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16 Oct 2005, 14:01
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Final stats for R15
As most people have given up even reading the other thread, I'm making a new thread at the request of UN
the final stats are now here.
I'll get them on game.planetarion.com as soon as I know that the server won't be reset
(I'm sure that fairly soon there'll be guides / discussions as to fleet compositions and attacking combinations, even if many of the alliances will horde their guides )
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16 Oct 2005, 14:27
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Re: Final stats for R15
Don't you mean hide their guides
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16 Oct 2005, 14:29
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Re: Final stats for R15
same difference :-)
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16 Oct 2005, 14:57
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Re: Final stats for R15
weyyy cheers appoc
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16 Oct 2005, 14:59
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Re: Final stats for R15
They'd have been done on Friday if it wasn't for Alki *
*they'd have been different and Xan would have probably won, but ...
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16 Oct 2005, 16:00
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Re: Final stats for R15
looks like some pretty decent stats there... Bring on R15
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16 Oct 2005, 21:57
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Re: Final stats for R15
Hope it will not turn out in an all Xan universe
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16 Oct 2005, 22:33
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Re: Final stats for R15
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Hope it will not turn out in an all Xan universe
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I hope I dont end up in a zik universe..!!
Having to rebuild my ships after every attack
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17 Oct 2005, 00:38
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Re: Final stats for R15
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Hope it will not turn out in an all Xan universe
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Look at Clogg coining the "If i'm right I'll praise my foresight in a few weeks" post.
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17 Oct 2005, 00:39
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Re: Final stats for R15
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I hope I dont end up in a zik universe..!!
Having to rebuild my ships after every attack
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Alessio surely that's the Same with Ter or Xan
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17 Oct 2005, 02:10
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Re: Final stats for R15
Methinks there will be quite a few Xans around. Soveh's Useful Suggestion (#42) is that you go the race that is good at hitting Xans .
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17 Oct 2005, 06:08
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Re: Final stats for R15
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Methinks there will be quite a few Xans around. Soveh's Useful Suggestion (#42) is that you go the race that is good at hitting Xans
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xan fr will be pretty good at hitting xan
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17 Oct 2005, 07:40
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Re: Final stats for R15
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xan fr will be pretty good at hitting xan
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There is a reason why the acronym of Soveh's Useful Suggestion is SUS
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17 Oct 2005, 07:42
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Re: Final stats for R15
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As most people have given up even reading the other thread, I'm making a new thread at the request of UN
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UN also requests that you write up various race guides next round for all the races, as presumably you know what you intended to do. I might scrutinise, but "real life" beckons...
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17 Oct 2005, 11:22
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Re: Final stats for R15
My major worry is that Xan Fr -> Xan is unstoppable by anything but vipers. *really having second thoughts about that last minute adjustment*
*will post with a last minute update if necessary*
tbh Xan always seem to be the worst race to fiddle with. *cries*
and that would mean I'd make the 20 updates hehe
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17 Oct 2005, 11:45
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Re: Final stats for R15
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My major worry is that Xan Fr -> Xan is unstoppable by anything but vipers. *really having second thoughts about that last minute adjustment*
*will post with a last minute update if necessary*
tbh Xan always seem to be the worst race to fiddle with. *cries*
and that would mean I'd make the 20 updates hehe
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As if anyone is willing to send their Vipers on defence missions
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17 Oct 2005, 12:03
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Re: Final stats for R15
I was looking at the costs, and for the xan to be able to do the fi combo vs a ter he needs to spend twice as much resources on his pulsars to be able to match the pegs, shouldnt that be changed a bit aswell?
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17 Oct 2005, 15:04
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Re: Final stats for R15
I think the easiest, quickest and most obvious fix is changing Lancer to targetting Fr, and to compensate lancers +2 armour and +1 damage, and cutters +1 armour.
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17 Oct 2005, 16:23
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Re: Final stats for R15
i wonder how you can say that xan fr is strongest while that most likely will be second most used xan fleet and you don't look at cath co while that's the first fleet for a cathaar and not really stoppable by anything but ingal defence and even then it will be VERY hard to break through vipers as they are the main part of an attackfleet for a cathaar. only thing against them is guardians really and caths aint gonna build them really.
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17 Oct 2005, 16:29
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Re: Final stats for R15
The other options suggested to me are:
drop tzen damage down, perhaps to 40 dmg/cost
change bomber to co-> fr (probably firing after the lancer, then this sets up pulsar/lancer issues)
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17 Oct 2005, 18:35
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Re: Final stats for R15
how about either making viper weaker or just keeping lancers hitting co? as removing lancers from hitting co means you make cathaar an uber race.
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17 Oct 2005, 19:26
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Re: Final stats for R15
Hes not talking about changing lancer targetting.
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17 Oct 2005, 20:01
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Re: Final stats for R15
ok. After intense discussion, there will be a stats change from the origional, but it'll be just dropping the Tzen down to 40 damage. (44 dam/cost)
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Re: Final stats for R15
Phew, thought you were going to ruin Xan and making Cath unbeatable.
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17 Oct 2005, 20:13
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Re: Final stats for R15
was tempting I was toying beteween making Cath unstoppable and making Terran De PWN
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Re: Final stats for R15
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ok. After intense discussion, there will be a stats change from the origional, but it'll be just dropping the Tzen down to 40 damage. (44 dam/cost)
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this is silly... everyone can see cath is too strong and therefore you make xan weaker... why do people even bother......... appoco, for the love of god LOOK at cath stats
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17 Oct 2005, 21:47
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Re: Final stats for R15
They do look strong yes, shame since i really dont wanna go cath.
What do you propose we do with the caths cyph?
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17 Oct 2005, 21:57
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Re: Final stats for R15
either make their co weaker or other anti co stronger
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17 Oct 2005, 21:58
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Re: Final stats for R15
JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR:
WE ARE USING VERSION 19 WITH A SLIGHTLY NERFED TZEN. NO OTHER CHANGES ARE OCCURING.
famous last words ;D
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Re: Final stats for R15
Well see , well see
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Re: Final stats for R15
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They do look strong yes, shame since i really dont wanna go cath.
What do you propose we do with the caths cyph?
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Re: Final stats for R15
In a universe with a high proportion of xans then I can't see cath being too strong. Arrowheads are very strong against a pure cath co fleet and I think we will find it fairly rare for a cath only attack fleet to be fi/co, simply because this would only be needed against a xan without lancers or to prevent arrowhead defence. However if it is just used to prevent arrowhead defence it opens up a lot of other defense possibilities.
Assuming there will be plenty of arrowheads in the universe then I don't think cath will be too strong. They will find it easier to get through than most fleets but this is what cath are designed to do. They are hit very easily by fi, de and cr, meaning they won't hang onto their roids for long. It is possible that a few caths in the top alliances/gals will do extremely well, as they did this round, but I don't think it will be quite as extreme as this round.
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Re: Final stats for R15
Geocities for teh Win! I see your funding is as high as ever
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18 Oct 2005, 13:29
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Re: Final stats for R15
my funding, maybe .
poor student, etc etc. I had a free .co.uk address but I lost it a while ago . I guess I could make it look more official and dump things on game.planetarion.com, but if I break something Kloopy wouldn't be pleased with me
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Re: Final stats for R15
freenetname.co.uk?
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18 Oct 2005, 18:33
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Re: Final stats for R15
Yes!
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19 Oct 2005, 04:10
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Re: Final stats for R15
hmmm every1's raving about xan and cath.. zik dont look a bad option to me.. got afew buffs this round with both BS and FR being decent options.. also no other race can steal making them pretty fun.. ziks were creeping to the top of last round and ziks had appaling stats then.. Zik ftw!
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