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Unread 4 Jan 2007, 11:35   #51
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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I'm not too sure about this. If you mean would act the same as he did if they had exactly the same upbringing of him, exactly the same life experiences and maybe even his DNA then sure, maybe - but that's a bit of a tautology. I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't have been so cruel or murderous - and in fact, I doubt most people would have got into the position he was in - getting into power requires certain talents most don't possess.
I think that most people (albeit probably less than 90%) who found themselves in Saddam's situation as dictator of Iraq would have done similar things to what he did - he was merely protecting his position by killing off his opposition.

I'm just not really a fan of capital punishment (despite arguing for its merits in a different thread) so I oppose it in most cases - as for the situation in Iraq, it won't make any difference at all - he now has as much power as he did when he was captured.
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- he was merely protecting his position by killing off his opposition.
And he was merely being hanged for merely protecting his position by killing off his opposition! Awesome logic.
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Unread 4 Jan 2007, 13:14   #53
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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You mean Saddam was in power, right? Or was your dad the dictator of a small country before moving into North-West London?
The former

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Yeah - no, I knew about the Qu'ran thing. I didn't know what Saddam's views were though - did he view anything he did as "for the greater good"?
I very much doubt it, as there was no Jihad against his victims.

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It's known that you can strangle yourself while masturbating to achieve a more intense orgasm, due to the lack of oxygen in your body. I don't see how being hanged could bring about an orgasm spontaneously though.
Neither do I, but supposedly it's true!

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And he was merely being hanged for merely protecting his position by killing off his opposition! Awesome logic.
Of course he deserved to be punished, you just quoted the part of my post where I was explaining that the image painted by the media of him being inhuman in wrong. Alas, he was punished in the wrong way in my opinion.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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Are you planning to support this statement? Or are you just planning on creating a new religion?
Obviously the reverse is true as well. I just didn't bother mentioning that because you're fat.



PS kila, it doesn't matter what people would or wouldn't do in his situation. It matters what he did and whether or not he vastly infringed on the rights of others to do it.
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Neither do I, but supposedly it's true!
There's only one way to find out for sure !
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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There is a popular myth about sexual stimulation of hanged men, due to the apparent erection some exhibited. The effect is attributed to gravity causing the blood to settle in the legs and lower torso, thereby engorging the penis. (This myth fuels the auto-erotic asphyxiation, a practice that might lead to an accidental death.)
This is all wikipedia, repository of every popular myth ever thought up, had to say on the issue.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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There is a curious logic among some (like the British government) who will happily lock people in a room until they die, put them in a prison where they will be murdered by their fellow prisoners or bomb targets killing dozens of civilians at a time and think this is fine and dandy. But these same people are horrified by pulling the trigger themselves up close and personal. It strikes me as curiously gutless.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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This is all wikipedia, repository of every popular myth ever thought up, had to say on the issue.
I don't know about any of that stuff. However, I will confirm that post mortem decomposition will cause the scrotum to blow up like a toy baloon.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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It's more expensive to kill him than to sentence him to life in prison dude, and he wouldn't have survived very long in prison anyway.
Are you dumb or just playing stupid?

Rope/Drop/Dead/next...
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It costs thousands upon thousands of pounds to keep somebody in prison. You can buy rope from B&Q.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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Are you dumb or just playing stupid?

Rope/Drop/Dead/next...
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It costs thousands upon thousands of pounds to keep somebody in prison. You can buy rope from B&Q.
Haha, ignorance is so great, I love the way people mock others when they don't have the facts

In the USA, it is more expensive to sentence someone to death (and execute them) than it is to imprison them for life

get your facts straight dude
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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In the USA, it is more expensive to sentence someone to death (and execute them) than it is to imprison them for life

get your facts straight dude

source?

i'd love to see that calculation.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

I'm searching for the post in question, but the only thing I have found so far is http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...8&postcount=31
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

Haven't we covered this issue several times?

The way the American's use the death penalty mean that it's vastly more expensive than just life imprisonment. However, I doubt that tells you much about the death penalty per se. I suspect the Chinese are probably a lot more "efficient" in this regard, but that's more of a condemnation of Chinese due process than anything.
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Haha, ignorance is so great, I love the way people mock others when they don't have the facts

In the USA, it is more expensive to sentence someone to death (and execute them) than it is to imprison them for life

get your facts straight dude
There are so many answers to that I dont know which to chose

First off, here's some brand new information you may find useful:

USA != World

Weird huh?

Ok here we go:

"Only because your 'life sentences' only tend to last about 5 years before they're let off for 'good behaviour'"

"During the space race the Americans spent millions of pounds developing a zero-gravity pen. The Russians used a pencil. In an execution, Americans use a lethal mixture of toxins and poisons that have been developed by some multi-billion pound drug company. The Iraqis used rope."

"The irony in your post could sink a battleship. You laugh at my ignorance when you dont even know in which country the guy was hung. Go bother somebody else."

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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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There are so many answers to that I dont know which to chose

First off, here's some brand new information you may find useful:

USA != World

Weird huh?

Ok here we go:

"Only because your 'life sentences' only tend to last about 5 years before they're let off for 'good behaviour'"

"During the space race the Americans spent millions of pounds developing a zero-gravity pen. The Russians used a pencil. In an execution, Americans use a lethal mixture of toxins and poisons that have been developed by some multi-billion pound drug company. The Iraqis used rope."

"The irony in your post could sink a battleship. You laugh at my ignorance when you dont even know in which country the guy was hung. Go bother somebody else."

Take your pick

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...=7#From%20DPIC

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In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%.
That's the first one I saw which was most immediately relevant to your point. And the Americans used pencils too.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

Realistically it obviously all depends on due process and how the prisoners are treated. In the history of silly points though I'd like to point out that the death penalty can cost substantially more than life imprisonment if we keep our prisoners locked up in concentration camps and use them as free labour for building super-highways or exterminating communists or something.
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There are so many answers to that I dont know which to chose

First off, here's some brand new information you may find useful:

USA != World

Weird huh?

Ok here we go:

"Only because your 'life sentences' only tend to last about 5 years before they're let off for 'good behaviour'"

"During the space race the Americans spent millions of pounds developing a zero-gravity pen. The Russians used a pencil. In an execution, Americans use a lethal mixture of toxins and poisons that have been developed by some multi-billion pound drug company. The Iraqis used rope."

"The irony in your post could sink a battleship. You laugh at my ignorance when you dont even know in which country the guy was hung. Go bother somebody else."

Take your pick
Tomkat, are you running your "best post" competition thing? I'd like to nominate this one for sheer idiocy.
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Heartless I dont think I'm going to bother replying to you. I'm trying to put across my views in a constructive but opinionated way. Calling me 'stupid' doesn't add weight to your position, nor does it make me inclined to try and have a debate with you.
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pablissimo, learn english. "Are you playing stupid?" != "You are stupid".

JonnyBGood, no, they developed a space pen. Read up on it, it's quite funny. I read it a couple of years ago, it was a fairly interesting comparisson between each side of the space race and their progress towards their goals etc. And it was KoeN that asked for the evidence, not I. I did not at any stage dispute that kila's 'cost' argument may be valid in America, I observed that he wasn't killed in America, so one should not assume the same rules apply everywhere.

& lol at ur second post.

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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

Yeah cos 'dumb' doesn't mean stupid. Also, get out
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pablissimo, learn english. "Are you playing stupid?" != "You are stupid".
Not to be pedantic (I wouldn't want to steal Jakiri's limelight) but I believe thae correct phrase is:

Are you dumb or just plain stupid?


I'm genuinely not sure if you're being sarcastic but to 'play stupid' would be to pretend to be stupid. You've taken a well-known insult and turned it into a 'proper' question.
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There exists a common rumor claiming that because a standard ballpoint pen would not work in zero gravity (which is false), NASA spent millions of dollars developing the zero-g capable Space Pen, with the humorous note that the Russian space agency opted to simply use pencils. This has been debunked several times, with reasons such as the danger that a broken-off pencil tip poses in zero gravity and the high flammability of both the graphite and wood present in pencils (especially in a pure oxygen atmosphere). In fact NASA never approached Paul Fisher to develop a pen, nor did Fisher receive any government funding for the pen's development. Fisher himself invented it, and then asked NASA to try it. After the introduction of the AG7 Space Pen, both the American and Soviet (later Russian) space agencies adopted it. (Previously both the Russian and American astronauts used grease pencils and plastic slates.)
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There exists a common rumor claiming that because a standard ballpoint pen would not work in zero gravity (which is false)
I think I'm missing something here, but if a standard ballpoint pen DOES work in space/zero gravity, why did Fisher invent a space pen?
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

Because it was assumed they wouldn't work, but then someone actually tried it.
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Re: 2007: A Cultural Revolution

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Are you dumb or just plain stupid?
It's like he's an irony machine. It's also the first time in nearly seven years of forums typage that I've had my English language skills set-upon with such fervour.

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I think I'm missing something here, but if a standard ballpoint pen DOES work in space/zero gravity, why did Fisher invent a space pen?
So thirty years from then people could make stupid jokes about it on something called the "internet".

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JonnyBGood, no, they developed a space pen. Read up on it, it's quite funny. I read it a couple of years ago, it was a fairly interesting comparisson between each side of the space race and their progress towards their goals etc
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Not to be pedantic (I wouldn't want to steal Jakiri's limelight) but I believe thae correct phrase is:

Are you dumb or just plain stupid?


I'm genuinely not sure if you're being sarcastic but to 'play stupid' would be to pretend to be stupid. You've taken a well-known insult and turned it into a 'proper' question.
I know the insult thanks mate, but the reason for my wording was such to ask if he was simply acting out of character. I've not been actively posting for long so I'm not entirely sure who is idiotic on these boards, and who isn't.

I'm getting an idea fairly quickly though

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It's like he's an irony machine. It's also the first time in nearly seven years of forums typage that I've had my English language skills set-upon with such fervour.

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Are you just ignoring phang's post or are you plane stupid?












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Are you just ignoring Kenny's brilliance or are you just plain sailing?

Well that wasn't very good =(
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i wish this thread had suffered a noticeable downturn in quality at any point.
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JonnyBGood, no, they developed a space pen. Read up on it, it's quite funny.
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