Planet Wars: Redux

[Planetkiller II]

The Vice Negociations Specialist for Tau Ceti Prime stands once more.

"We of Tau Ceti Prime would like to take this oppurtunity to voice our support for the fringe worlds increasing their colonies. After all, being on the fringe does bring its own rather large disadvantages, and if we of the League choose to cripple them, their economies will stagnate. We may even incur more problems like New Berlin, with pirates more powerful than planetary systems. This is unacceptable. If the home world is able to adequately support its colonies, it should be allowed to do so. We see no reason why Teian Point should not be allowed to stake claim to colony worlds, if its people are willing to take the risks. After all, it is their choice to move to the colonies. Unless, that is, Elysium's threats prove to be genuine, in which case the League will have to choose what intervention may be neccessary. As and Inner Sphere planet, representatives may not have expected support for the fringe to come from our quarter, but we feel that the needs of the galaxy as a whole outway the Inner Sphere's want to stay the biggest fish in the sea."

[Phang]

dachi you gitting bastard git bastard thread git bastard starting bastard bastard pirates of high wycombe lol bastard I'M GETTING BACK TO MILTON KEYNES TONIGHT AND YOU HAVE TO GO AND PREEMPT ME

[No Dachi]

All
DMing is in progress and will be here shortly.

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Phang

dachi you gitting bastard git bastard thread git bastard starting bastard bastard pirates of high wycombe lol bastard I'M GETTING BACK TO MILTON KEYNES TONIGHT AND YOU HAVE TO GO AND PREEMPT ME

So you can do a spending spree tonight. No problem

[Hewitt]

ooc: My ships are equiped with the ultra-nifty-supa-dupa-hasty-hyperdrive

*The representive of Teian Point jumps to his feet with a rebuttal.*

This is exactly the kind of crap that I just mentioned! There is currently no sign of pirate activity anywhere near the Karlak system! Karlak lies between a highly populated trading centre and one of the leagues largest re-construction efforts! With systems far away from any of this why the bloody hell would pirates bother coming down all this way for the same profits but with a much higher risk!? The welfare of our colonists depends upon having a number of colonies. Having one, single colony would be pointless since a number of resources that could've otherwise been provided by other planets would fall dramtically short. So short it might even rival the short sideness of the people who drafted this preposterious resolution 4902.

The only thing irresponsible here is senchean's continued support for this horrendous resolution and their continued verbal attack upon us. It is clear to us as I am certain it is clear to most other league members that the pirate threat is not in Karlak but in the north fringe and resolution 4902 aims to blur focus from this troubled region and cause the league to effectively eat it's own while the pirates are given the opportunity to close in further.

Remove the pirate threat! Say NO to resolution 4902!!"

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Planetkiller II

The Vice Negociations Specialist for Tau Ceti Prime stands once more.

"We of Tau Ceti Prime would like to take this oppurtunity to voice our support for the fringe worlds increasing their colonies. After all, being on the fringe does bring its own rather large disadvantages, and if we of the League choose to cripple them, their economies will stagnate. We may even incur more problems like New Berlin, with pirates more powerful than planetary systems. This is unacceptable. If the home world is able to adequately support its colonies, it should be allowed to do so. We see no reason why Teian Point should not be allowed to stake claim to colony worlds, if its people are willing to take the risks. After all, it is their choice to move to the colonies. Unless, that is, Elysium's threats prove to be genuine, in which case the League will have to choose what intervention may be neccessary. As and Inner Sphere planet, representatives may not have expected support for the fringe to come from our quarter, but we feel that the needs of the galaxy as a whole outway the Inner Sphere's want to stay the biggest fish in the sea."

The representative from Sanchean stands again

"We have nothing against expansion by a colony that can defend itself, but Tiean Point is completely unable to do so, as they have no military to speak of, and they have no way of protecting their colonies. That is what we take issue with, as the league will have to end up protecting the colonies when all hell breaks loose because of the pirates. "

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Planetkiller II

The Vice Negociations Specialist for Tau Ceti Prime stands once more.

"We of Tau Ceti Prime would like to take this oppurtunity to voice our support for the fringe worlds increasing their colonies. After all, being on the fringe does bring its own rather large disadvantages, and if we of the League choose to cripple them, their economies will stagnate. We may even incur more problems like New Berlin, with pirates more powerful than planetary systems. This is unacceptable. If the home world is able to adequately support its colonies, it should be allowed to do so. We see no reason why Teian Point should not be allowed to stake claim to colony worlds, if its people are willing to take the risks. After all, it is their choice to move to the colonies. Unless, that is, Elysium's threats prove to be genuine, in which case the League will have to choose what intervention may be neccessary. As and Inner Sphere planet, representatives may not have expected support for the fringe to come from our quarter, but we feel that the needs of the galaxy as a whole outway the Inner Sphere's want to stay the biggest fish in the sea."

*To a close by aide:* "Finally. One sane voice rises above the mud slinging match."

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

ooc: My ships are equiped with the ultra-nifty-supa-dupa-hasty-hyperdrive

*The representive of Teian Point jumps to his feet with a rebuttal.*

This is exactly the kind of crap that I just mentioned! There is currently no sign of pirate activity anywhere near the Karlak system! Karlak lies between a highly populated trading centre and one of the leagues largest re-construction efforts! With systems far away from any of this why the bloody hell would pirates bother coming down all this way for the same profits but with a much higher risk!? The welfare of our colonists depends upon having a number of colonies. Having one, single colony would be pointless since a number of resources that could've otherwise been provided by other planets would fall dramtically short. So short it might even rival the short sideness of the people who drafted this preposterious resolution 4902.

The only thing irresponsible here is senchean's continued support for this horrendous resolution and their continued verbal attack upon us. It is clear to us as I am certain it is clear to most other league members that the pirate threat is not in Karlak but in the north fringe and resolution 4902 aims to blur focus from this troubled region and cause the league to effectively eat it's own while the pirates are given the opportunity to close in further.

Remove the pirate threat! Say NO to resolution 4902!!"

"Then make one or two. You have to be joking with five, you don't stand a chance in hell of supporting all of them and keeping the Standard of Living the same. If you want to expand, fine, but FIVE GOD DAMNED COLONIES when you barely have enough people to support your homeworld? In all honesty, who knows what the pirates might do, you've left yourself wide open to an assault, and you are ripe for the picking. If we weren't busy with problems our navy could raze every single settlement that you own without losing a single ship.

How does stopping irresponsible expansion by small backwater planets stop piracy may I ask?"

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

The representative from Sanchean stands again

"We have nothing against expansion by a colony that can defend itself, but Tiean Point is completely unable to do so, as they have no military to speak of, and they have no way of protecting their colonies. That is what we take issue with, as the league will have to end up protecting the colonies when all hell breaks loose because of the pirates. "

"What hell representive of Sanchean? Do you plan to create some? If you're so concerned with our well being then why don't YOU commit forces to the league task force? After all it'll be much easier having all your forces in one place chasing pirate than scattered throughout the galaxy torrenting new colonies. You could be in charge of protect US hey? Wouldn't that be nice?

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

"What hell representive of Sanchean? Do you plan to create some? If you're so concerned with our well being then why don't YOU commit forces to the league task force? After all it'll be much easier having all your forces in one place chasing pirate than scattered throughout the galaxy torrenting new colonies. You could be in charge of protect US hey? Wouldn't that be nice?

"Glad you finally see the point. You deal with your own damn problems, not the league, which we will have to do if you don't start defending your colonies instead of going around founding more. I'll drop the issue if you waive any and all right to league protection until revoked by mutual consent of Tiean Point and the Leauge. "

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

"Then make one or two. You have to be joking with five, you don't stand a chance in hell of supporting all of them and keeping the Standard of Living the same. If you want to expand, fine, but FIVE GOD DAMNED COLONIES when you barely have enough people to support your homeworld? In all honesty, who knows what the pirates might do, you've left yourself wide open to an assault, and you are ripe for the picking. If we weren't busy with problems our navy could raze every single settlement that you own without losing a single ship.

How does stopping irresponsible expansion by small backwater planets stop piracy may I ask?"

*Grins from ear to ear.*

Indeed sanchean, how does oppessing planets stop piracy? I've been asking you that all this time.

And did I hear you said you were going to raze all our peaceful colonies sanchean? This is what resolution 4902 is really about isn't it? You just want to make it easier for your navy to raze us yes? And it's busy you say? What it's busy doing sanchean? Supporting pirates hmm? You seem to like pirates a lot I think considering your planet hosted a resolution aimmed to help the attacker and hinder the defender..."

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

"Glad you finally see the point. You deal with your own damn problems, not the league, which we will have to do if you don't start defending your colonies instead of going around founding more. I'll drop the issue if you waive any and all right to league protection until revoked by mutual consent of Tiean Point and the Leauge. "

"You know if I didn't know any better I would think you just threated us right then. I front of all the league no less..."

[Lakhim]

"We aren't oppressing planets, the resolution makes sure that they are defended instead of left open to pirate attacks. If you have a better suggestion as to the P ratios, I'd like to hear them."

The representative ignores the remainder of the comments by the representative from Tiean Point, as they are irrelevant and pure speculation that has no basis in fact.

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

"You know if I didn't know any better I would think you just threated us right then. I front of all the league no less..."

"Threatened you? Your planet and others like it put a serious drain on our resources of all the planets by providing unarmed targets for pirates. I say it again: If you want the issue to be dropped, wave all rights to protection. If you refuse to protect yourself, I ask that you do not ask the league to do it for you."

[Hewitt]

*Smiles.*

"I'm glad you asked representive for sanchean. You see the reason for founding many colonies at once is a simple one - it insures faster growth and a far more diverse range of resources that can be put to use. It might appear in the beginning that it is widely stretching ones resources and indeed in a system under siege like new berlin this method would be too much of a risk. However, Karlak is not under threat of pirates... for the moment which is why so many colonies have been founded. You see by sharing resources between all of the colonies we can supply them very well indeed and growth rate will be phenominal enough to quickly provide enough citizens, not 'P' sanchean - people aren't a resource you know - citizens for any defence should it be required. In a way by controlling more planets we lessen the options for pirates making our region much safer through peaceful means no less.

Do you understand now sanchean?"

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

ooc: My ships are equiped with the ultra-nifty-supa-dupa-hasty-hyperdrive

As are all colony ships, but that's irrelevant because Hyperdrives cannot be used in-system. Face it, you got beaten to the punch with one of those planets.

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

"Threatened you? Your planet and others like it put a serious drain on our resources of all the planets by providing unarmed targets for pirates. I say it again: If you want the issue to be dropped, wave all rights to protection. If you refuse to protect yourself, I ask that you do not ask the league to do it for you."

"And I say again, pirates are not a problem, although we are very much concerned by power hungry league members such as yourself and Elyssium."

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

*Smiles.*

"I'm glad you asked representive for sanchean. You see the reason for founding many colonies at once is a simple one - it insures faster growth and a far more diverse range of resources that can be put to use. It might appear in the beginning that it is widely stretching ones resources and indeed in a system under siege like new berlin this method would be too much of a risk. However, Karlak is not under threat of pirates... for the moment which is why so many colonies have been founded. You see by sharing resources between all of the colonies we can supply them very well indeed and growth rate will be phenominal enough to quickly provide enough citizens, not 'P' sanchean - people aren't a resource you know - citizens for any defence should it be required. In a way by controlling more planets we lessen the options for pirates making our region much safer through peaceful means no less.

Do you understand now sanchean?"

OOC: Your mixing IC and OOC, as growth rates wouldn't be any quicker on a 5 new worlds then it would be on one...

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

"And I say again, pirates are not a problem, although we are very much concerned by power hungry league members such as yourself and Elyssium."

"f they aren't, then agree to it. You have my word that I will not attack."

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by No Dachi

As are all colony ships, but that's irrelevant because Hyperdrives cannot be used in-system. Face it, you got beaten to the punch with one of those planets.

"In that case the representive for Teian Point demands compensation for the interruption that this illegal and unnecessary hiding of facts has had on our peaceful colonisation plans."

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

"f they aren't, then agree to it. You have my word that I will not attack."

"You do not speak for other league members sir. I'm afraid I'll need a written pact fron every league member that no acts of aggression will be enacted on Teian Point and her colonies before any such declaration can be made."

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

OOC: Your mixing IC and OOC, as growth rates wouldn't be any quicker on a 5 new worlds then it would be on one...

ooc: Um... are you suggesting that a world devoid of any vegetation what-so-ever is going to be the same as one with abundant sources of food and fresh clean water?

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

"You do not speak for other league members sir. I'm afraid I'll need a written pact fron every league member that no acts of aggression will be enacted on Teian Point and her colonies before any such declaration can be made."

"That may be possible, but I would have to yield the discussion to the representative from Elyssium for that."

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

ooc: Um... are you suggesting that a world devoid of any vegetation what-so-ever is going to be the same as one with abundant sources of food and fresh clean water?

Ooc: No, I'm suggesting that one colony with 5,000 people and fresh food/water would grow as fast as five with 1,000 people. Not your homeworld, another colony.

[Hewitt]

ooc: But that is not the case now is it?

[Lakhim]

ooc: IC you don't know that (and I don't feel like working the numbers)

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

"In that case the representive for Teian Point demands compensation for the interruption that this illegal and unnecessary hiding of facts has had on our peaceful colonisation plans."

You don't know that IC yet.

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Crazyboy

5. P or population is the third and final economic resource of PW.
5.a. P is very simple to manage. Each planet type has a P Rate, and each turn your planet's population grows by the P rate of its type.
5.b. Note that while you can "move" P from one planet to another, this must be done with passenger vessels and such.

ooc: See for yourself

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

ooc: See for yourself

ooc: I said IC, as I doubt your representative read that manual to the PW universe. If you want to argue that, then people are a resource...

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Crazyboy

The Kingdom of Elysium, also, has sent out its only colonization efforts, to one of the aforementioned planets, planet 7 in the Karlak system. This colony is close to Elysium, and the Kingdom has the ability to defend the planet and itself. The Kingdom would like to issue an official claim for this planet."

ooc: Wouldn't that reveal it IC?

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

ooc: I said IC, as I doubt your representative read that manual to the PW universe. If you want to argue that, then people are a resource...

ooc: I'm pretty certain he's been kept up to date with the projected fertility of each and every world and is further more given information regarding every other detail of the colonisation effort since it made front page news in the galaxy.

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by Hewitt

ooc: I'm pretty certain he's been kept up to date with the projected fertility of each and every world and is further more given information regarding every other detail of the colonisation effort since it made front page news in the galaxy.

ooc: No reason why a two planets of that same pop rate should have a larger growth rate combined then just one planet alone. ND?

[Zappa Tenderlea]

representative of new Roma:

people, people... remember what the good book says... don't oppress eachother, but aid them in their moments of pain, and allow them their own ideas... I for one see the vast and unprotected collonies as a good thing, in more than one way. If he is indeed not attacked by the pirates, then he will grow fast and strong, being able to aid us, if however, he is attacked, then it was to be expected, and he can be seen as bait thrown out by our league to capture those heathen pirates. the few ships my people have will be ready to depart for your collonies defence as soon as they are needed.

[No Dachi]

First Bienniel Meeting of the League
My, this certainly is a more active session than I was expecting.

In response to Resolution 4902 as proposed by the People's Republic of Sanchean...
No sooner has the Representative of Sanchean finished speaking than the four Representatives of New Moscow (Eastern Hub System, East-H, Eastern Border) world stand and voice support for the proposal. No sooner have the Representatives of Eastern Hub taken their seats again than the sole Representative of Frontier has stood and voiced his vehement opposition to any notion of placing League limits on colonial expansion, accusing the Representative of Sanchean as "attempting to push through a plot to aid the Inner Sphere" and of "betraying the interests of the Fringe that you share with so many other worlds". The Frontier 1 Representative (Frontier System, FRONT, Northeastern Fringe) sits down again to hearty applause from the loose cluster of Representatives from the Northwestern Fringe and to voicing of outrage from a number of Inner Sphere Representatives. At this point President Velasquez calls the Council to order and, attempting to swing it away from this potentially divisive debate, states that there is not sufficient support for the Resolution to call it to vote at this time, and clears the Representative of the Kingdom of Ios to speak.

In response to the Kingdom of Ios' proposal for humanitarian intervention against the Kingdom of Stygis...
President Velasquez immediately reminds the Representative of Ios on finishing his speech that the League is an interplanetary body not concerned with how a planetary government handles affairs relating to its own people alone. Despite a series of objections from the more vocal Representatives of liberally-minded worlds, President Velasquez refuses to allow any further discussion on the matter, instead clearing the Representative of Elyssium to speak.

In response to the Kingdom of Elyssium's call for the resolution of a territorial dispute in the Karlak System...
President Velasquez immediately refers the problem to the League Commission for Territorial Claims, perhaps trying to prevent the Elyssian Representative's case from sparking the debate regarding Resolution 4902 again. The move unfortunatly fails, and one of the two Representatives of the Republic of Terre Haut (Northern Fringe System, Nor-H, Northern Border) immediately voices support for Elyssium's case, citing Teian Point's "overly-ambitious" colonial expansion as "a danger both to the planet's people and to the stability of the Northeastern Border". The Representative goes on to remind the Council that the proposed Resolution 4902 will ensure that no planet be allowed to do this, nor "waste the League's time attempting to". The Representative of Altan rises immediately as the Terre Hautan Representative takes his seat, damning the Resolution and reminding the Council that League Conventions of earlier years had chosen to preserve the original "your claim is valid if you make good of it" rule of claims and colonisation. President Velasquez breaks in at this point, ordering both Representatives to silence and referring the territorial dispute in the Karlak System to the League Commission for Territorial Claims once more, before clearing Vice Admiral Jean Bisson of Freiland to speak.

In response to the Republic of Freiland's request for League resources to aid the surpression of pirates operating on the Northern Fringe...
The Representative of the Republic of Barak (Barak System, Barak, Southeastern Fringe) immediately stands in support of the notion, as raised by Freiland, of League subsidies for planets that initiate large-scale anti-piracy action. The four Representatives of Uranus (LOLOLOL, Sol System, Sol, Inner Sphere) immediately stand to condemn any such idea, citing the laws against space piracy as decided by the first League Convention on the matter, which state that it is the responsibility of all planets to prevent piracy from taking hold in their sphere of influence. The Baraki Representative again stands, accusing the Uranan line as being "typical of the cold Inner Sphere worlds who, unnafflicted themselves by piracy, believe it to be easy to combat and surpress". He returns to his seat to a similar pattern of response that the Representative of Frontier 1 did; outrage from the Inner Sphere, hearty support from the Fringe. President Velasquez breaks in and asks for a report from Lars van Straake, League Commissioner for Space Piracy. Van Straake confirms both that it is, by League Convention, the responsibility of every planet to handle piracy within its sphere of influence on its own. He also states, however, that it is clear that the organised pirate clans in the Northern Fringe now possess more power than some of the smaller Fringe worlds can muster, and states that "unless the situation takes a dramatic turn for the better, we are going to have to consider League action against the pirate sooner or later". President Velasquez refuses to call the Freilander proposal to vote based on this statement, and attempts to move the Council on to other matters. In a rare event, he is shouted down as he attempts to do so by the Fringe worlds, who feel as though the subject has not been given enough thought. Reluctantly, Velasquez turns to the Representative of Tau Ceti Prime. Prime's proposal is again immediately proposed by the Uranan Representatives. "We state once again that this matter is the responsibility of the Fringe Worlds and the Fringe Worlds alone. The government of the Republic of Uranus sees no reason why the lives of its soldiers should be risked to cover for the incompetence of the Fringe World governments". A large number of Representatives from Inner Sphere worlds stand in support of this sentiment. Sensing danger, Velasquez moves onto the Representative of Sulphos.

In response to the request by the Empire of Sulphos for the League to affirm its claim to the fourth planet of the Low Reach System...
The lone Representative of New Sparta immediately rises in objection to the Sulphosi Representative's "callous and false accusations". He states that the government of New Sparta is acting "in the interests of defense of the state" and that its grounds for refusal of Sulphosi claims on the jungle planet are "to prevent this dangerous and totalitarian power from gaining any more ground". He goes on to state that Sulphos would be considerably less of a "Hell World" if its government were to recognise and respect basic human rights. President Velasquez refers the problem to the League Commission for Terriorial Claims.

The Leauge Commission for Territorial Claims quickly rules that New Sparta has no grounds to deny the Sulphosi claim to the jungle planet and, having determined that Sulphos is capable of supporting and developing the colony, dully approves the Sulphosi claim to it.

Hoping that the quick and successful resolution of this latest dispute will set a trend for the rest of the Meeting, President Velasquez moves on to the next speaker.

Returning to the matter of the proposed Resolution 4902...
On hearing the end of the speech of Vice President Morgan of Cienelle, President Velasquez immediately acknowledges the speaker before hastily moving on, stating that the matter of proposed limits on colonisation in relation to infrastructure has already been discussed.

Returning to the matter of a proposed League task force to act against pirates operating on the Northern Fringe...
The Representatives of Uranus again rise at the end of the Representative of Nova Centauri's speech. "Fellow Representatives, this attitude is typical of those who would have the League act against the pirates. They are all full of ideas as to what the League should do, but when push comes to shove, they themselves are not willing to provide the resources for such an action".

Returning to the matter of the territorial dispute in Karlak and of the proposed Resolution 4902...
The effect of the Representative of Teian Point's speech is immediate and massive. Instantly, the General Council is polarised. Where before a minority had been advocating Resolution 4902 and a minority had been opposing it with the majority abstaining, the abstainers were now in the minority, with the vast majority of Representatives either loudly applauding Teian Point's representative (most of these appear to be Representatives from Fringe and Border worlds) or voicing outrage to it (most of these appear to be Representatives from Inner Sphere and Border worlds). The Teian Point Representative's inflammatory speech appears to have done its work well. The Representative of Seanchan again stands and again re-iterates its support for the proposed resolution. This time, when he takes his seat, the Representative of Seanchan is support by almost half of the Representatives in the Council. The Representative of Tau Ceti Prime inserts a brief moment of calm into the increasingly partisan debate, but its pacifying affect is quickly swept away by a continuous and ever-more heated debate between the Seanchani and Teian Representatives. Back and forth, back and forth the debate rages, with less and less Representatives remaining neutral to both sides of the conflict on each cycle. Finally, President Velasquez, looking fraught, cattempts to call the Council to order.

"Quiet! Quiet! Order! I call the Council to order," He says, standing as he always does on the raised platform in the centre of the ampitheatre-like arrangement in which the Representatives sit. The entire General Council chamber is pannelled in fine wood, which is rare on a space station such as the League Headquarters Station. No expense had been spared building the station. "It appears the the floor is evenly devided as to Resolution 4902, and as such I shall not call it into vote at this t-" he is immediately cut off by uproar from the Inner Sphere planets, who have now been worked up into furor by repeated accusations of hypocrisy and isolationism coming from the Fringe worlds. Momentarily units with their estranged fellow Representatives, the Fringe worlders also loudly express discontent with the President's refusal to call the issue to vote. For a few moments the chamber is full of nothing but booming voices. Then, suddenly, in perhaps the first time in League history, the President is forced to turn around on a desicion of vote-calling, Velasquez caves in. "In light of the feelings of the Representatives with regard to this issue, I hereby call Resolution 4902 to vote."

The General Council of the League of Planets is called to vote: Resolution 4902 as proposed by the People's Republic of Sanchean...
(It should be noted that by this time the pro-Resolution lobby has modified the terms of the Resolution somewhat to make them slightly more acceptable to uncommitted Border worlds)

Resolution 4902 of the League of Planets
CITING piracy on the North Fringe (unchanged)

POINTING OUT the difficulties in keeping the small colony New Berlin supplied (unchanged)

POINTING OUT the difficulties in keeping other colonies in the Northern Fringe supplied. (unchanged)
POINTING OUT the pandemic levels of piracy in and around the Northern Fringe (added)

CITING the unrealistic expansion by some of the newer planets as reason for this pandemic (added)

CITING the lack of those planets to keep themselves and their colony planets supplied in the event of a disaster. (unchanged)

CITING the likelihood of a restriction on trade due to the increased risk of piracy in the known star systems. (unchanged)

(one clause removed)

RESOLVED that the number of colonies a government can found is limited by a ratio of 1 colony for every 4,000 people governed or 1 colony for every 600 RM produced per month, the higher ratio being the limit (reduced)

RESOLVED that each planet must have a population of no less then 10,000 people before a new colony may be founded from that population base. (reduced)

RESOLVED that each planet owned by a government must have a population of over 4,000 people before a new colony may be founded. (reduced)

VOTE NOW!

[Hewitt]

"The representive of Teian Point thanks the honourable representive of New Roma for their support in this matter."

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

ooc: No reason why a two planets of that same pop rate should have a larger growth rate combined then just one planet alone. ND?

Eh?

[Lakhim]

Sanchean casts its lone vote in favor of the proposal.

ooc: Debate is closed on the issue I take it?

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by No Dachi

Eh?

Rule clarification. IC, can a character claim that distributing P over several planets causes a faster population growth then concentrating it on one planet?

[No Dachi]

Analysis
I can't actually believe this. This is the first (first) Bienniel Meeting of the League General Council in-game for Turn 0 and you've already brought the League dangerously close to breaking. Observe how the General Council is polarising at the moment; Resolution 4902 may have been cited as a means to reduce piracy but it is giving you Inner Sphere worlds the oppurtunity to deny the Fringe worlds the advantage of the oppurtunity for quick outward expansion that comes with their location. The Fringe worlds in turn are seeing the Inner Sphere worlds as acting in self-interest alone, and they've been forced into a collective "Fringe Faction" by their outrage at the Inner Sphere worlds' majority refusal to recognise and condone action against the piracy problems in the Fringe. If Resolution 4902 goes through, the inevitable conclusion drawn by most Fringe worlds and their people is going to be that the League acts to serve the interests of the Inner Sphere worlds (who are fewer in number, but more influential and with a larger number of Seats per planet). This would have an extremely damaging effect on the League standing in the Fringe and, since the Fringe will come to encompass any future colonies established beyond it, on the League's long-term standing outside of the Inner Sphere and Border worlds. If indeed this does happen, a few more divisive issues could be the end of the League.

I mean it was meant to last untill Tier 2 at least...

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

Rule clarification. IC, can a character claim that distributing P over several planets causes a faster population growth then concentrating it on one planet?

IC, he can claim anything he likes.

[Hewitt]

*Votes NO against resolution 4902.*

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by No Dachi

IC, he can claim anything he likes.

ooc: Fine. Does he have a point?

And you should have known you were in for some trouble when I showed up If you look at the map though, I am a fringe world...lol.

[No Dachi]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

ooc: Fine. Does he have a point?

And you should have known you were in for some trouble when I showed up If you look at the map though, I am a fringe world...lol.

Yes, he could claim that.

Your counter-claim would be that despite extra population growth from colonising these five worlds, he wouldn't be able to properly sustain or take care of this increased population, not on six different planets at once.

[Inspectre]

Freiland votes "NAY" for Resolution 4092

[Zappa Tenderlea]

*votes No*

[Lakhim]

Originally Posted by No Dachi

Yes, he could claim that.

Your counter-claim would be that despite extra population growth from colonising these five worlds, he wouldn't be able to properly sustain or take care of this increased population, not on six different planets at once.

Which it is, and I dispute that it is fact that he would have greater growth...moot point though, considering that debate is closed.

[Hewitt]

Originally Posted by No Dachi

Analysis
I can't actually believe this. This is the first (first) Bienniel Meeting of the League General Council in-game for Turn 0 and you've already brought the League dangerously close to breaking. Observe how the General Council is polarising at the moment; Resolution 4902 may have been cited as a means to reduce piracy but it is giving you Inner Sphere worlds the oppurtunity to deny the Fringe worlds the advantage of the oppurtunity for quick outward expansion that comes with their location. The Fringe worlds in turn are seeing the Inner Sphere worlds as acting in self-interest alone, and they've been forced into a collective "Fringe Faction" by their outrage at the Inner Sphere worlds' majority refusal to recognise and condone action against the piracy problems in the Fringe. If Resolution 4902 goes through, the inevitable conclusion drawn by most Fringe worlds and their people is going to be that the League acts to serve the interests of the Inner Sphere worlds (who are fewer in number, but more influential and with a larger number of Seats per planet). This would have an extremely damaging effect on the League standing in the Fringe and, since the Fringe will come to encompass any future colonies established beyond it, on the League's long-term standing outside of the Inner Sphere and Border worlds. If indeed this does happen, a few more divisive issues could be the end of the League.

I mean it was meant to last untill Tier 2 at least...

ooc: \o/

[Inspectre]

Freiland Research as of Turn 0

/ooc These are being researched in order. ooc/

Warfare - Reinforced Hull Armour - 1 RP
Civic – Basic Biodomes – 1 RP
Science – Advanced Robotics – 3 RP
Civic – Research Facilities – 2 RP
Warfare – Double-Hulled Ships – 3 RP

[Fluffie]

Originally Posted by Lakhim

"If we weren't busy with problems our navy could raze every single settlement that you own without losing a single ship.

Upon that comment, the Iosi representative stands up, knowing his king would've done the same thing had he been present. But he wasn't, so the representative did. Eyeing the Seanchan representative with a cold look on his face, the representative speaks.

"Ios hears hostile words here. We shall not keep ourselves from taking a side, should your words ever become reality.

Originally Posted by No Dachi

In response to the Kingdom of Ios' proposal for humanitarian intervention against the Kingdom of Stygis...
President Velasquez immediately reminds the Representative of Ios on finishing his speech that the League is an interplanetary body not concerned with how a planetary government handles affairs relating to its own people alone. Despite a series of objections from the more vocal Representatives of liberally-minded worlds, President Velasquez refuses to allow any further discussion on the matter, instead clearing the Representative of Elyssium to speak.

The representative of Ios rose to his feet once more, speaking swiftly but determined.

"Ios can only stand to watch so much. We live with the best for our brethern on Stygis in mind..."

Throwing a quick look at the representative of Stygis, the Iosi representative nods shortly to those voices having supported him earlier on, showing his and Ios' gratitude.

Originally Posted by No Dachi

In response to the Republic of Freiland's request for League resources to aid the surpression of pirates operating on the Northern Fringe...
The Representative of the Republic of Barak (Barak System, Barak, Southeastern Fringe) immediately stands in support of the notion, as raised by Freiland, of League subsidies for planets that initiate large-scale anti-piracy action. The four Representatives of Uranus (LOLOLOL, Sol System, Sol, Inner Sphere) immediately stand to condemn any such idea, citing the laws against space piracy as decided by the first League Convention on the matter, which state that it is the responsibility of all planets to prevent piracy from taking hold in their sphere of influence. The Baraki Representative again stands, accusing the Uranan line as being "typical of the cold Inner Sphere worlds who, unnafflicted themselves by piracy, believe it to be easy to combat and surpress". He returns to his seat to a similar pattern of response that the Representative of Frontier 1 did; outrage from the Inner Sphere, hearty support from the Fringe. President Velasquez breaks in and asks for a report from Lars van Straake, League Commissioner for Space Piracy. Van Straake confirms both that it is, by League Convention, the responsibility of every planet to handle piracy within its sphere of influence on its own. He also states, however, that it is clear that the organised pirate clans in the Northern Fringe now possess more power than some of the smaller Fringe worlds can muster, and states that "unless the situation takes a dramatic turn for the better, we are going to have to consider League action against the pirate sooner or later". President Velasquez refuses to call the Freilander proposal to vote based on this statement, and attempts to move the Council on to other matters. In a rare event, he is shouted down as he attempts to do so by the Fringe worlds, who feel as though the subject has not been given enough thought. Reluctantly, Velasquez turns to the Representative of Tau Ceti Prime. Prime's proposal is again immediately proposed by the Uranan Representatives. "We state once again that this matter is the responsibility of the Fringe Worlds and the Fringe Worlds alone. The government of the Republic of Uranus sees no reason why the lives of its soldiers should be risked to cover for the incompetence of the Fringe World governments". A large number of Representatives from Inner Sphere worlds stand in support of this sentiment. Sensing danger, Velasquez moves onto the Representative of Sulphos.

Returning to the matter of a proposed League task force to act against pirates operating on the Northern Fringe...
The Representatives of Uranus again rise at the end of the Representative of Nova Centauri's speech. "Fellow Representatives, this attitude is typical of those who would have the League act against the pirates. They are all full of ideas as to what the League should do, but when push comes to shove, they themselves are not willing to provide the resources for such an action".

The representative of Ios, once more, stands up, addressing the council.

"How would the Inner worlds react if the Fringe worlds were all ruined, effectively opening the gates to the Inner worlds themselves? Then, would you perhaps support an effort in order to stop piracy? Know that it will be harder to stop them if they have been allowed to breach our defences. They will have gained even more in power and masses, perhaps ending all civilized existence."

He takes a short breath.

"Think not only of our children, but also yours!"



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Originally Posted by No Dachi

The General Council of the League of Planets is called to vote: Resolution 4902 as proposed by the People's Republic of Sanchean...
(It should be noted that by this time the pro-Resolution lobby has modified the terms of the Resolution somewhat to make them slightly more acceptable to uncommitted Border worlds)

Resolution 4902 of the League of Planets
CITING piracy on the North Fringe (unchanged)

POINTING OUT the difficulties in keeping the small colony New Berlin supplied (unchanged)

POINTING OUT the difficulties in keeping other colonies in the Northern Fringe supplied. (unchanged)
POINTING OUT the pandemic levels of piracy in and around the Northern Fringe (added)

CITING the unrealistic expansion by some of the newer planets as reason for this pandemic (added)

CITING the lack of those planets to keep themselves and their colony planets supplied in the event of a disaster. (unchanged)

CITING the likelihood of a restriction on trade due to the increased risk of piracy in the known star systems. (unchanged)

(one clause removed)

RESOLVED that the number of colonies a government can found is limited by a ratio of 1 colony for every 4,000 people governed or 1 colony for every 600 RM produced per month, the higher ratio being the limit (reduced)

RESOLVED that each planet must have a population of no less then 10,000 people before a new colony may be founded from that population base. (reduced)

RESOLVED that each planet owned by a government must have a population of over 4,000 people before a new colony may be founded. (reduced)

VOTE NOW!

"Ios votes against Resolution 4902."

[Bakan]

Votes: No!