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Unread 29 Nov 2005, 00:23   #1
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to what extend

i just read this new rule regarding 'support' alliances and though i gotto agree on it i wonder till what extend it reaches and how is being acted on it and acted on those before.
suppose i got planet A and it got the ussual 2k vips and 0 pods i can see that as a support
now suppose planet A got 2k vips and 100 mosquito's and gets on its attack together with planet B from some other alliance then planet A and they get both the roids they should get (ie 50/50).. is that a support? i wouldn't say so..
now say planet A sends for some reason just 20 mosquito's and gets only 10% of the roids it should get... is it still support?
what i want to say basicly here is that the concept of 'support' is a rather loose something and also dedicates nothing that Planet A has to be member of Alliance B. I could see though how planet A with pure vipers and no roids and always defends Alliance B could get closed but still it got a lot of space.
another thing is now we got this rule which still isnt that clear but atleast dedicates in certain extend that support isnt allowed are those who got closed without the actual rule being there getting re-opened? or do they stay closed even while there was not such a rule yet?
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Unread 29 Nov 2005, 00:51   #2
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Re: to what extend

its up the the MHs.

They consider each case seperatly afaik.

So, if u know them or know someone that know them..chances are nothing will happen, while if u dont, or u got some -connections- they think u shouldnt have, chances are you / the support planet gets closed.

Stupid rule, and stupid way to enforce it imo.
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Re: to what extend

the rule isnt in reagards to attacking at all, its planets that only build say mass vipers and then defends just the same planet/alliance all the time, and the evidence suggests that the planet there to get round the alliance size limits
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Re: to what extend

Define Support planet Stifler.

The MHs can now close planets escorting also, atleast thats how I have interpreted it.

correct me if I am wrong.
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Define Support planet Stifler.
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(f) Support Accounts are accounts which are dedicated to undertaking specific
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planet/organisation, where an organisation is defined as an alliance or galaxy.
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The MHs can now close planets escorting also, atleast thats how I have interpreted it.

correct me if I am wrong.
Not sure about this, I assume only if its constant and always a number of much smaller planets attacking with 1 large planet
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Re: to what extend

Yes, thats what I was reffering to also.

Attacking as a part of an alliance while not being a part of it. That will ALSO give u an unfair advantage according to the EULA.

Also, escorting can be a specific and repeated action.
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Re: to what extend

i would assume it depends on the case then, and how often it occurs . As well as the different sizes of the planets attacking

Although has anything been said about escorting?
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the rule isnt in reagards to attacking at all, its planets that only build say mass vipers and then defends just the same planet/alliance all the time, and the evidence suggests that the planet there to get round the alliance size limits

this would also include scanners, no?
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i would assume it depends on the case then, and how often it occurs . As well as the different sizes of the planets attacking

Although has anything been said about escorting?
As I said in my first post, it is all about case to case. which imo is V wrong, and will just lead to conflicts / whining.

Nothing has been said about support planets being allowed to escort either. I m guessing the mhs would close if support planet escorted.
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Re: to what extend

my idea aswell. if there is a rule the rule should be very clear in what it states. in this case stating that there are 'support' planets which give 'benefit' can be everything varying from me accidently sending 1 spider (to take it into extremes) up to sending over and over my fleet to defend/attack together with somebody without getting any bennefits of this myself nor being in his certain group.
if this EULA change would be clear then it would simply state you arent allowed to defend anybody besides your gall/alliance. in the end actually making clear that you support somebody in attacking is rather impossible as its not possible to say weather you are supporting unless the support really doesnt make any benefits. but then what would be wrong to keep sending ships to a certain place just for fun.
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Re: to what extend

Just out of interest....

* Could support alliances be "wings" of other alliances, at which point closure would occur
* Text book defintion would see NAP'd alliances supporting each other, at which point closure could occur
* Alliances attacking the same gals without knowing (happened quite a lot this round), could be seen as supporting each other, at which point closure could occur
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Re: to what extend

its easy to get around this eula.

All support planets for Alliance X make an Alliance Y

Alliance Y and Alliance X have an 'agreement' to help each other

The EULA needs to be updated to stop any interaction.... this includes a/s/l in irc chans

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