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Unread 20 May 2011, 13:35   #51
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Re: 10 Months on...

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I am quite sure we will not turn to Apps.
We will, however, have a quite extensive mobile interface meant and made for modern touch-devices. We will not support very old phones (WML), and stick to HTML5 there too.
But if you read my above post from last night, well, I think a mobile interface is mentioned...
thanks for the clarity there. (-: <--- love the trademark smiley

Im sure that there would be some disappointment with the Iphone users with no app for it... but as long as it supports on windows mobile this should cater for most folk.

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You're correct that ad2460 does not have to affect the player base of PA, but i would "assume" that more than a handful want more than PA is currently giving.
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The underlying issue would remain that Jagex has yet to show much interest in the game.
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Agreed about mobile interface too... I get irritated trying to play PA on my phone, although it's doable.
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Unread 20 May 2011, 15:58   #53
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thanks for the clarity there. (-: <--- love the trademark smiley
Im sure that there would be some disappointment with the Iphone users with no app for it... but as long as it supports on windows mobile this should cater for most folk.
Keep up the good work.
One of the big benefits of web-based games, is that they can be played from anywhere.
One can essentially make an interface for small screens (say mobile phones), and one interface for larger screens (tabs and computers), by using the same components, and hopefully using the same backend functionality.
Going the apps-way, one would have to make 3 versions: iOs, Android and Windows Mobile. Not efficient, and requiring resources that are far beyond what we have. The game gets an update or addition or change, we would have 4 versions to deal with. No thanks.
An alternative is to "fake it", and make it look like an "app" which many does today. The "app" is just a browser-window, with no borders etc, and it fetches the content from the web just like a normal browser would do. It is a smart thing, because by pushing out an "app", you'd get attention and customers you might not get otherwise. So, we'll see.
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Unread 20 May 2011, 15:59   #54
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Agreed about mobile interface too... I get irritated trying to play PA on my phone, although it's doable.
I consider that one of my bigger mistakes with PAX, allthough many would feel different.
But it should have had a mobile interface for smaller screens.
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Re: 10 Months on...

It is one of the bigger mistakes with PAX, but you didn't make it. Remember, you sold it back in 2003, when phones were fantastic if they could play Tetris.
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Unread 20 May 2011, 17:26   #56
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Re: 10 Months on...

Well, Pre-PAX PA had WML-support....Meaning WAP...Which was supported by most phones back in the days...
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Re: 10 Months on...

Ah. I did not know that.
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Unread 20 May 2011, 17:52   #58
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Re: 10 Months on...

That said, mobile interfaces / tab interfaces / computer interfaces are still far from easy...
Check out the list of resolutions and aspect-ratios on a few devices:
Decent phones:
Iphone 3 640*480 12:9
Iphone 4 960*640 13,5:9
HTC Wildf 320*240 12:9
Touch HD 800*480 15:9
Nokia N8-00 640*360 16:9
Nokia N72 208*176 10,5:9

So, anywhere from 10:9 to 16:9...It's quite a difference...

Apple Ipad 1024*768 12:9
Sams. Gal.Tab 1024*600 15,4:9
Motor. Xoom 1280*800 14,4:9
WeTab 1366×768 16:9

Anywhere from 12:9 to 16:9 here, so a bit better, but still 80% more pixels on the Xoom than on the Galaxy Tab.

There is hope though, as these new devices usually auto-scale a web-page to fit the device. Then again, as soon as these devices have scaled a page, any "animated object" will be dead slow on that page.
Nope, it aint easy if you wish to make something that looks good on many devices. If you can stick to just "it has to WORK on many devices", it's not too hard.
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Unread 21 May 2011, 00:02   #59
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Re: 10 Months on...

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That said, mobile interfaces / tab interfaces / computer interfaces are still far from easy...
Check out the list of resolutions and aspect-ratios on a few devices:
Decent phones:
Iphone 3 640*480 12:9
Iphone 4 960*640 13,5:9
HTC Wildf 320*240 12:9
Touch HD 800*480 15:9
Nokia N8-00 640*360 16:9
Nokia N72 208*176 10,5:9

So, anywhere from 10:9 to 16:9...It's quite a difference...

Apple Ipad 1024*768 12:9
Sams. Gal.Tab 1024*600 15,4:9
Motor. Xoom 1280*800 14,4:9
WeTab 1366×768 16:9

Anywhere from 12:9 to 16:9 here, so a bit better, but still 80% more pixels on the Xoom than on the Galaxy Tab.

There is hope though, as these new devices usually auto-scale a web-page to fit the device. Then again, as soon as these devices have scaled a page, any "animated object" will be dead slow on that page.
Nope, it aint easy if you wish to make something that looks good on many devices. If you can stick to just "it has to WORK on many devices", it's not too hard.
I basically designed around a HTC Desire HD (800x480)

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Yes its a GUI draft, and i've not figured out everything yet
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Re: 10 Months on...

Also what about an SDK/API kind of thing, where other people could create the Apps and they would have to look after them?

Fifth season could hand out the API keys so to control the stem of "bot" apps.

Although that would probably end up more time consuming anyway.
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Unread 21 May 2011, 01:46   #61
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Nice App-design, looks ideal for PA. Any chance of it being actually used?

As for allowing "external parties" to create Apps for a game, there are some complications to consider, like potential security-risks or other kinds of abuse. I think I would need to think long and hard about this.
That said, it would be a real benefit if such a thing could come to pass, for PA or any other game. The biggest problem I see, specially with any game that is young, immature and undergoing regular changes / improvements is of course that the Apps would need to be constantly updated in sync.
See, one of my "weaknesses" when it comes to making games, is that I like to improve, revise, and add to them as we go. Poor ManagerLeague has been receiving smaller and greater updates on a near monthly basis for 6 years straight! It keeps it fresh, it creates something for all players to look forward to, and it is generally received very well in the community. With games like PA, these changes would enter with a new round ofc, but since AD is meant to be persistent, this changes things a bit. I guess we are going to have to have some kind of "patch-tuesday" or something, to allow for my tinkering (-:
Once a month or so (-:
Anyway, the point is, an App may soon be outdated if not followed up on properly. And I fear this could cause both confusion, frustration and possibly a myriad of apps to keep track of. "Nono, install AppX, it's more updated than AppY and AppZ. But AppW has the best forum-integration and AppS kicks ass with it's chat."

There are some hard issues to tackle in all of this, regardless of which game we are talking about. I must also say, I feel very uncomfortable talking about AD at all in here. It's against the rules, I think, for one, and it might look like a blatant attempt of user-stealing. Which I don't wish to be accused of. I guess there is always the discussion-forums over at the Facebook-page. Or maybe some kind of Q&A can be added to the main web-page...
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Poor ManagerLeague has been receiving smaller and greater updates on a near monthly basis for 6 years straight!
Yeah, quit making it harder for me to get the 200 friendlies in I appear to have discovered, too late, that re-doing your team wrecks your team stats.
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It's against the rules, I think, for one, and it might look like a blatant attempt of user-stealing. Which I don't wish to be accused of. I guess there is always the discussion-forums over at the Facebook-page. Or maybe some kind of Q&A can be added to the main web-page...
Well then you need to open up a "dedicated"forum then :P (remember a small few dont use facebook).
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Well then you need to open up a "dedicated"forum then :P (remember a small few dont use facebook).
In all fairness, catering to the very small population that doesn't use facebook makes no sense. The amount of people you could potentially gain through facebook far outweighs the handful you could lose who don't use it. Just my two cents though.
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Attempting to reach as many people as you can always makes sense.
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Attempting to reach as many people as you can always makes sense.
Yes, and the costs involved doesn`t matter at all. Reaching that extra weirdo not on FB is important!
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Re: 10 Months on...

Back to OP:

Round is over. ANYTHING being added to pa for next round? Or is it just stats change and a random alliance limit change?

I'm really having a hard time here as I see no reason to create a planet if nothing changed at all.

Any "Hey guys, we are working on PA and we plan to get the polished and reworked PA live at xx/xx/2194" or any proof of life would be highly appreciated!

If not, go to hell.
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Yes, and the costs involved doesn`t matter at all. Reaching that extra weirdo not on FB is important!
Come on man, we're not talking about financing an expedition into the Amazon here, it's a forum on the ****ing internet.
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I know I know, but seriously...how many geeks are not on FB? or, how many in the agegroup he wants to reach are not on fb? also, it takes as long to create a "fake" fb account and just follow it there as it takes to create a user on some forum :/ I dont see the need as long as he doesnt want to discuss things. The forum will ofc be up at a later point when alpha / beta testing starts...
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I know I know, but seriously...how many geeks are not on FB? or, how many in the agegroup he wants to reach are not on fb?
My 3 year old cousin has a facebook... my 92 year old grandma has a facebook... the kid who was caught masturbating in the janitors closet in 6th grade has a facebook... the virgin with the alias Wishmaster has a facebook...

Facebook isn't a very small or group specific community. I hope that's not breaking news to you.
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Re: 10 Months on...

I think you're misunderstanding which side of the argument Wishmaster is on.
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My 3 year old cousin has a facebook... my 92 year old grandma has a facebook... the kid who was caught masturbating in the janitors closet in 6th grade has a facebook... the virgin with the alias Wishmaster has a facebook...

Facebook isn't a very small or group specific community. I hope that's not breaking news to you.
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Re: 10 Months on...

I sucked at english when I was at school, and have never tried to understand what are verbs and nouns.

But when did having a "Facebook Account" become having a "Facebook"?
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