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Unread 10 Aug 2006, 08:56   #1
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What's happening in UK airspace?

Apparently the Police has prevented 'Terror Attacks' on flights between UK and US and the nation's threat level was raised to "critical".

In with the obligatory 'UK flight attack jokes'-thread before the attacks even happen?
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

I'm off to heathrow tommorrow for a job interview (terminal 2 to be exact) But im not quite sure whats happened. From what I can tell no one has actually died so go mi5 etc.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

from watching the bbc news this morning:

The police discovered a terrorist plot to blow up up to 20 planes simultaneously flying between the UK and the US.
Although the attacks weren't planned for today they were worried that something would happen immediately by another group worried about being found themselves, or some kind of backup plan or something.
Because of this, noone is allowed to take any hand luggage onto the planes. In fact the only things they are allowed to take on is a wallet and their travel documents. Prescribed medicines if needed but no liquids whatsoever except baby milk but you have to taste it in front of security (and a couple of things like glasses without the cases and nappies).

I can't imagine going on a long haul flight with a couple of kids today - will be hell
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

They seem to have reduced it from 20 planes to 6 planes.
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They seem to have reduced it from 20 planes to 6 planes.
I have a feeling they said 6 on bbc but then 'up to 20' on ITV.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

Instead of banning hand luggage, why don't you just ban muslims flying?

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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

Overlooking my paranoid cynicism regarding the timing of this event (just a few days after the introduction of an coloured alert system) I have a reay problem with the way this is being reported.

the suspects have already been found guilty.

It is being reported as if they have already been trialed. Due process has been abolished and even if it is shown that there was no plot (whether or not there was is irrelevant at this point) then the psychological damage has been done.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

Cool we have a coloured alert system
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the suspects have already been found guilty.

It is being reported as if they have already been trialed. Due process has been abolished and even if it is shown that there was no plot (whether or not there was is irrelevant at this point) then the psychological damage has been done.
Didn't we all say that would happen?
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Er, if it's proved that there was no plot then they won't be found guilty.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

Kudos to you, brits, from us, yanks.

As a New Yorker, i have to say that if you did not stop them, that would officially SUCK for me... again...

I was 4 blocks away from world trade center on 9/11 ;/


I will hand out free positive rep for any brit who posts here who was even remotely involved in that situation (aka, even if was in the same airport when that happened)
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Er, if it's proved that there was no plot then they won't be found guilty.
It doesn't matter, the damage has been done. People believe that a major terrorist plot has just been foiled. Whether or not this is the case now does not matter.

Even if these people are found not guilty the case has already served a purpose. By the time it goes to trial there will be a new terror threat for everyone to worry about.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

I think it would be naive to believe that major terrorist plots aren't foiled from time to time, questioning what your told by the government is the right thing to do but seeing conspiracies everywhere is silly. I’m not sure what in the current situation would be gained by a massive terror alert which is going to screw up the airline industry and screw up tourism. I guess maybe maintaining a climate of fear is a good thing for the government but I don't think publicising a new alert system would really justify this much disruption, I'm sure the right wing press gave it huge coverage anyway, maybe it's a CIA plot to deflect attention from Israel playing up

The point about trials is valid but not because of the way the media has covered the events (they're hardly going to be tried in a normal court), more because the government seems to think they have the power to hold terror suspects without trial indefinitely. Regardless of their guilt or not they'll probably end up being locked up Belmarsh for a few years without being told what they’ve done and then held under house arrest indefinitely. It's a sad state of affairs when that can happen and hardly anyone bats an eyelid, perhaps the climate of fear is more important than I gave it credit for
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

well, to be honest, i woudl rather live in climate of fear, then face another possible terror act. its easy for someone to speculate about government conspiracies and be overall politically correct (or incorrect ?) living in some small town that terrorists dont know anything about. Without witnessing or loosing someone in one of those attacks. I think that your oppinion about subject changes when faced with a possibility of a real threat. Every moment i spend in NYC is a moment something can happen. And its not me just being paranoid. Its just 9/11's aftereffects on me.

I was seriously worried this morning when i woke up and instead of my regular music on my alarm clock, i hear you prime minister live speaking about terrorism.

Anywhere else the reaction would be different, i guess. But here, in new york, its wuite disturbing...
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well, to be honest, i woudl rather live in climate of fear, then face another possible terror act. its easy for someone to speculate about government conspiracies and be overall politically correct (or incorrect ?) living in some small town that terrorists dont know anything about. Without witnessing or loosing someone in one of those attacks. I think that your oppinion about subject changes when faced with a possibility of a real threat. Every moment i spend in NYC is a moment something can happen. And its not me just being paranoid. Its just 9/11's aftereffects on me.

I was seriously worried this morning when i woke up and instead of my regular music on my alarm clock, i hear you prime minister live speaking about terrorism.

Anywhere else the reaction would be different, i guess. But here, in new york, its wuite disturbing...
I think I'd rather take the chance of being blown up than live in a police state (I live in London albeit outer London), probably easier to say than practice, my views would no doubt change if I was blown up.
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maybe it's a plot to deflect attention from Israel playing up
That was the first thing I thought this morning when I saw the chaos.
Suddenly "an attack is imminent" and it takes over all the news.

Good day to bury bad news? A reason for the public to get behind bush and blair's pro-israel anti-'terrorist' (read anti-muslim) policies? "Lets invade Iran"?

I really can't trust a thing this government tells me, especially when it's coming from John Reid.
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Because organized discrimination is soooo 1940's....
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

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It doesn't matter, the damage has been done. People believe that a major terrorist plot has just been foiled. Whether or not this is the case now does not matter.

Even if these people are found not guilty the case has already served a purpose. By the time it goes to trial there will be a new terror threat for everyone to worry about.
So it doesn't really matter what really happened, its what you are afraid the government MIGHT be doing that is the real problem.

Certainly if they had killed a thousand or so people that wouldn't have been as bad as the evils of government?
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So it doesn't really matter what really happened, its what you are afraid the government MIGHT be doing that is the real problem.

Certainly if they had killed a thousand or so people that wouldn't have been as bad as the evils of government?
I think he's just arguing for due process dude, you might have taken a class in that back in 1882
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

He wouldn't know due process if it jumped up and bit him in the ass.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

Back on topic:

We're firing John Reid in a rocket over the UK, he's going to look tough and mean and scare all the bad guys away!
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Due process would never turn around and bite someone in the ass dude
I know a lot of people in prison who would disagree.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

I was watching Sky News at 4 A.M. this morning, and they kept talking about the airport and tightened security but they never actually said why or what the cause was. Bad journalism.

GD is my primary source of information it seems.
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Kudos to you, brits, from us, yanks.

As a New Yorker, i have to say that if you did not stop them, that would officially SUCK for me... again...

I was 4 blocks away from world trade center on 9/11 ;/


I will hand out free positive rep for any brit who posts here who was even remotely involved in that situation (aka, even if was in the same airport when that happened)

Pardon me for making a completly IRRELEVANT post but...

I recieved annonymous negrap saying, quote, "you are a disgrace"

could one please elaborate ? even if by giving me another anonymous negrep, plz ? I just dont get it. When u give negrep, give a good reason, so i try to figgure out what did i do wrong to incur your personal wrath and avoid such things in future.

BUT WTF that was about, just boggles my mind.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

You're not supposed to give out rep for any reason than the standard of peoples' posts. I expect that some upstanding GD posters decided that proximity to 9/11, real or pretend, shouldn't be a reason for peoples' rep scores being affected - and promptly repped you into the red.


Consider it a lesson learnt .
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

i would've gone for the fact that saying how "hard it hit you" on the internets only forum which was pretty well dedicated to london's bomming jokes during that whole affair wouldn't win him any friends.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

It's too bad the conspiracy was not successful. Then we could have a great Transatlantic bombs jokes thread.

Interesting tidbit of info for everyone: Indications are that at least 21 of those arrested are British citizens, a senior U.S. intelligence official said.

Five years ago it was 15 Saudis, now it's 21 Brits.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

err, we all knew that.
half of them will probably be let go though.
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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

I hear the Brazilian embassy has put out a traveler's alert.

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It's too bad the conspiracy was not successful. Then we could have a great Transatlantic bombs jokes thread.

Interesting tidbit of info for everyone: Indications are that at least 21 of those arrested are British citizens, a senior U.S. intelligence official said.

Five years ago it was 15 Saudis, now it's 21 Brits.
the July bombers were British citizens as well.

I can't for the life of me see why you think we don't know this.

Our 'alliance' with America sees us treated like lap-dogs by an incompetent US regime. It sees us involved in two very costly wars where British soldiers are dying for no benefit to our interests. It also sees us tied to a severely declining US economy.

Now it sees us being the victim of domestic terrorism.

A closer alliance with the EU would be unlikely to have these effects.
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A closer alliance with the EU would be unlikely to have these effects.
Think how awkward that'd be. For one, we'd actually have to pay attention to what 'those people over there who speak with a funny accent' are saying.

In all seriousness, we don't need to have a close alliance with anyone regarding foreign policy, can't we simply go our own way and treat issues on an issue by issue basis?
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In all seriousness, we don't need to have a close alliance with anyone regarding foreign policy, can't we simply go our own way and treat issues on an issue by issue basis?
I'm certainly no expert on the topic*,

but I would guess that, especially with respect to intelligence, when two countries pool resources together, breaking off such a relationship will be crippling to each, and not be something you can put back together again every fourth year when there is a desperate need.

it's unclear to me, however, why the UK can't work together with us but not follow along every time we jump off a bridge.

Topically, but in response to no post in particular, I'm really glad that these guys chose do their evul plotting in the UK, where they apparently have "law enforcement" and shit like that. Of course, here in the US we have a press conference every week in which we are told about another "ADVANCED TERROR PLOT" that was foiled which involved usually something along the lines of (stick-figure) Bush being assassinated via fire-breathing T-Rex (according to documents Justice Department officials had in their possession).

*understatement of the year nominee

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Re: What's happening in UK airspace?

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In all seriousness, we don't need to have a close alliance with anyone regarding foreign policy, can't we simply go our own way and treat issues on an issue by issue basis?
apparently not.

we lose nothing by cutting ties with america. can we do better alone? or with europe? to be honest i do not know.

but by sticking with america we are swimming in the ocean of the future with a lead weight.
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