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Unread 10 Sep 2008, 01:17   #1
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Moar Buttons

To whom it may concern.. again.

Ok In the good old days, you had 4 buttons at the top.

1. News
2. Mail
3. Hostiles
4. Allies

For some reason it was deemed that the hostiles/allies was taking up too much CPU usage (or what ever the reason was) and were dropped.

I propose that they are reintroduced back, and even include new ones.

1. News
2. Mail
3. Hostiles
4. Allies
5. Gal Hostiles
6. Gal Allies

That gives a full "quick" picture as the whats going on.

However you could in theory remove both "allies" buttons and just have 4.

1. News
2. Mail
3. Hostiles
4. Gal Hostiles

This I hope would be the minimum option if it were considered.

While we on it can some one make a small but dramatic change to the html for the game page.

1. Seperate the score/rank values so they can be more versatile in their placements, or at least encase one of the in a < span > tag.

2. The tick value needs its title seperating like the other values (header_tick_title, header_tick)

3. The "New Thread" link in the forum needs a class adding to it. As it stands its hard to get any css added to it without a heck lot of messing.

4. Current structure of Title+Head are seperate, would it be possible to combine e.g.

Code:
<div id="header_score"><span id="header_score_title">Score:</span>11,000,000</div>
Its make life easier trust me.

I have more but i'm off to bed, so i'll complain more tomorrow (-:

but before i go the reason I'm asking for these is because, I tried to do CSS skins for PA a while a go and did a damn good job, But that was when PA didnt use CSS.

Now i have the html files I can redo my versions, even if some of the placement of objects seems a little wierd to me (#header inside the #contents ???)

Currently I have 95% completed (need testing on all screens).

1. Round 3 - Looking very nice.
2. Round 5
3. Cathaar - Redone the content structure.

These also include better structure for all content (borders, backgrounds, etc).
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Unread 10 Sep 2008, 09:09   #2
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Re: Moar Buttons

This is where i would post a link to HCI good practises for web design that mentions how many elements should be on screen at once without overwhelming the user, but i really cant be bothered to.
If you want, go google for it.
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Re: Moar Buttons

tbh i'm not sure who or what your refering to (yes I know what HCI stands for).

However the Planetarion page in it self is a complex and very heavy on data, and placing the data on the screen needs a lot of elements to make it possible to be custumised.

You have the basic elements on the PA page of

#menu
#header
#content

The main problem I have with html is the "input" tag, that include 2 very different inputs, buttons and edit boxs. Without actually giving each input a class you cant distinguish them.

Yes you can give certain tags the same appearance (tables etc), but if there is a problem with a specific table you cant do anything without adding yet another class tag.

Keeping the screen and code clean helps alot, but a problem always exists between style and speed.
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Re: Moar Buttons

What's wrong with Gal Status?
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Re: Moar Buttons

Like Machado, I don't really see the added value of multiple buttons referring to the exact same damn page. Besides, you already get a "A planet in your galaxy has incoming!" message when there's something interesting to see on the galaxy status; that seems good enough for me.

As for the other suggestions you made, I'm not knowledgeable enough about HTML/webdesign to comment on those, so I won't.
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Re: Moar Buttons

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What's wrong with Gal Status?
Well the idea is so you dont have to go look at it unless, you see the button come up.
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Like Machado, I don't really see the added value of multiple buttons referring to the exact same damn page.
Cool we can remove the mail and news buttons then too?
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Cool we can remove the mail and news buttons then too?
If they're replaced by similar messages, sure, why not!
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Re: Moar Buttons

so in that case the reverse is true, we can replace the current "galaxy incoming" message with a button?
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Re: Moar Buttons

No. Consider the difference between a useless button hogging space even when nothing interesting is happening and a message that draws attention to important events if and only if they occur.
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Re: Moar Buttons

I would remove both the mail and news 'buttons' and just highlight their links in the menu when needed.
The info provided about incomings on the overview (hostiles and friendlies) is better now than when it was buttons. Though I agree the red 'Hostiles' button was a dreaded sight.
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