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izverg · 4 Jul 2003, 07:16

Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

The_Joker · 4 Jul 2003, 07:20

you tell 'em

Storebo · 4 Jul 2003, 07:21

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

Winners write the story books =)
A win is a win. A loss is a loss.
And imo LDK isn't as alone as they claim =)

Fifth_teletubbie · 4 Jul 2003, 07:23

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

Thats funny, I didnt expect you to start whinging after telling the rest of the universe not to whine for weeks.

Bootlord · 4 Jul 2003, 07:25

LDK rocked all your arses this round. So don't be hardheaded just admit it. This doesn't imply the rest of the allies was crap or inactive.

LDK R9,5 > *

period...

starbreeze · 4 Jul 2003, 07:25

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

no offense but um..
wp, eclipse, tot, oly, rah, fang is 6 not 5 ^^

Iceaxe · 4 Jul 2003, 07:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Storebo
Winners write the story books =)
A win is a win. A loss is a loss.
And imo LDK isn't as alone as they claim =)

57 defending fleets at the #2 planet alone, 41 at cyphers (so far) and with the supposed member count of ldk at about 100 members they would have quite a hard time raising the amount of defenders seen alone. (Obviously each big planet also has a good deal of mates not in the alliance but they only make up so many)

Unf_Slasher · 4 Jul 2003, 07:34

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

LDK got my respect for playing this round as they did, but politically you did a piss poor job mate....

and concerning the attack on sliekas: 700k from the first wave (54 fleets total) came from 1 alliance, i know because i counted and calced them myself.
so spare me the conspiracy theory

izverg · 4 Jul 2003, 07:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Unf_Slasher
LDK got my respect for playing this round as they did, but politically you did a piss poor job mate....

and concerning the attack on sliekas: 700k from the first wave (54 fleets total) came from 1 alliance, i know because i counted and calced them myself.
so spare me the conspiracy theory

should i remind that at nearly same time not only sliekas got attacked?

Lord_Thunderball · 4 Jul 2003, 07:37

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

This is like germany claiming to win the WO II
Or Iraq vs Kuwait

Since all country's where needed to stop them....

Jeez do understand... If you start on top... Be prepared to be smacked down.... All allaince's want themselfs on top.. They can only make this happen by beat the #1.. As soon as LDK is vanquished(IF this happens) other alliance's start a next war...

YOU ARE #1 AT THE END of a round... Not during... It doesn't matter if you where #1 till #100 midround... If you lose at the end.. U used wrong politics... Pissed off to many people, and dug your own grave...

And why would other alliances care about alliance's who are #2, or even lower.... People are fighting for topspots(that's LDK) not runner up...

Ofc as single alliance you are the best... But THAT ISN'T enough to win a round...

Now plz get you heads out of the dirt... And be proud enough to admit... That the "we piss off everybody" cause we are strong enough to beat all... Politics is not the best...

All vs LDK like action, reaction...

ALL didn't start
LDK start when the pissed off all other people with there superior arrogancy...

Flame ahead.. You know this is true...

I used 3 times the wrong politics in speedround.. 3 Times my Galaxy was #1 during first day....
3 times we where smacked down by all others.. Claiming victory.. Bull****..
The 4th time we played different, didn't start at top... But won <-- Politics > LDK

Tesla · 4 Jul 2003, 07:40

Bit surprised here and disappointed izverg.. Claiming moral victory is lame 2x :-/
The victorius side is the ones that end on top.. Not saying u guys wouldnt deserve to end on top, not saying u guys wont end on top and nor am I saying that the odds arent/are unfair.
Facts:

- LDK has shown a lot of arrogancy lately, bragging and beeing ****s about it in LDK public chans and on pa forums.. That gets u enemies (trust me.. I would know

).

- The one that ends on top won the round, noone cares who dominated it as that would be yesterdays news. Storebo would know all about this (lo round 6

)

- I also must say that if Xanadu was still around wivout LDK and I was HC id join in on the LDK beating. Why try to go up against something u dont have a chance in hell against ? That is retarded at the least. This sort of 'block' has happened just about every round in planetarion history, the difference is that this time its haveing atleast *some* effect =)

Other examples of such 'blocks' (altough this round isnt a block):
r2 - Everyone vs. Concordium (Legion)/Fury
r3 - Everyone vs. Legion
r4 - Since it started out wiv a block war, nothing like this really happened.
r5 - Same as r4 though everyone suicided on Yeh

r6 - Same as r4 (FoS is enuff to be called 'everyone' though). Could say that XeTa got twatted the same way.
r7 - Same as r4.
r8 - Here is a classic example on the same scenario that we have now, when the game went down everyone was ganging up on Titans/LDK/Virus.
r9 - Same as r4

Check out the pattern.. This everyone vs the dominating alliance scenario is something that happens in every random round.. Whereas every private galaxy round has been blockwars and thus no such thing has occured..

There is pros and cons wiv everything, live with it =)

Tesla

Storebo · 4 Jul 2003, 07:44

hehe.. true Tesla.. maybe I'll support LDK after all in this.. And together we'll march towards pa-hq and I'll claim my round 6 t-shirt :P

cypher · 4 Jul 2003, 07:49

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Originally posted by Iceaxe
57 defending fleets at the #2 planet alone, 41 at cyphers (so far) and with the supposed member count of ldk at about 100 members they would have quite a hard time raising the amount of defenders seen alone. (Obviously each big planet also has a good deal of mates not in the alliance but they only make up so many)

be4 you open your mouth.. check the alliances on my defenders. and how few are actually ldk

dipstick.

Zh|l · 4 Jul 2003, 07:49

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

So you are telling me LDK has over 300 members?

LDK using the word "honour" is enough to reduce me to tears :/

And no, I don't dislike LDK, and infact think you are extremely skilled but there are far too many dubious things for LDK to claim to be alone and "honourable".

Hala · 4 Jul 2003, 07:52

Well i've not been following whats going on that closely, but from what I have seen it looks like LDK is holding their own at the moment, or if they are losing it doesn't look like it will be over b4 the 19th when the round ends.

I think LDK should get some respect for being politically inept enough to get 6 alliances to cooperate against them... PLD

HOPupNdown · 4 Jul 2003, 08:05

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Originally posted by izverg
Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
[/b]

LOOOOOOOOL
LDK and their massive escort 2mil planets , teh winnars!
i guess pigs will start flying soon too .

Bootlord · 4 Jul 2003, 08:26

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Originally posted by Tesla

Other examples of such 'blocks' (altough this round isnt a block):
r2 - Everyone vs. Concordium (Legion)/Fury
r3 - Everyone vs. Legion
r4 - Since it started out wiv a block war, nothing like this really happened.
r5 - Same as r4 though everyone suicided on Yeh
r6 - Same as r4 (FoS is enuff to be called 'everyone' though). Could say that XeTa got twatted the same way.
r7 - Same as r4.
r8 - Here is a classic example on the same scenario that we have now, when the game went down everyone was ganging up on Titans/LDK/Virus.
r9 - Same as r4

Check out the pattern.. This everyone vs the dominating alliance scenario is something that happens in every random round.. Whereas every private galaxy round has been blockwars and thus no such thing has occured..

There is pros and cons wiv everything, live with it =)

Tesla

R3 was mainly Fury vs. Legion. rest didn't matter really :P
R8 ponints to the 3 alliances and ldk alone \o/

Rest of rounds i agree but its not very common to bash one alliance. Bashing a individual is common happens several times in a round. That's just taking out a certain planet with your BG or alliance. Now these attacks are not the revolt type on Ish. These are not n00bs and random guys attacking. These are organized attack on LDK with help of alliances that all said to be solo. First the cheating propaganda, now asking your former enemies to help. hahahaha

Perhaps it better to have the english parliament style next round HC of all allies? Like 50% on one side the other on the other side

Fifth_teletubbie · 4 Jul 2003, 08:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Bootlord
R3 was mainly Fury vs. Legion. rest didn't matter really

Did you play the same round I did?

R3 was Fury and Lego dominating everyone, and sweeping away RB when the excuse presented itself (and rightly so).

That little bit of bitchslapping after WP broke away was little more than a prop for R4, R3 was effectively over a long time before then.

Tesla · 4 Jul 2003, 08:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Bootlord
Now these attacks are not the revolt type on Ish. These are not n00bs and random guys attacking. These are organized attack on LDK with help of alliances that all said to be solo. First the cheating propaganda, now asking your former enemies to help. hahahaha

sigh.
Firstly I ask again: What would you do then ? Let LDK win just to be honourable ? heheheh.. 'Honour' is the most crappy expression PA ever adopted; ITS A ONLINE, TEXT BASED WARGAME.. WHAT THE FCK HAS HONOUR GOT TO DO WIV ANYTHING ?!
Furthermore: This aint a block, its a cooperation to take down the totally dominant, and grown outta proportion alliance that LDK is. If they manage to do so wiv the little time they have left ofc they will start hit eachother again. There is a huge 'if' there, I for one dont think they will manage to take em down.. A few planets ? Maybe. Will LDK still win the round ? Yes. I give them a 80% on winning the round and ending wiv top gal and/or planet. So honestly you have nothing to whine about.

Tesla

PS. Its not like we don't still hit eachother.

ComradeRob · 4 Jul 2003, 08:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Bootlord
Perhaps it better to have the english parliament style next round HC of all allies? Like 50% on one side the other on the other side

You mean like the old two-block system that everyone has been complaining about since r4?

Sure, if you want to go back to WTFVE vs NoCeX or FLVTT vs NEWX, then I am sure it could be done.

This rather confirms my opinion that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; in other words, people will always complain about the way things are, and claim that things used to be better back in the old days, forgetting that they used to complan just as much back then. You wanted a round without predefined blocks, and now you have it. You're only complaining because people are making things hard for you.

Storebo · 4 Jul 2003, 08:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Bootlord
R3 was mainly Fury vs. Legion. rest didn't matter really :P
R8 ponints to the 3 alliances and ldk alone \o/

Rest of rounds i agree but its not very common to bash one alliance. Bashing a individual is common happens several times in a round. That's just taking out a certain planet with your BG or alliance. Now these attacks are not the revolt type on Ish. These are not n00bs and random guys attacking. These are organized attack on LDK with help of alliances that all said to be solo. First the cheating propaganda, now asking your former enemies to help. hahahaha

Perhaps it better to have the english parliament style next round HC of all allies? Like 50% on one side the other on the other side

Thoose alliances wasn't allied at the start.
But in-mid round they figured out that they had 1 alliance attacking all of them. There is a reason for the great powers against them. LDK didn't want universe to roll over easy and give em no fight? Wouldn't be fun would it? :P

Scouse · 4 Jul 2003, 10:41

People always finding something to complain about and think they are right from their unique point of view.

Put yourselves into LDK shoes. You play a round whereby everyone agrees not to ally, and you find yourselves doing extremely well after a short time. Everyone then starts hitting you. I can gaurentee you'd not all be as happy as Larry posting here, "Haha, we PWNED you lot, come and get us". If it was you and your alliance being ganged up on by 6 alliances, in a round where you agreed to go solo, you'd not be happy in the slightest.

You were right to to all hit LDK, but they've got a right to complain, whether it makes them look like arseholes or not is their concern.

What would you have done when you found yourselves on top? Everyone keeps going on about this "All alliances for itself" boll*cks, and when it happens you block anyway. No alliance will ever win a round completely by itself.

And you wonder why alliances used to block pre-round in the hope of winning?

And please, don't try and compare this to real wars. It's not a real war. LDK haven't murdered thousands of innocent people to get where they are now.

All in all, this round is fun. Or so I hear from people involved in the Let's-All-Kill-LDK action. LDK can claim to be the best alliance this round, but of course, the best alliances don't always win.

As for LDK, they can't have expected to have reached the top and then to have simply been allowed to remain there by every other decent alliance, in fear of breaking their word. They should have done something about that when they had the chance. There's always some cowards willing to ally the winning alliance. But then you'd have all called them blocking, cheating, multi scum anyway.

LHC · 4 Jul 2003, 10:45

Although I see no problem with this 5 vs 1, LDK have 'won' this round.

They left it to late to begin attacking, and with just 15 days left, if they attack 1 planet a day (as they have been doing) that means only 15 planets destroyed. And that's assuming that all of the attacks are totally successful.

I'm guessing LDK have more than 15 planets (LOL multies LOL), so they have won.

das_experiment · 4 Jul 2003, 10:48

I will never give ldk credit for 'winning' this round.

Thatd be like me owning my mates in sum online game, with a invincibility cheat on(just on me) :|

Hala · 4 Jul 2003, 10:52

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Originally posted by LHC
Although I see no problem with this 5 vs 1, LDK have 'won' this round.

They left it to late to begin attacking, and with just 15 days left, if they attack 1 planet a day (as they have been doing) that means only 15 planets destroyed. And that's assuming that all of the attacks are totally successful.

I'm guessing LDK have more than 15 planets (LOL multies LOL), so they have won.

Your also forgetting the remarkable lack of succes they've had to far in their large assualts with the sliekas' fleet catching being the only one so far.

LHC · 4 Jul 2003, 11:35

I'm not forgetting that- I said "assuming that...".

BetrayerOfHope · 4 Jul 2003, 11:39

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Originally posted by Lord_Thunderball
/idiot

somebody who look at pa wars like on WWII or usa vs iraq are idiots nothing more to say get a life ...

jornx · 4 Jul 2003, 11:52

Quote:

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
somebody who look at pa wars like on WWII or usa vs iraq are idiots nothing more to say get a life ...

getting your whole family involved in playing a space wargame to insure your planet's survival isn't a very good example of 'having a life' either.

Lord_Thunderball · 4 Jul 2003, 11:56

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
somebody who look at pa wars like on WWII or usa vs iraq are idiots nothing more to say get a life ...

I justed needed to compare it with something... And since both are "wars" it's not that bad imho..

You've won at the end.. not during..

laputa · 4 Jul 2003, 11:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord_Thunderball
I justed needed to compare it with something... And since both are "wars" it's not that bad imho..

You've won at the end.. not during..

A little piece of advice from Monty Python:

Don't mention the war (when speaking to Germans)

Scorpio · 4 Jul 2003, 12:05

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Originally posted by starbreeze
no offense but um..
wp, eclipse, tot, oly, rah, fang is 6 not 5 ^^

well, you figure out which one isn't worthy of carrying the mark "alliance"

Scorpio · 4 Jul 2003, 12:06

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Originally posted by Unf_Slasher
LDK got my respect for playing this round as they did, but politically you did a piss poor job mate....

politically ... it was meant to go solo. LDK remains solo.

Storebo · 4 Jul 2003, 12:06

Quote:

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
somebody who look at pa wars like on WWII or usa vs iraq are idiots nothing more to say get a life ...

See nothing wrong with it. Allways easier to explain things when u can compare it with facts everyone knows.

Scorpio · 4 Jul 2003, 12:09

Quote:

Originally posted by LHC
Although I see no problem with this 5 vs 1, LDK have 'won' this round.

They left it to late to begin attacking, and with just 15 days left, if they attack 1 planet a day (as they have been doing) that means only 15 planets destroyed. And that's assuming that all of the attacks are totally successful.

I'm guessing LDK have more than 15 planets (LOL multies LOL), so they have won.

Maybe I'll become #1 then afterall

jornx · 4 Jul 2003, 12:14

Quote:

Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

Be proud of it, if there is nothing left of...

Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it.

self declared winners > *

kaos · 4 Jul 2003, 12:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Scorpio
politically ... it was meant to go solo. LDK remains solo.

yup, thats why ldk (whit their ~120 members) get over 200 ppl to def them and ofc they are all awake when ldk gets inc ...

BetrayerOfHope · 4 Jul 2003, 12:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Storebo
See nothing wrong with it. Allways easier to explain things when u can compare it with facts everyone knows.

so u are one of those for whom a game is as imporant than rl?
what i mean in wwII they fought against the nazis that are other reasons than only entertaining who set a game as the same as this are idiots in my eyes. the motivation of fair play is in such a thing not given since u need to win no matter what u have to do for it. in a game its different nobody dies when u loose

lokken · 4 Jul 2003, 12:41

I'm sorry the universe isn't rolling over for you.

BetrayerOfHope · 4 Jul 2003, 12:44

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Originally posted by lokken
I'm sorry the universe isn't rolling over for you.

i don't even play this stupid game anymore so in fact i shouldn't care but well its so boring at home atm

lokken · 4 Jul 2003, 12:50

Quote:

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
i don't even play this stupid game anymore so in fact i shouldn't care but well its so boring at home atm

wasn't replying to you specificaly in all fairness, mainly the creator of the thread

just couldn't be arsed to quote him

MrL_JaKiri · 4 Jul 2003, 13:05

I respect quite a few alliances in PA. I know how much work people put into them to make them work.

Just because they don't win doesn't mean they don't deserve respect, and likewise just because they do doesn't mean they do.

I have no respect at all for LDK.

And people were throwing around words like 'cynic' when the discussion was around LDK returning for a free round. Lithuania should have been banned from PA a long time ago, for a multitude of crimes, not just rule breaking.

Storebo · 4 Jul 2003, 13:05

Quote:

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
so u are one of those for whom a game is as imporant than rl?
what i mean in wwII they fought against the nazis that are other reasons than only entertaining who set a game as the same as this are idiots in my eyes. the motivation of fair play is in such a thing not given since u need to win no matter what u have to do for it. in a game its different nobody dies when u loose

I don't compare sertain alliances as nazis. And the game isn't as important as the reallife. But sometimes u'll get a better view over things in the game when u can compare it with something real. But for instance i could compare the current situation with ldk as the 3 front war against germany in ww2. Motives for doing so is not to compare ldk as nazis but to view and example how a much better skilled enemy got encircled by to many enemies because they had moved to fast. Germany was beat with pure numbers. Any fight where the numbers where equal they would win. Understand some can get insulted by being compared as the evil side of ww2, but it is not intended as disrespect. And personaly for myself i find it easier to compare with things i have knowledge of and a great interest in. And when we bring in scenarios from such wars, it is the tactics and politics leading up to the scenarios we wish to debate. In another thread I compared PA to Babylon 5, is fun to see how it all fits :P
Can't remember I have compared PA with ww2, but aslong as nothing offensive is said i see nothing wrong with it. We aren't living in a fantasy world talking to animals and such just for wanting to compare.

xtothez · 4 Jul 2003, 13:10

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Originally posted by izverg
Indeed there is a big glory, when five guys try to beat one.
Just wp, Eclipse, ToT, Olympians, Rah,Fang vs LDK...

In the space of an hour, Sleikas recieved 130 defense fleets from at least 80 individual planets. At this time there were 40 people in the LDK private channel. They continued to cover other members with 10+ fleets in the next 1-2 hours, despite only about 5 extra people coming online.
You know as well as I do how ****ing blatently LDK is being support by extra accounts, be it other BGs or just 'special' planets. We also both know how much you deserve the number one title if you claim 100% solidarity while allowing this kind of support. Kindly quit with this 'Honour' bull****, it doesn't apply here and only makes you look like a hypocrite.

Killerbij · 4 Jul 2003, 13:13

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Originally posted by Bootlord
LDK rocked all your arses this round. So don't be hardheaded just admit it. This doesn't imply the rest of the allies was crap or inactive.

LDK R9,5 > *

period...

Agreed you had way more planets than any of us

Lord_Thunderball · 4 Jul 2003, 13:48

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Originally posted by Storebo
....

Thx Storebo,

exactly what I ment... I didn't mean comparing LDK with Nazi's or the germans..

More the fact about numbers and the NEED to coop against the enemy to defeat them.

cypher · 4 Jul 2003, 13:53

x

can you please do me a favour and check all the alliances and people that were defending me.... wasn't that hard to get covered like that

..... plus i'd also LOVE a discussion about the sizes of my attackers *sigh yes again*

p.s. i'll try not to reply anymore

as i know i shouldn't as i've got this weird feeling some people are a bit biased and clueless and don't like facts

jornx · 4 Jul 2003, 14:15

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Originally posted by cyphie
x can you please do me a favour and check all the alliances and people that were defending me.... wasn't that hard to get covered like that..... plus i'd also LOVE a discussion about the sizes of my attackers *sigh yes again*

p.s. i'll try not to reply anymore as i know i shouldn't as i've got this weird feeling some people are a bit biased and clueless and don't like facts

cyph STOP THE FK'IN SMILIES FS

cypher · 4 Jul 2003, 14:26

Quote:

Originally posted by jornx
cyph STOP THE FK'IN SMILIES FS

I WOULD RATHER FKING DIE!:/

(i was gonna say i'd rather admit i'm cheating... but i doubt you'd get the sarcasm on here:S )

p.s. even now i doubt you'll understand the sarcasm.

Lerxst · 4 Jul 2003, 14:37

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Originally posted by izverg Even if LDK loses, we'll be winners, and deep inside
most of you will know it. [/b]

Yes. And Talyskylää (or however this was spelled) won round 4.

BetrayerOfHope · 4 Jul 2003, 15:18

Quote:

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
I respect quite a few alliances in PA. I know how much work people put into them to make them work.

Just because they don't win doesn't mean they don't deserve respect, and likewise just because they do doesn't mean they do.

I have no respect at all for LDK.

And people were throwing around words like 'cynic' when the discussion was around LDK returning for a free round. Lithuania should have been banned from PA a long time ago, for a multitude of crimes, not just rule breaking.

yeah and idiots like u should be banned from the internet at all ...