Planetarion Forums - Round 9, Stagnation and a possible solution.

13 Apr 2003, 15:10

Kloopy I love you \o/
(Ph33r the peanut eh eh?

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Petru · 13 Apr 2003, 15:10

I made Lrytas's sig \o/

This is still a pants idea, as it relies on honesty from alliances post reset.

And errr *chuckle*, the day that happens, PA will end.

Kjeldoran · 13 Apr 2003, 15:12

imo this gives not a real solution. I for one will certainly not play this 9.5 round. The only REAL solution is for WEET to disband in 4 seperate alliances (eventhough I'm fully aware of the problems that will cause etc).

Resetting only is good for those who gave up, them will be the only ones you're rewarding.

rgds Kj

Teh_Necro · 13 Apr 2003, 15:12

is farming allowed in round 9.5 \o/

-necro

DarkAngel · 13 Apr 2003, 15:12

sounds like a plan 2 me kloopy ..

joneggson · 13 Apr 2003, 15:13

bad idea! DO NOT SHUFFLE, i love my gal mates this round, its been the best since round 4! resetting roids and fleet i could maybe live with, but NO shuffle! i paid to play with my gal, not n00bs! (well discounting Chubaka)

isildurx · 13 Apr 2003, 15:13

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Originally posted by cyphie
if my alliance will block in any way i'll quit them quite simple... and i'll find something else...

i sure as hell hope ALL alliance will actually think about the game for once and don't ally others... and that includes alliances like wp/ely who have been together since ages... no reason whatsoever to ally anyone.

took the words outta my mouth

The_Fish · 13 Apr 2003, 15:14

the round is nowhere near finished, there's at least 1 more war coming this round, it'd be stupid to end it now.

The (many) losers are obviously going to say yes, so a democratic vote is unacceptable imho.

It's about to get started aswell

isildurx · 13 Apr 2003, 15:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
imo this gives not a real solution. I for one will certainly not play this 9.5 round. The only REAL solution is for WEET to disband in 4 seperate alliances (eventhough I'm fully aware of the problems that will cause etc).

Resetting only is good for those who gave up, them will be the only ones you're rewarding.

rgds Kj

even if that block split up in 4 , theres no way i can even approach the top 250 which is like 5 times my score and size atm.

NIN · 13 Apr 2003, 15:17

yep
its a possible solution,actually only solution....
give weet a few weeks so they can struglle for#1 gal and start this round9.5.as soon as possible...

The_Fish · 13 Apr 2003, 15:17

Quote:

Originally posted by isildurx
even if that block split up in 4 , theres no way i can even approach the top 250 which is like 5 times my score and size atm.

like NoCeX in R5, or NewX in R7?

just because people are losing, it doesnt mean we should reset.

A2 · 13 Apr 2003, 15:19

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Originally posted by The_Fish
the round is nowhere near finished, there's at least 1 more war coming this round, it'd be stupid to end it now.

-snip cos it's irrelevant to my point-

It's about to get started aswell

Hasn't everyone been saying this for about the last week and a half? All we've seen from then is WEET and NAR claim to have split up, and then NAR going into vacation mode to prevent themselves from getting bashed.

Thumbs up the the proposed idea.
Although maybe give us all the first couple of techs down each path and 21 roids - just to get us all going a bit faster.

13 Apr 2003, 15:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
imo this gives not a real solution. I for one will certainly not play this 9.5 round. The only REAL solution is for WEET to disband in 4 seperate alliances (eventhough I'm fully aware of the problems that will cause etc).

Resetting only is good for those who gave up, them will be the only ones you're rewarding.

rgds Kj

How do you intend to 'split up a power block?'
That is not going to happen. Although I like Kloopy's idea very much, we have to realise power blocks have been here since day one, and there is no way to stop them.

The_Fish · 13 Apr 2003, 15:22

well WP and Eclipse both want to win the round... can you see them staying together for the rest of the round?

Bazza[RB] · 13 Apr 2003, 15:23

I'll go for it providing we re-start with all con/res done coz I can't be arsed going through all that again

Petru · 13 Apr 2003, 15:23

This will ONLY work with random galaxies, so I hope everyone who is pro-reset accepts this fact.

Coaxmetal · 13 Apr 2003, 15:25

Is it possible to join r 9.5 if you haven't played r9?

Twiglet · 13 Apr 2003, 15:25

Im 100% for the idea.
Have a total reset, 3 roids (maybe more? 7? 21 sounds like a joke to me)
Allow people to change race/planet/rulername, let them experience a proper round without sweating cold every night wondering if their gal is under attack lol

Memtok · 13 Apr 2003, 15:25

reset would suck since I am in a great galaxy...

but if that is the will of the people, I can accept it...but only if;

1) res/con levels are maintained. no way we should be forced to wallow through the same old early round crap...an alternate to keeping res/cons at current levels would be to give everyne ALL res/cons. this would hurt some, but would prevent the imbalance inherent to some races needing to advance further along tech paths to be competitive.

2) a resonable level of roids are ensured...perhaps 100 or so per planet, initiated per the planet's desire. Fewer roids means we'd have to wait ages for targets...and we can do that within the current political situation!

3) name changes are chosen before shuffle, and go into effect with the shuffle. without this feature, it will just be a matter of mapping the galaxy immediately after the shuffle to cause a return to the same old political positions...

As I said, i am perfectly happy with my galaxy this round, and its very high level of security...but I can accept the will of the community if these small provisions are made to prevent me, and those like me, from getting totally fecked by a shuffle.

thanks for listening.

Denniz · 13 Apr 2003, 15:26

if u reset soon,
we will have to hear whole r9,5 ppl claim to be the 'real' winners of r9(a).
And if u reset, maybe let ppl chose between priv (10 planets ) and random (15 planets)

Really small gals would be nice too for once if u make it private.
Like 5 ppl ingal, would be nice to see who would win that.
If make gals with 5 players only, u dont need other allianes to full up ur gals with.

limpmen · 13 Apr 2003, 15:26

well we all know powerblocking is something that will never disappear as it is a guarantee to victory.... but i have a question to those alliances who are in the big powerblocks.... wouldn't it be much more satisfying to say your alliance did it on your own?

i give my absolute support to the reset idea and hope it will happen... not because i am small or anything just to have some hope that powerblocks will finally do something good to the game rather than destroying it once again. i'd just like to see what will happen if blocks disband and the alliances take my advice to do it on their own.

if we reset, i'd suggest, reset to a set amount of score, roids, fleet and res/con. set the res/con to the average done til the time of the reset and don't specialise it in any way (maybe take the average of the different branches if it's possible)... i know this is kinda ridiculous but it would be fun to see what time it takes for ppl to get specialised again... do the same with the fleet compositions.

Rumad · 13 Apr 2003, 15:26

reset is the only fair solution. With only 1 month there would need to be some bonus constructions at the start and i would suggest starting on 5 roids with enough metal to iniiate and to do initial res/cons since you start at a bonus level.

I would also ask that the 20% min rule comes off and we have 30 min ticks - lets have some funa nd kill ppl

A2 · 13 Apr 2003, 15:27

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Originally posted by Coaxmetal
Is it possible to join r 9.5 if you haven't played r9?

The proposal is basically for players of R9
You'd keep the same account and logni details, but would be allowed to change some details.

In some senses this is a reset (small r) and not a Reset (big R) that you see between rounds normally.

Hala · 13 Apr 2003, 15:27

all very well and good to say you want to win the round, but in the process you've killed the round off for everyone else.

PA is not here just for WEET to enjoy, its supposed to be for everyone involved to enjoy, fact is that the political manoverings by EVERY block involved in this round has resulted in one of the most stagnated round ever, its tick 700 and one side has already won... YER thats fun.

WP, Ely, Eclipse or ToT might have plans on how they intend to win sololy, but the fact is that its too little to late for everyone else, they've been bashed to kingdom come, and the game is just not fun and can the creators sit idly by and watch as nearly everyone outside of WEET and a few dedicated soles who still struggle on play the game out? They might have gotten their money but they want some players for rd 10 I would guess.

Tri · 13 Apr 2003, 15:28

Do it!

Cassidy · 13 Apr 2003, 15:29

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Originally posted by Kloopy

- Then we shuffle the entire universe, splitting up gals. Basically, make the Universe totally random.
- We reset everyones planets and start round 9.5; A random round 9.

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassidy
They should start round 9.5 .

Just reset all accounts, and shuffle everything (including planets). Nice random round .

Now, how can I object???

Beckmady · 13 Apr 2003, 15:29

Some sorry to say this but this Idear sucks!

We are a bunch of peoples who are busting there Arsh off to get to where they are.

Round 9,5 is not what i payed for, and no i dont see it as a Bonush

If the round is to end in 2-3 weeks i would want my Money Back.

Cause i dont have the time or the Energy to start a New Round with Exams Comming up and all.

What about all the times Legion has ruled the rounds ??

:Omega:

Twiglet · 13 Apr 2003, 15:30

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Originally posted by Hala
all very well and good to say you want to win the round, but in the process you've killed the round off for everyone else.

PA is not here just for WEET to enjoy, its supposed to be for everyone involved to enjoy, fact is that the political manoverings by EVERY block involved in this round has resulted in one of the most stagnated round ever, its tick 700 and one side has already run... YER thats fun.

Well said

RooKie · 13 Apr 2003, 15:31

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

You are really the people´s creator!

\o/

maztijn · 13 Apr 2003, 15:34

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Originally posted by Howling

Give us all 21 roids and leave us with the res/consts done.

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I like that also!!
but, if WEET don´t break I won´t play, they got more then 1400 players on there side right now.

/me don´t wanna get outnumbered again

Tri · 13 Apr 2003, 15:35

Depending on how long it is to R10 preperations is finished, I want a totally new round.. With Res/Cons as well..
Surely, if R10 is like only 2 months away, that's silly. But if it is more tho, well

Tri

Grind · 13 Apr 2003, 15:36

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Originally posted by The_Fish
just because people are losing, it doesnt mean we should reset.

Denniz · 13 Apr 2003, 15:37

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Originally posted by maztijn
quote:
but, if WEET don´t break I won´t play, they got more then 1400 players on there side right now.

/me don´t wanna get outnumbered again

dont play r9,5.
Go learn to count instead

babylon · 13 Apr 2003, 15:38

yes do something and a random round 9.5 seems a good idea but with a kick start of some r & c done , but why wait 2 weeks ?

DunkelGraf · 13 Apr 2003, 15:39

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Originally posted by Howling

Give us all 21 roids and leave us with the res/consts done.

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sure, and ull have cr/bs incs right from the beginning.....
nice idea :-(

Tri · 13 Apr 2003, 15:40

To get a winner within Weet ofc.

[Cymru] · 13 Apr 2003, 15:42

I LOVE the idea. WEET may claim they want to carry on to show just how much they can own the rest of the universe.

But i expect even some big weet members will kinda like this idea. With them so far ahead in some cases, a lot of nar in vacation. Theres not much to play for.

I say just get a new rR9.5 started asap. i'd like to see the planets start off like this tho:

1, all planets start with 7 of each roid, no protection time.
2, all planets have, say the first metal mine or even all the first mines upto first eonium mine.
3, all planets have the ability to roid scan as of the start but still have to research the rest for sector unit etc. to stop the xans moaning!
4, all start with fighter capability, or maybe even all ships possible straight off and each planet gets say 1 million of each resource to spend as they see fit.

Grind · 13 Apr 2003, 15:42

this is the most UTTER **** idea ever. im going to have a heart attack just by so many people agreeing with this.

im still getting at least 200 roids a night. it's not my fault vvomm or nar sucks. ;-)

for once i would like to see a round finish as it was intended to be finished, and not stopped because of a buntch of whinners. ive had ***** rounds too but i played to the end. ive worked my ass off this week after being bashed, ive been working my ass off all round, taking up to 2 hours to find a decent targ for myself. i wont allow this to all be thrown away. this is the utmost gayest idea ever.

if this round is being cutshort than i think those that don't want to play 9.5 should get a % of their money back to go to r10.

since we are on the subject of being "Fair" and everything...

DunkelGraf · 13 Apr 2003, 15:42

not to mention everybody having news/mili scans already .....

but at least its harder for ppl to play another round of Farmetarion again.

Einstein · 13 Apr 2003, 15:42

yup, agreed

nexsky · 13 Apr 2003, 15:43

yap, reset sounds nice... just pls enable the option to also change your race again :-)

Ulysses · 13 Apr 2003, 15:45

yes

Twiglet · 13 Apr 2003, 15:47

Reset all con/res imo, if we leave them as they are we will have Cr/Bs coming in right from the start, and we'll have people with news/mils right from the start.
Just reset the whole thing, with 7 roids to start, and 15 people in random gals.
Enable race changes, and ruler/planet name changes, keep it simple.

mjrTorspo · 13 Apr 2003, 15:48

let r9 go on for about 3weeks more.. should be enough to let weet do what they plan to do

then: suffle, give every1 the the choice to choose 10 con + 10res which they want done, 100 roids init the way they want, planet/ruler names, race chances enabled ofc.

5planet priv gals(thats small enough to make them 1 alliance only) and 15-25 planet random gals.

if you are seriosly planning on making us start roidscanning again, bbye, cya again in r11, maybe

btw: what happened to those speed rounds some ppl already paid for in advance in the "r9+r10+speed-package" ?

at0mic.c0w · 13 Apr 2003, 15:51

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Originally posted by Scouse
So would Titans.

who ?

Scouse · 13 Apr 2003, 15:52

I think some of you people need to be less selfish. I don't want to have to be separated from my galaxy either, since that was the only reason I paid the money for a planet, but if the round goes on as it is then round 10 will suffer a lot more.

It benefits everyone, some probably more than others. Everything you've done so far is not a waste. It will be 'remembered' as a round of PA. You knew when you signed up that this was just a filler round. PA crew could have stopped the game now and started round 10, which they did prepare people for. The only difference is that it's not for round 10, it's for a 'new' round 9.

Having to do all the cons/res etc again would be really **** though. If it was my decision I'd allow name change and race change and have all cons/res for every race completed from the start.

Hathor · 13 Apr 2003, 15:59

Why can't the round just play itself out? we've never had this before even though stagnation has happened in past rounds. This just makes me realize that regardless of what I paid far, and I did sign the agreement in the beginning, meant squat. The creators are changing what I agreed to when I paid my money to play.
If this happened anywhere else I could go to consumer affairs or the ombusdsman. Here I'm told I'm selfish if I don't let the round end.
Makes changes, but you'll lose lots of players, hard core players that have been around from the start or close to. I could continue but why bother, you've already made up your minds what you'll do and this is just a sham to make it look like a democratic decision.

mjrTorspo · 13 Apr 2003, 16:01

read my suggestion and agree 101% to it all you ****s

cypher · 13 Apr 2003, 16:02

tbh if creators decide to do this it's useless in every way whatsoever to continue this current round for much longer..

as weet wouldn't go burn their bridges then for a week orso... and know they'd get enemies for the next round actually...

so if there will be a new round just hurry up with it... and make SURE to start it from scratch... so it'll benefit EVERYONE!

just start it soon etc:P

Gerbie · 13 Apr 2003, 16:03

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Originally posted by Coaxmetal
Is it possible to join r 9.5 if you haven't played r9?

Signups for round 9 are still open. Sign up for round 9 and get an account then wait for round 9.5 to begin. Or wait till the ticks stop and buy it then.