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Unread 30 Aug 2006, 16:19   #1
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The Government announced today that they plan to make the possession of violent porn punishable by 3 years in jail.

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It is already a crime to make or publish such images but proposed legislation will outlaw possession of images such as "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury".
This makes little sense to me, as obviously films and tv will still have things like this happening on them. They did clarify this later though.

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The new law will not target those who accidentally come into contact with obscene pornography or affect mainstream entertainment industry working within current obscenity laws.
What I think this means in practice is that it's ok to have violence as long as it's not intended as mastubatory material. That's the only distinction I can see between porn and "mainstream entertainment industry".

I'm pretty appalled at this tbh, though not particularly surprised. The fact that the only opposition to it quoted in the article comes from a lolbertarian is also sad. It looks like another case of blaming someone's craziness on the material they have access to it and of course ignoring the existence of the many thousands who see it as a release and perhaps have been stopped from going off and strangling someone with tights because of it.

The thing is, we are talking about consenting adults (well, I assume so, I wouldn't support the distribution of this kind of thing with non-consenting adults any, ofc) who aren't actually harming anyone. Or if they are being harmed they have accepted it. The aim of the legislation simply seems to be a sop to the crowing masses and another pointless piece of restrictive legislation to take our minds off the real issues! I would kidnap and torture a government minister in order to register my dissapointment, but I have my violent porn to satiate my dark urges
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Re: Violent porn banned :(((

Call me crazy, but I really do think anything that reinforces the link between sexuality and violence is a bad thing. Just as 'bang-bang, be gratefull for what I'm giving you'-American-style-porn is seriously ****ing up youngsters' perception of sex.

These things actually have an effect on people's perception on what's normal long-term, and the number of rapes and the number of wife-abusers is already ridicilously high. Society sucks.
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Unread 30 Aug 2006, 17:04   #3
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Call me crazy, but I really do think anything that reinforces the link between sexuality and violence is a bad thing. Just as 'bang-bang, be gratefull for what I'm giving you'-American-style-porn is seriously ****ing up youngsters' perception of sex.
You won't really find this stuff unless you go looking for it. Or if you do you can turn it off in a moment. Also, is there actually any evidence that porn is ****ing up youngster's perception of sex? Obviously porn sex isn't the same as real sex but that's mostly because people, by and large, don't want to watch "real" sex as you can't see so much. Do you even have any evidence that porn doesn't give people a healthier view of sex? You seem to have just argued from your assumptions rather than questioning them.

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These things actually have an effect on people's perception on what's normal long-term, and the number of rapes and the number of wife-abusers is already ridicilously high. Society sucks.
There's no decent idea of what's "normal" anyway, with sex I suppose you could say that the missionary position is, but I like to think we have moved on from that (the Indians did millenia ago!), all this is simply a hangup from the Victorian age imo. British society especially has a very silly view of sex, seeing it as "dirty" and something to be ashamed of. Making the kinds of sex we can view more restricted is only going to make this worse.

I have no idea what you are saying about rapes and wife abusers, is it going down or up? What is your definition of "ridiculously high"? You aren't really saying anything here.

Also, in my experience, people who have fetishes (whether it be violence, child-porn, rubber, or whatever) aren't able to get rid of them, and they don't appear overnight. I'm not about to become a furry if I watch people wearing fur coats having sex, and to apply it to violent sex seems equally non-sensical.
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Re: Violent porn banned :(((

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Just as 'bang-bang, be gratefull for what I'm giving you'-American-style-porn is seriously ****ing up youngsters' perception of sex.
This might be true, although I'm not sure. You could also make a case that people start off with ****ed up views about sex and this never really changes. If you only had seen sex scenes in Hollywood movies you'd have a pretty ridiculously inaccurate view of sex too.
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While I would agree that the first bit of your statement might be true, the second seems a bit of a non-sequitur. Yes, there are too many rapes (although one would be too many) but I'm not sure you can casually assert that more porn leads to more rapes (or that the two are connected at all). You mention wife-abuse but fortunately domestic violence is one of the crimes that has been coming down in society for quite a long time now (for a range of reasons) and it's not obvious that this is going to suddenly change because of pornography.
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Also, is there actually any evidence that porn is ****ing up youngster's perception of sex?
Besides the the more your see something, the more inclined you are to think it's common, no. It boils down to, 'I think so'
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While I would agree that the first bit of your statement might be true, the second seems a bit of a non-sequitur. Yes, there are too many rapes (although one would be too many) but I'm not sure you can casually assert that more porn leads to more rapes (or that the two are connected at all). You mention wife-abuse but fortunately domestic violence is one of the crimes that has been coming down in society for quite a long time now (for a range of reasons) and it's not obvious that this is going to suddenly change because of pornography.
Mentioning wife-beating was a bit of a stretch, sorry.

But I do stand for the rest of what I said. The reasoning for why I mention rapes is as following:

I think a lot of problems stem from the fairly common view of viewing Women as objects, rather than actual persons. Especially because this is the mind-leap you basically have to do in order to rape somebody without losing your mind. If somebody is violent, and gets of on violence, you especially don't want to re-inforce the woman as thigns to be ****ed/beaten/insert something disgusting here. You want them to realise they're actual persons.

Ultimately, this comes down to a lot of guys being more or less autistic. Small degrees of autisticitiy is very common in males, and we really, really don't want to cultivate these features.. hence, I'm in favour of outright banning both violent porn, but more importantly, in favour of banning stupid porn.
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Call me crazy, but I really do think anything that reinforces the link between sexuality and violence is a bad thing. Just as 'bang-bang, be gratefull for what I'm giving you'-American-style-porn is seriously ****ing up youngsters' perception of sex.

These things actually have an effect on people's perception on what's normal long-term, and the number of rapes and the number of wife-abusers is already ridicilously high. Society sucks.

You're crazy

Personally i think the acceptance of a link between violence and sexuality is the first step in preventing the merging of that in ways we don't want. The acceptance that adults who consent to certain activities should be allowed to whip themselves into frenzy is a pretty fundamental measure of a progressive and civilised society. The law may want certain steps taken to ensure that everyone is consenting and that its all well thought out but nonetheless you should be allowed to take it up the arse whilst being slapped.

This is a silly law by silly people and whilst i can't blame a mother for feeling aggrieved over the loss of her daughter i think the MPs who vote this in deserve to be beaten non-consentually.

Getting excited at the thought of a slap and a kick makes you a bad bad bad person but obviously it ok to laugh at little children getting kicked in the face on YBF let alone the depraved crap that jackass and dirty sanchez do to each other.


My eternal sympathy goes to the person who first gets convicted of this (im hoping they don't try and make an example of them and give a custodial sentence)
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Besides the the more your see something, the more inclined you are to think it's common, no. It boils down to, 'I think so'
I think the avoidance of rational discourse on what you see is a pretty massive flaw in that argument. I may see a lot of beheading videos or i may kill many many people on FPS but illl never be more inclinded to do it than i am no.


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Mentioning wife-beating was a bit of a stretch, sorry.

But I do stand for the rest of what I said. The reasoning for why I mention rapes is as following:

I think a lot of problems stem from the fairly common view of viewing Women as objects, rather than actual persons. Especially because this is the mind-leap you basically have to do in order to rape somebody without losing your mind. If somebody is violent, and gets of on violence, you especially don't want to re-inforce the woman as thigns to be ****ed/beaten/insert something disgusting here. You want them to realise they're actual persons.
****ed/beaten/inserted with a fist whilst doing a ******?

btw women also like violence (extreme holly) and gay men also like bdsm. Its not all hetero.


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Ultimately, this comes down to a lot of guys being more or less autistic. Small degrees of autisticitiy is very common in males, and we really, really don't want to cultivate these features.. hence, I'm in favour of outright banning both violent porn, but more importantly, in favour of banning stupid porn.
Hey man we may be autistic degenerates but at least we're not authoritarian knee jerk 'tards!



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Re: Violent porn banned :(((

I've seen a fair bit of dirty porn but can't think of any where it's been "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury".

does this include face sex? hard anal? whips?

would love to know where the line is....
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I think a lot of problems stem from the fairly common view of viewing Women as objects, rather than actual persons. Especially because this is the mind-leap you basically have to do in order to rape somebody without losing your mind. If somebody is violent, and gets of on violence, you especially don't want to re-inforce the woman as thigns to be ****ed/beaten/insert something disgusting here. You want them to realise they're actual persons.
Should misogynistic books and song lyrics also be banned?
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I think the avoidance of rational discourse on what you see is a pretty massive flaw in that argument. I may see a lot of beheading videos or i may kill many many people on FPS but illl never be more inclinded to do it than i am no.
Cartoons / Videogames are a whole different ballpark. The things you're seeing aren't real enough, so for all practical purposes you can lump them together with books / comics etc as far as influence they have on your mind goes.

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****ed/beaten/inserted with a fist whilst doing a ******?

btw women also like violence (extreme holly) and gay men also like bdsm. Its not all hetero.
Yes, I know; there's plenty of shit going on everywhere. The world is a funny place =)

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Should misogynistic books and song lyrics also be banned?
No, of course not. I'm only slightly crazy.

Seeing and imagining is two vastly different things. It's why the military uses human-shaped targets at target-practice; for breaking down mental-barriers people have against wantomly slaughtering each-other. It's the same deal here, familarity corrodes mental barriers. Barriers that are there for a reason.
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I think a lot of problems stem from the fairly common view of viewing Women as objects, rather than actual persons. Especially because this is the mind-leap you basically have to do in order to rape somebody without losing your mind. If somebody is violent, and gets of on violence, you especially don't want to re-inforce the woman as thigns to be ****ed/beaten/insert something disgusting here. You want them to realise they're actual persons.
I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of what you said* but part of the point is realising they're actual persons, and doing it anyway. Although I admit there are certain aspects of bdsm which might give the opposite message. There's no point dominating something that isn't sentient, I do that every time i sit in a chair.

*As other people have made most of the points I would have.
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Cartoons / Videogames are a whole different ballpark. The things you're seeing aren't real enough, so for all practical purposes you can lump them together with books / comics etc as far as influence they have on your mind goes.

pseduoindecent images of children are also banned in britain.


btw do you think boxing encrourages fighting?
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pseduoindecent images of children are also banned in britain.


btw do you think boxing encrourages fighting?
Both you and Tact have asked obviously stupid questions now.

Watching it? Of course. Anything else is silly. That hardly matters though, as finding somebody to box with is hardly difficult, even if you live somewhere god-forsaken without a boxing club you only need two pairs of gloves and some teeth-protection.

There's a natural outlet for wanting to box; you just go boxing. While there are some girls who turn on getting abused, I'm willing to bet they're dwarfed by the numbers of guys who enjoy abusing. Again, encouring that sort of behaviour is a bad thing.
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I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of what you said* but part of the point is realising they're actual persons, and doing it anyway.
No, there's a whole lot of difference between not sentient, and not regarding them as humans. The question is whether you're capable of feeling empathy for them. It's the same sort of mechanism which enables upper managment to fire hundres/thousands of employees in order to save a few bucks. You're causing a lot of people a lot of distress, but you cope with it by thinking of humans as numbers, and denying them the empathy reserved to individuals.

A rape involves categorizing somebody as 'something I want to subjugate', 'something I want to ****', 'something I want to dominate', etc. It's a basic human defense-mechanism. If you have to do something horrible to somebody, you create a divide between yourself and "the enemy" in order to disqualify him from empathy, and thus saving your own sanity. The human mind is really, really adapt at self-justification.. which in this case, is a really bad thing.

I'm really sorry that I'm coming of as barely coherent here, as I'm reasonably sure I'd get you to actually understand me, if not actually agree, if we could have had this discussion in Norwegian.
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Call me crazy, but I really do think anything that reinforces the link between sexuality and violence is a bad thing..
It's probably not a good idea to pretend that a fairly obvious and universal (?) part of the human psyche doesnt exist just because it makes us enlightened moderns feel very uncomfortable. Trying to repress it and continually telling ourselves that it isnt there seems less likely to work in the longrun than actually dealing with it and allowing it to manifest through outlets where noone is hurt.

Also, from reading the BBC link, am I right that this wouldnt make (eg) rape porn illegal, since that isnt "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury"?

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Seeing and imagining is two vastly different things.
In the kingdom of the blind there is no crime?
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It's why the military uses human-shaped targets at target-practice; for breaking down mental-barriers people have against wantomly slaughtering each-other.
I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to it than that. And if a mere human-shaped target is enough to break down mental barriers than what about FPS video games where you "shoot" targets that have actual faces, and talk!
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It's the same deal here, familarity corrodes mental barriers. Barriers that are there for a reason.
That is the same argument made for banning 'violent' video games.
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Ultimately, this comes down to a lot of guys being more or less autistic. Small degrees of autisticitiy is very common in males.
I missed this the first time, and its very very silly. You're pretty much just saying 'waaaaa, most people dont act/think the way I want them to act/think', and you should probably just come out and say that explicitly if its your actual position rather than trying to dress it up in faux-scientific language. It might be reassuring to think that people who act in deviant ways do so because they are 'sick', but it isnt very honest.

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A rape involves categorizing somebody as 'something I want to subjugate', 'something I want to ****', 'something I want to dominate', etc. It's a basic human defense-mechanism. If you have to do something horrible to somebody, you create a divide between yourself and "the enemy" in order to disqualify him from empathy, and thus saving your own sanity. The human mind is really, really adapt at self-justification.. which in this case, is a really bad thing.
If asked to define the psychology behind murder, or theft, or pretty much any other crime, most people would find this a fairly ludicrous question and insist that it should be treated on a case-by-case basis - statements "all murder is a manifestation of a person's will to power over fellow humans" and "all theft is an outer display of rage against a capitalist system" are thankfully not taken seriously, since its fairly obvious that people murder and steal for very different reasons. Yet its curious that when it comes to rape, many people have no problems making grandiose claims like "all rape is about power", or "all rape stems from the objectification of women", and suchlike. I mean yeah, its a nice t-shirt slogan and will win you points from certain feminists, but do you actually have any evidence whatsoever that it's true?

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It's probably not a good idea to pretend that a fairly obvious and universal (?) part of the human psyche doesnt exist just because it makes us enlightened moderns feel very uncomfortable.
Hey, we stopped clubbing eachother over the head a long time ago. Should we disband laws against beeting the crap out of random people because 'it's a fairly obvious and universal (?) part of the human psyche' too? There's a difference between 'taking into account' and 'pretending it doesn't exit'.
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In the kingdom of the blind there is no crime?
Obviously not . I have two blind friends, and the closest either of them have been to violence is accidently hitting people with their walking sticks.
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I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to it than that. And if a mere human-shaped target is enough to break down mental barriers than what about FPS video games where you "shoot" targets that have actual faces, and talk!
A silhuette of a target and a human being doesn't need to be all that different. Either way, it's the fact that there's actual shooting involved which makes the difference.

In an FPS you might be breaking down the mental barriers against hovering your mousepointer over someone and clicking. There's no element in an FPS which is real enough for it to be dangerous.

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That is the same argument made for banning 'violent' video games.
Except that the banning video game argument is silly. Repetion of reasonably real actions, or repeted viewings of will break down mental barriers.
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You're pretty much just saying 'waaaaa, most people dont act/think the way I want them to act/think', and you should probably just come out and say that explicitly if its your actual position rather than trying to dress it up in faux-scientific language. It might be reassuring to think that people who act in deviant ways do so because they are 'sick', but it isnt very honest.
Oh, come on! Have I mentioned the word 'sick' anywhere?

I've just finished a masters at the top engineering university in Norway.. it's 80% guys there, and all had really good to brilliant grades. I've met enough really creepy guys on preparties.. and they're all borderline autistic. In todays society, it's easy to hide and way to many never get the social training they should (which is another problem), but the bottom line is that there's a whole lot of borderline wackos out there.
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If asked to define the psychology behind murder, or theft, or pretty much any other crime, most people would find this a fairly ludicrous question and insist that it should be treated on a case-by-case basis - statements "all murder is a manifestation of a person's will to power over fellow humans" and "all theft is an outer display of rage against a capitalist system" are thankfully not taken seriously, since its fairly obvious that people murder and steal for very different reasons.
You're right. That statement is a real stretch. Add in a few qualifiers, such as 'most','probably' and my favourite 'it could be argued that*' and it's all good though.


* which I always read as 'it could be argued that (but I'm not bloody going to, since it'd be bloody stupid) bla bla'


This is probably the first time I've tried seriously articulating my opinions on this. I'll probably make more sense next time I try.
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I doubt they did any homework on violent porn before coming to the conclusion that it should be banned
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In an FPS you might be breaking down the mental barriers against hovering your mousepointer over someone and clicking. There's no element in an FPS which is real enough for it to be dangerous.
But eventually, when graphics move forward enough to the point where we have photorealistic graphics then surely you'll support the banning of any videogame which has certain kinds of violence in it, right? I mean, I remember playing a game on the Spectrum (I think) where you had to kick blind people and knock over old woman. If the graphics were realistic enough and the animation, and the sound it might be just like the real thing. Obviously that would need to be banned in your eyes?

The thing is I kind of agree that pornography could be having an effect on people's sexuality. It might be making attitudes towards sex or women worse (I think they had some article on French teenagers where they said their ideas of sex were totally hilariously wrong because most of them thought it would (or should) be something like porn). All these ideas are reasonable - it could be true.

But the point is you're not just saying "Hey maybe we should make less violent porn". You're saying it should be banned. Apparently some people are suggesting a custodial sentence for it. So you're advocating locking people up which is both horrendously expensive and a massive expression of violence / force by the state anyway (you'll probably ruin that persons life to an extent). Now, are you willing to do all this without any real solid evidence to back you up?

Also, if we do want to cut the amount of rapes then there are better ways of doing it. If we look internationally (and at the countries with the most rapes) then I doubt the majority of offences are being committed by autistic engineers.
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But eventually, when graphics move forward enough to the point where we have photorealistic graphics then surely you'll support the banning of any videogame which has certain kinds of violence in it, right? I mean, I remember playing a game on the Spectrum (I think) where you had to kick blind people and knock over old woman. If the graphics were realistic enough and the animation, and the sound it might be just like the real thing. Obviously that would need to be banned in your eyes?
That is the logical conclusion of my current views, so yes. I do hope it won't come to that though.. with realistic motion being so bloody difficult, and getting the light right almost downright impossible (RGB won't cut it, you loose too much information on how light interacts then) I won't be holding my breath for it though.
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The thing is I kind of agree that pornography could be having an effect on people's sexuality. It might be making attitudes towards sex or women worse (I think they had some article on French teenagers where they said their ideas of sex were totally hilariously wrong because most of them thought it would (or should) be something like porn). All these ideas are reasonable - it could be true.

But the point is you're not just saying "Hey maybe we should make less violent porn". You're saying it should be banned. Apparently some people are suggesting a custodial sentence for it. So you're advocating locking people up which is both horrendously expensive and a massive expression of violence / force by the state anyway (you'll probably ruin that persons life to an extent). Now, are you willing to do all this without any real solid evidence to back you up?
I'm perfectly comfortable with discussing other alternatives than banning. I just think the long-term effect potentially warrants an outright ban.

The purpose of banning wouldn't be locking people up though, it'd be removing it from "mainstream" circulation. Ie; remove (or atleast, lessen) the economic incentive of pushing it, and make it a conscious decision for somebody to brave the law in getting it. It's a question of limiting supply. Frankly, I don't care too much that people will break it. If people really want it, it means they actually get off on it, and we're probably better off with them getting it. I just want to keep it from moving into mainstream, and to keep it away from people with 'tendencies' and without partners to practice with.
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You're right.. but I do think the wast majority of offences are made by people with inheretly ****ed up views on women. You know how a lot of guys have concepts of 'female friends' (who're afforded the status of human beings) and 'females they want to ****'. This is objectifying women, and I still think it's the core problem in our society; because the logical implications in what you can do are horrible; and it's terribly, terribly common.
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The purpose of banning wouldn't be locking people up though, it'd be removing it from "mainstream" circulation. Ie; remove (or atleast, lessen) the economic incentive of pushing it, and make it a conscious decision for somebody to brave the law in getting it. It's a question of limiting supply. Frankly, I don't care too much that people will break it. If people really want it, it means they actually get off on it, and we're probably better off with them getting it. I just want to keep it from moving into mainstream, and to keep it away from people with 'tendencies' and without partners to practice with.
Has it ever actually been in the mainstream though? This bill isn't about keeping it out of the mainstream, it's making it a punishable offence to possess it at all. You say that we're probably better off if people who do get off on it get it, so how can you support banning it? Have you ever accidentally downloaded strangulation porn? If not, then why do you care? And if you did, I very much doubt it ****ed up your views on women, you probably just deleted it and moved on.

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You're right.. but I do think the wast majority of offences are made by people with inheretly ****ed up views on women. You know how a lot of guys have concepts of 'female friends' (who're afforded the status of human beings) and 'females they want to ****'. This is objectifying women, and I still think it's the core problem in our society; because the logical implications in what you can do are horrible; and it's terribly, terribly common.
The logical implications are not horrible though. There is no part of the views you just described that has to lead to rape, or even violence. You seem to be worried by the "females you want to ****" thing, which is pretty ridiculous. It makes just as much sense as saying that because people view objects as "possessions I want to own" they will go and steal them, except the women thing is far far worse as it's a more serious crime, both legally and morally.

Oh, and Boogster, thanks for the rep (did you mean it to be positive?) but you said I needed to back up my position in a post where I typed quite a lot of different positions, I'd be happy to answer you if you were more specific.
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Or maybe, just maybe, the view on sex and it's concept is constantly changing. Remember it is, originally, just a reproductive function and (almost) everyone has reproductive urges and sexual moods. How to fill those in is I my opinion more down to upbringing opposed to a 'natural way of having sex'

If some people get turned on by banging their GF senseless doggystyle and she enjoys it and they are both comfortable and pleased with it, so be it. If others get full satisfaction out of being all cuddly and climaxing within 5 minutes of penetration because the cuddly sweet foreplay lasted for 2 hours, who are we to judge?
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This is absolute nonsense, and another fine example of us trying to out-right-wing the americans.
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Re: Violent porn banned :(((

Surely the president for banning things is terrible at best.

I can't believe anybody (even without internet access) would find it difficult to round up that face ****ing video everybody in the pub is talking about.

This could even open up a whole new pirate dvd market with Max Hardcore at the helm.

On top of that I doubt many serial rapist/murderers have been influenced by porn (I know there are claims). No more than their parents treatment of them anyway. Banning bad parents would be a real step forward.
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Nothing has been banned.
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