on YouTube. But while scheduled commercial TV is in the dreadful state it's in I can't understand why anyone wouldn't read a book, or use the internet, or indeed put a knitting needle through their penis instead (unless they're old/disabled/etc).

* = Our friend wanted to put a scene of a few seconds in reverse (for some reason or another). Not realising there was a function to do this, he manually moved 500 frames one by one, until he had the desired result. That gives you an idea.
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Without adverts I wouldn't know which products to buy when presented with lots of colours and selections in shops. They are a good thing!
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Proper English has its uses but language grows and evolves and its important to adapt. Now of course there is misuse of language and that is a different manner.
Indeed; when you beak the rules it's evolution but when someone else does it it's misuse.

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If you are going to say that starting sentences with "And" isn't acceptable then you might as well start clamping down on people using "don't" and "wasn't" in posts, too. That isn't correct English, as such, yet we still all do it.
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If you are going to say that starting sentences with "And" isn't acceptable then you might as well start clamping down on people using "don't" and "wasn't" in posts, too. That isn't correct English, as such, yet we still all do it.
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I think it would be fun if we had a Académie française type body which could get officially angry about changes in the English language.

ps. On the issue of "wasn't"/"don't"/etc - in my job, a selection of any letters we send out are audited and if they find we say things like "was not" or "do not" (instead of wasn't/don't) we're given a low score - the purpose being to make all correspondence as informal as possible. The team which collectively has the highest score for it's letters each month get's a special certificate. (I'm not joking )
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If you are going to say that starting sentences with "And" isn't acceptable then you might as well start clamping down on people using "don't" and "wasn't" in posts, too. That isn't correct English, as such, yet we still all do it.
I've never thought starting a sentence with 'and' was somehow correct but even if it turns out that there's some rule that says it's fine (or the absence of one saying that it's wrong) there're generally more elegant ways of committing thoughts to page than

And then I went to the park.

And it was sunny.

And then a man bought me an ice cream.

And the man was very nice.

But he touched my naughty place.

and so on. Of course that's not generally the way it creeps in (unless you're, you know, writing about Dace) but hey.

I don't generally criticise other people's writing because it's a personal thing and the way you've written something often conveys as much meaning as the actual meaning of the words you've used. Getting hung-up on grammar is probably pretty stupid, but everyone should be capable of conducting themselves in a fashion that doesn't scream 'I'm a thoughtless jackass' when writing. Properly written prose demonstrates consideration for the reader; it's only polite.
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If you are going to say that starting sentences with "And" isn't acceptable then you might as well start clamping down on people using "don't" and "wasn't" in posts, too. That isn't correct English, as such, yet we still all do it.
What could possibly make you think that "don't" and "wasn't" arent correct English?
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I've never thought starting a sentence with 'and' was somehow correct but even if it turns out that there's some rule that says it's fine (or the absence of one saying that it's wrong) there're generally more elegant ways of committing thoughts to page than
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Its used for emphasis, and in context its generally the most elegant way of writing things. You shouldnt just use it for random sentences though. There arent any 'rules', it either just feels right or it doesnt (Hebdomad's original usage in this thread felt pretty unnatural).
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Its used for emphasis, and in context its generally the most elegant way of writing things. You shouldnt just use it for random sentences though.
But I don't get to wedge them in often enough =(
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What could possibly make you think that "don't" and "wasn't" arent correct English?
:shrug: it wasn't a very good example.

My point was that as long as a text flows, then "and" is ok to use as the start of a sentence. Using it repeatedly obviously doesn't help the text flow.
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What could possibly make you think that "don't" and "wasn't" arent correct English?
In Junior School my teachers used to say 'can't is not a word'. Now, I'm not sure if that was to do with good English or some kind of positive reinformcement, but they were wrong either way.
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In Junior School my teachers used to say 'can't is not a word'.
so your teacher was as dim as tomkat ... what of it?
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If someone wrote me a formal letter filled with "can't" and "don't" I wouldn't be very impressed.
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so your teacher was as dim as tomkat ... what of it?
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What could possibly make you think that "don't" and "wasn't" arent correct English?
Just offering a potential solution.
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