Phraktos

[Appocomaster]

I'd just like to say that personally I feel really sorry for all those Phraktos members, maybe those who weren't around all the time or who weren't vocal, who suddenly found their HC had put them at war, in most cases with galaxy mates, then found Krush and Touri, (who quit FAnG to join Phraktos if I'm not mistaken?) deleted their planets after FAnG, MISTU and other alliances hit Phraktos in reply to their unannounced launches just 1 1/2 days ago, and since then have really seen players leave to join other alliances or just quit as the round ends in about 10 days time.

Maybe I'm completely wrong and they all had a secret vote about going to war and wanting to hit everyone else, but I doubt it somehow. I think anyone trying to keep Phraktos going is creditworthy, if fighting an impossible battle, and I'm not sure whether we'll see Phraktos around next round or not. If we do, I'll have nothing but respect left for those in it from this round.

[LB|away]

Originally Posted by Appocomaster

I'd just like to say that personally I feel really sorry for all those Phraktos members, maybe those who weren't around all the time or who weren't vocal, who suddenly found their HC had put them at war, in most cases with galaxy mates, then found Krush and Touri, (who quit FAnG to join Phraktos if I'm not mistaken?) deleted their planets after FAnG, MISTU and other alliances hit Phraktos in reply to their unannounced launches just 1 1/2 days ago, and since then have really seen players leave to join other alliances or just quit as the round ends in about 10 days time.

Maybe I'm completely wrong and they all had a secret vote about going to war and wanting to hit everyone else, but I doubt it somehow. I think anyone trying to keep Phraktos going is creditworthy, if fighting an impossible battle, and I'm not sure whether we'll see Phraktos around next round or not. If we do, I'll have nothing but respect left for those in it from this round.

Well said

But so much happened what most of the phraktos member prolly didnt even know about.
I assume krush handled alone and thought hisself worthy enough to talk for the entire alliance

[Desse]

I am wondering how many Phraktos players are allowed to join Mistu/Fang or any other alliance for that matter.

Once there was "honour" for an alliance in not taking in "defectors".

is that honour still there ?

[Appocomaster]

Originally Posted by Desse

I am wondering how many Phraktos players are allowed to join Mistu/Fang or any other alliance for that matter.

Once there was "honour" for an alliance in not taking in "defectors".

is that honour still there ?

I don't think that any Phraktos players applying for other alliances will be immediately taken in, but if they're good players who weren't at fault for the fall of Phraktos, then why shouldn't they be taken in? If you were a, say, top 200 player, who's alliance suddenly went downhill through no fault of your own; half of who's players had quit, and who everyone had the co-ords of and were hitting in waves (lo Vision, I know you're doing it probably more than FAnG ), then what would you do?

[Jonas]

Originally Posted by Desse

I am wondering how many Phraktos players are allowed to join Mistu/Fang or any other alliance for that matter.

Once there was "honour" for an alliance in not taking in "defectors".

is that honour still there ?

Its gone...Alliances need members etc.

lo Desse btw

[Desse]

Originally Posted by Jonas

lo Desse btw

Lo jonas.

[mens]

To All Of You Who Are Gonna Flame Phraktos In This Thread:

I Totally Agree With You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

[Appocomaster]

Originally Posted by mens

To All Of You Who Are Gonna Flame Phraktos In This Thread:

I Totally Agree With You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

you'll look rather stupid if no one else flames the thread then.

[Neferti]

i must say even i feel somewhat sorry for Phraktos. so much so i even apologised to one when i found out my target this morning was phraktos (i didnt actually know). i've played every round of PA and i've never seen so prominent an alliance die so drastically and visibly, without even a blaze of glory...

as i write there are 47 members remaining. That's still enough to make a decent go of it, IF (and it's probably a big 'if' i expect) they can get their act together. but with just 10 days left is there much point?

i never liked FPM but this is just sad

[Cayl]

Originally Posted by Neferti

i've played every round of PA and i've never seen so prominent an alliance die so drastically and visibly, without even a blaze of glory...

there is exactly one precedent for such a thing, and you have to go way back to round 2.

Concordium was the most feared alliance of r1, and came out strong as WaC in r2. The moment Fury+Legion declared war, they folded like a bad hand of cards, setting the stage for 2 more rounds of single sided boredom.

[Blazde]

Originally Posted by Appocomaster

I feel really sorry for all those Phraktos members, maybe those who weren't around all the time or who weren't vocal, who suddenly found their HC had put them at war,
...
Maybe I'm completely wrong and they all had a secret vote about going to war and wanting to hit everyone else, but I doubt it somehow.

Err, wtf. Planetarion is a war game. (And it's an HC's job to choose those wars as they see fit, because they're much more qualified to decide these things, and they often know details they have to keep secret from their members.)

I think maybe you meant you feel sorry for those Phraktos members who suddenly found they weren't at war for 4-5 weeks?

[Appocomaster]

Originally Posted by Blazde

Err, wtf. Planetarion is a war game. (And it's an HC's job to choose those wars as they see fit, because they're much more qualified to decide these things, and they often know details they have to keep secret from their members.)

I think maybe you meant you feel sorry for those Phraktos members who suddenly found they weren't at war for 4-5 weeks?

I know it's a war game. But tbh, I think we can see, though the HC's job is to decide which war to make, I think everyone can see they chose wrong. I'm not sure how many are left that would claim to care. I feel sorry for the members who've suffered from their HC's choice, that's all. If they wanted to break the FPM triad, they should have at least done as they were rumored to almost have done, to ally with wp or something, arrange lots of launches and have some structure going, instead of having one attaack after delcaring war and not much else.

[Tomkat]

I feel sorry for the members too. They put their trust in the HC there, and the HC let them down.

Also, I don't see any reason why an ex-phraktos member wouldn't be allowed to move to FAnG or MISTU. They fought on that side before. If they get through the application (although I'm not even sure if MISTU are still recruiting, I'll have to ask an RO) ok, with vouches etc, thats fine by me...

[JC]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Also, I don't see any reason why an ex-phraktos member wouldn't be allowed to move to FAnG or MISTU.

If i was a HC and had the possibility of recruiting someone jumping ship like that i would be very wary. They are obviously showing absolutely no loyalty and only care about their own score rather than helping their alliance so are quite willing to jump to the winning side as soon as things take a turn for the worse. I would have no guarentee they wont do exactly the same thing in a few weeks/months time if suddenly my alliance is on the wrong side of a war.

[waffle]

Originally Posted by JC

If i was a HC and had the possibility of recruiting someone jumping ship like that i would be very wary. They are obviously showing absolutely no loyalty and only care about their own score rather than helping their alliance so are quite willing to jump to the winning side as soon as things take a turn for the worse. I would have no guarentee they wont do exactly the same thing in a few weeks/months time if suddenly my alliance is on the wrong side of a war.

Our HC and Officers all quit, there is no command structure. No command=no direction. No direction=no future. If you were on private server seeing the way it is now, you'd agree to. Even after our HC's quit, Officers quit/kicked, there were still some of us on private server trying to get some defence for people. About 10 people total when I was in there.

And everytime a phraktos got waved, we couldn't cover it, they just wanted to delete as well. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have not been in the conditions we have been in the past few days since this whole fiasco started.

[JC]

Originally Posted by waffle

Our HC and Officers all quit, there is no command structure. No command=no direction. No direction=no future. If you were on private server seeing the way it is now, you'd agree to. Even after our HC's quit, Officers quit/kicked, there were still some of us on private server trying to get some defence for people. About 10 people total when I was in there.

And everytime a phraktos got waved, we couldn't cover it, they just wanted to delete as well. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have not been in the conditions we have been in the past few days since this whole fiasco started.

To assume i have never been in a shit alliance with 24/7 incoming and no possible defence is a bit stupid when you dont know me.

Anyways, you might want to re-read my post, i wasnt so much having a go at Phraktos members that are jumping ship, i was putting myself in the shoes of a FAnG or Mistu HC and saying what i would be thinking. I have never had a problem recruiting people in between rounds, however i dont see the point of recruiting people mid round from an opposing block, as you are just leaving yourself open for problems that you dont need to subject yourself to seeing as you are already winning.

[Bu||seye]

Originally Posted by waffle

You have not been in the conditions we have been in the past few days since this whole fiasco started.

I remember ND being waved and ppl not deleting...
But anyways, kudos to the ppl in Phraktos deciding for the war.

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by waffle

Our HC and Officers all quit, there is no command structure. No command=no direction. No direction=no future. If you were on private server seeing the way it is now, you'd agree to. Even after our HC's quit, Officers quit/kicked, there were still some of us on private server trying to get some defence for people. About 10 people total when I was in there.

And everytime a phraktos got waved, we couldn't cover it, they just wanted to delete as well. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have not been in the conditions we have been in the past few days since this whole fiasco started.

All of that I can understand - but here's something puzzling me which you may be able to explain. Most phraktos got wave after wave of inbound last night - mainly from Mistu/FAng. But those in certain galaxies, such as yours, got very little inbound - as though they'd already defected before the command of Phraktos totally disintegrated.

Not just that, but some Phraktos (including some of your galaxy - though not you personally) proceeded to send attacks at other Phraktos, in some cases using all 3 of their fleets.

Those Phraktos attacking other Phraktos with 3 fleets are clearly either:

1. Taking roid donations from Phraktos members who no longer care - which is farming and against the rules,
2. Have such a low level of loyalty that they not only jump ship but assist in killing off their former comrades.

Do you have any infromation on which of these is it?

And which do other AD readers find most disgusting - the behaviour of these individuals, or the behaviour of the HC of Mistu/FAng which, even if not accepting them as members, are happy to give these planets protection?

[midge5]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Not just that, but some Phraktos (including some of your galaxy - though not you personally) proceeded to send attacks at other Phraktos, in some cases using all 3 of their fleets.

The person in Waffle's galaxy who did that was kicked from Phraktos within hours of the war starting for no apparent reason that we know of. It was only after this that he then launched on Phraktos.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

But those in certain galaxies, such as yours, got very little inbound - as though they'd already defected before the command of Phraktos totally disintegrated.

You're serious? You believe that the reason we didn't hit some Phraktos galaxies was because they had some kind of protection from us? The reason was simply that we were concentrating on some galaxies to weaken their overall force. There's no way we could hit every single Phraktos member in one night, so we concentrated on galaxies.

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Not just that, but some Phraktos (including some of your galaxy - though not you personally) proceeded to send attacks at other Phraktos, in some cases using all 3 of their fleets.

Are you playing this round? You can't hit members in your alliance. The game has hardcoded it so you are unable to.

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

And which do other AD readers find most disgusting - the behaviour of these individuals, or the behaviour of the HC of Mistu/FAng which, even if not accepting them as members, are happy to give these planets protection?

Actually I find this blatant rumour-mongoring to to be the most disgusting

[hinchles]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

All of that I can understand - but here's something puzzling me which you may be able to explain. Most phraktos got wave after wave of inbound last night - mainly from Mistu/FAng. But those in certain galaxies, such as yours, got very little inbound - as though they'd already defected before the command of Phraktos totally disintegrated.

Not just that, but some Phraktos (including some of your galaxy - though not you personally) proceeded to send attacks at other Phraktos, in some cases using all 3 of their fleets.

Those Phraktos attacking other Phraktos with 3 fleets are clearly either:

1. Taking roid donations from Phraktos members who no longer care - which is farming and against the rules,
2. Have such a low level of loyalty that they not only jump ship but assist in killing off their former comrades.

Do you have any infromation on which of these is it?

And which do other AD readers find most disgusting - the behaviour of these individuals, or the behaviour of the HC of Mistu/FAng which, even if not accepting them as members, are happy to give these planets protection?

just a little OT here i seem to remember fury and virus doing exactly the same with some of fangs biggest members in our founding round as we were teh only challange to you you used exactly the same tatics cant fault them either they work spot on

[Pippin Took]

Originally Posted by waffle

Our HC and Officers all quit, there is no command structure. No command=no direction. No direction=no future. If you were on private server seeing the way it is now, you'd agree to. Even after our HC's quit, Officers quit/kicked, there were still some of us on private server trying to get some defence for people. About 10 people total when I was in there.

And everytime a phraktos got waved, we couldn't cover it, they just wanted to delete as well. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have not been in the conditions we have been in the past few days since this whole fiasco started.

ROFLMAO hey Vision survived the whole round like that and we are still around. Not much fun being waved by FPM and WP but thats where loyalty and pride come in.
Vision, did we win, no ofc not, but we are still here and fighting!!

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by JC

If i was a HC and had the possibility of recruiting someone jumping ship like that i would be very wary.

JC - the HC (Krush) deleted his own planet and quit when he realised he'd lose his ships.

Loyalty and dedication isn't something the HC have set a good example for.

[[Graham]]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I feel sorry for the members too. They put their trust in the HC there, and the HC let them down.

Also, I don't see any reason why an ex-phraktos member wouldn't be allowed to move to FAnG or MISTU. They fought on that side before. If they get through the application (although I'm not even sure if MISTU are still recruiting, I'll have to ask an RO) ok, with vouches etc, thats fine by me...

is this before or after you roid thier planets into the ground?

they come to you say 'can i join?' you go yes and while thier application is gathering vouches you take advantage and rape, this is not honourable.

if you are ex phraktos who did fight on thier side your far better off without drawing attantion to your alliancless planet.

[Waku]

well well well it seems you cant even miss a day of planetarion

[Blazde]

TomKat worried about losing 2nd place to WP?

[General Martok]

The round only lasts for 10 more days. Everyone recruiting ex-phraktos players now just has no spine... AFTER those 10 days is another story ofcourse.

[alch]

The following View is something im expressing as an individual and do not reflect in any way my alliance views.
What happened to Phraktos right now is something i can say i experienced in the Past, is end of Round10 sounds to you a little bit familiar?

An alliance can be an analogy to a troop in the Army, Soldiers are gathered around their officers, They fight with him day day and put their trust in him, as an ex-soldier and ex-officer in the Army, i would say that if i didnt trust my officer, i wouldnt dare to go into many missions we had and i wouldnt follow him because this can result into a very bad experience at the worst case: Death.

The same was about Phraktos, the minute Grim left Phraktos and the alliance was commanded by the Few HCs left, (Colle left too but made a fishy come back or at least walked around like he owned the place), Trust and respect for an officer is not something you give in 1 day, its something you build over time.
Which mean, that Phraktos members knew that Krush and the other combination of their Officers was a bad combination and couldnt be trusted.

SO basically we have an alliance with a low activity and recent problems who continued to carry on, kicking one by one their 'inactives' members and roiding them, thinking its all about score/roids.
If you stay with your HC (no matter if they are compentent or not) during nice Time, you are Forced to stay in the BAD time, Having your HC declaring war on other alliance, no matter if it was wrong or good, is one of the power given to the CEO/HC by the member of the alliance, therefore if you didnt trust Krush: Why the hell did you continue to play under him? and if he did Self Elected himself to CEO while you all knew he wouldnt be effective, why did you continue to play with him and did not took over the alliance.

You (Phraktos) worked hard this round to finish off the round, But by not taking down the HC or making a stand and leave your alliance before the war, you acted like you didnt care, you stayed therefore you all need to take responsabilities on this and stand united, because its obvious that your HC (krush) is no longer around, he left - he ran away.

you had many chance to leave your alliance (if at your views it really suck) and join other alliance or at least make it to shock your HCs and maybe push them to improve it.

But you didnt, you stayed and you tought you would end the round with #2 in alliance ranking and peting your nice Roids and your nice Ranks, when suddently Krush declared war on FAnG and MISTU, all went down, all your nice plans were called off, and you had 2 choices:

1.Obey to your HC and kill us and stand with your mates from your alliances.
2.Quit your alliance, betray your HC (why now?? because its the easiest way to save your own skin?), Betray your Mates and join another alliance?

Theses make me think, that basically i wouldnt go too far and say i am sorry about the phraktos members, because theses who come to me and say that phraktos was shit all round are just hypocrite that stayed all the round in Phraktos for selfish Reasons (and tbh i wouldnt like to play with them) or the one who really enjoyed Phraktos but left after they saw the fall of their alliance, are just traitors that need to be roided to the Ground by either FAnG/MISTU or either the Enemy to teach them and show them what is Loyalty.

I must agree with Syn_sid, especially FAnG - They dont have to recruit anymore, WE are fine and Big Enough to finish this round on our own, with the same memberbase than the initial one WE had at tick 1.
In fact, this War just pushed us to become Active 100% again, bringing some joy and roids to us back.

[Barrow|Pony]

Originally Posted by alch

I must agree with Syn_sid, especially FAnG - They dont have to recruit anymore, WE are fine and Big Enough to finish this round on our own, with the same memberbase than the initial one WE had at tick 1.
In fact, this War just pushed us to become Active 100% again, bringing some joy and roids to us back.

You are big enough to finish this round on your own, but FAnG command made the concious decision to accept people leaving phraktos to make it easier?

:/

[Kal]

I for one am very dissapointed by phraktos's quick demise, i wa slooking forw ard to an exciting end to the round :/

Still as much as I feel sorry for all thosoe let down by Phraktos HC etc, I would still like to see the Phraktos in the top 4 gals die.

[G.K Zhukov]

This is so amusing.

If you build an alliance based on shipjumpers, cheaters, folks with huge ego's in one go, its often takes about the same time to kill it off as it took to build it.
An empire that grows fast, dies fast.

[Dogs]

tbh, we have learnt from our mistakes, going to war with Fang i was not sure if we was going to win, but i surly never expected this to happen, i know we was bad but i never expected in a million years something like this would happen to phraktos.

Going to war with Fang was not our mistake, as i see it we needed a better structure (Obviusly), I am glad we showed our bad weakness this round, we are a new alliance which has learnt by its mistakes, and will be back next round, Phraktos will keep on playing, there is no point in just giving up so easy, I know not as many ppl will prolly WANT to join us after what happened this round, but we can only improve if we keep trying/playing and learning from our mistakes each round, if any thing im glad Fang and Mistu killed us this round, if it happened next round due to what ever politics and we died in the begining for the same reasons, then there goes another bad round for alot of people. We are just lucky it happened at the end of round (forgeting politics).

We can only keep trying, we can only improve, and i don't hate Fang and Mistu for killing us, infact me personaly (even some others won't) thank both Fang and Mistu for killing us at the end of round, so we are now working on improvements for next round .

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Dogs

tbh, we have learnt from our mistakes, going to war with Fang i was not sure if we was going to win, but i surly never expected this to happen, i know we was bad but i never expected in a million years something like this would happen to phraktos.

Going to war with Fang was not our mistake, as i see it we needed a better structure (Obviusly), I am glad we showed our bad weakness this round, we are a new alliance which has learnt by its mistakes, and will be back next round, Phraktos will keep on playing, there is no point in just giving up so easy, I know not as many ppl will prolly WANT to join us after what happened this round, but we can only improve if we keep trying/playing and learning from our mistakes each round, if any thing im glad Fang and Mistu killed us this round, if it happened next round due to what ever politics and we died in the begining for the same reasons, then there goes another bad round for alot of people. We are just lucky it happened at the end of round (forgeting politics).

We can only keep trying, we can only improve, and i don't hate Fang and Mistu for killing us, infact me personaly (even some others won't) thank both Fang and Mistu for killing us at the end of round, so we are now working on improvements for next round .

You still think phrak is the best alliance of the round?

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Rumad

You still think phrak is the best alliance of the round?

You still think FAnG are?

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

You still think FAnG are?

Why not - thy deserve one round as top dogs

Outside of that already stated I hought VisioN did well.

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Rumad

Why not - thy deserve one round as top dogs

Outside of that already stated I hought VisioN did well.

Do I sense some EA thinking for next round there?

[LEFF|pm]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

You still think FAnG are?

Actually Fury was the best one... How could we forget...

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by LEFF|pm

Actually Fury was the best one... How could we forget...

Who said anything about Fury?

The point I'm making, whilst ignoring your monumentaly pathetic answer, is that we all think our own alliances are the best so Rumad mocking Dogs is a bit like me saying "Pack pwns FAnG" and you saying "oh, no it doesn't" in comedy christmas pantomime fashion.

Get your head out of your arse and the chip off your shoulder.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

You still think FAnG are?

this round? yes

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

this round? yes

hehe

Again, the point I'm making as it has been shown in other threads is that "the best alliance" is purely subjective and depends entirely on personal views of what makes a good alliance. Theres no point going through it all again in this thread as there is another perfectly boring post elsewhere. Point was you can't diss people for thier own personal views.

[Rumad]

ALl i am gonna say is


HAHAHAHA

Phraktos have coasted without a good HC/office structure, they made a bad decision and now the consquence is they have fallen apart

Bd luck Phraktos

Pld FAnG/MISTU

[Waku]

im waiting for incomming now Phraktos has allmost no members left its the perfect opportunity for WP to roid them all

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Waku

im waiting for incomming now Phraktos has allmost no members left its the perfect opportunity for WP to roid them all

Ah well

I am sorry for al those members - FAnG knows what its like fr there HC t throw a spastic and then the round go's under.

I just hope they find new homes worthy of there abilities.

1 bad decision destroyed the round for them.

Glad I never had to leave my allies or break promises for some false quest.

Oh well roids for our members anyway

[Jackal2112]

Originally Posted by Rumad

I am sorry for al those members - FAnG knows what its like fr there HC t throw a spastic and then the round go's under.

In round 10 FAnG was slowly losing ground to EET, they were losing slowly but inevitably and the command simply couldnt handle the pressure in the end. Phraktos however has been sitting on a throne all round fighting on the winning side of the blockwar and crumble in like what? a day? without putting up an inch of resistance at all. You can't compare those imo.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Jackal2112

In round 10 FAnG was slowly losing ground to EET, they were losing slowly but inevitably and the command simply couldnt handle the pressure in the end.

Don't wanna discuss this too much but FAnG didn't crumble under EET pressure. It is by far THE reason why we ended like that. Sure EET had a contribution to it, I won't deny that but if you were a member (meaning active and doin other stuff then spying) then you'd have realized that EET was only one of the many concerns, hardly THE most important one.
We were not afraid to fight EET, we had fun doin so and I believe EET can say the same about us.

Nway, this is just me clarifying some things about last round, believe it or not, that's upto you.

[waffle]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Don't wanna discuss this too much but FAnG didn't crumble under EET pressure. It is by far THE reason why we ended like that. Sure EET had a contribution to it, I won't deny that but if you were a member (meaning active and doin other stuff then spying) then you'd have realized that EET was only one of the many concerns, hardly THE most important one.
We were not afraid to fight EET, we had fun doin so and I believe EET can say the same about us.

Nway, this is just me clarifying some things about last round, believe it or not, that's upto you.

Yes, we were gaining ground on FAnG, but I"m sure that's not the reason that's why they folded. I do believe that in the end that Eclipse would have passed fang(thanks to the great attacks set up by Forest).

It was a blast battling fang during r10. My galaxy had a good mix, half on the EET side, and half on the Fang/Dragon side. Was fun. . I sure do miss those days. .

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Jackal2112

In round 10 FAnG was slowly losing ground to EET, they were losing slowly but inevitably and the command simply couldnt handle the pressure in the end. Phraktos however has been sitting on a throne all round fighting on the winning side of the blockwar and crumble in like what? a day? without putting up an inch of resistance at all. You can't compare those imo.

whp said i was alking about round 10 - pick most rounds between 8-10 and you have a winner :P

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Rumad

whp said i was alking about round 10 - pick most rounds between 8-10 and you have a winner :P

I think he might have been referring to the posts between me and Leff

[Barrow|Pony]

Mazz - while VSN was indeed an effective force in creating the tiniest glimpse of competition in this round, I lost a little respect when a few of their members pulled from touri immediately before we landed the second wave on his planet, and when the same thing happened with a rock attack on 5:10(?) early last week. There's also the whole napping phraktos without telling Ely or FYTFO, but thats another story.

I do think their command is very good at what they do, and they're able to mobilize and use their members quite effectively, I just disagree with some of their decisions.

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

I lost a little respect when a few of their members pulled from touri immediately before we landed the second wave on his planet, and when the same thing happened with a rock attack on 5:10(?) early last week.

2 attacks dont represent an alliance