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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 01:37   #1
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I know this have been discussed before, but im gonna ask again, can't we use our 1337 signature banners on the forums?

I know thos with a 56'r will say it tkaes to much time to load then, but u have an option in your [profile] where u can turn off signatures.
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 01:45   #2
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I know this have been discussed before, but im gonna ask again, can't we use our 1337 signature banners on the forums?

I know thos with a 56'r will say it tkaes to much time to load then, but u have an option in your [profile] where u can turn off signatures.
Hmm, with the option to turn it off I can't see a problem, unless of course that would have to be integarted as an add-on and isn't a built in feature of the forums currently.
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 01:50   #3
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you dont need an mod as its allready an option under [edit options]
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 02:35   #4
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 03:03   #6
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 04:34   #7
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Jolt users get sig banners on the Jolt forums, when they sign up for "premium service", don't they?

I say, we pay for a PA account, we get a sig banner.
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 06:09   #8
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if ppl host their own banners what does jolt's bandwidth have to do with it ?
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Jolt users get sig banners on the Jolt forums, when they sign up for "premium service", don't they?

I say, we pay for a PA account, we get a sig banner.


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I have 5 MB download limit at my work. Would not want to waste a % on dowloading stupid banners. This forum already takes to much of my small chunk of inet priviliges at work.

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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 10:37   #13
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Also you encounter the potential problem of abuse by allowing them. Already most of the forums (think the mod forum is the only exception) have images turned off to reduce the potential risk of someone posting Pornographic images or other images that users may find offensive or disturbing. Allowing images in your sig would result in this becoming a problem again.

We hjave enough trouble ensuring the size of your sigs and content is ok due to the actual number of users and easy by which you can change them let alone if we then had the issue of images in them
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Jolt users get sig banners on the Jolt forums, when they sign up for "premium service", don't they?

I say, we pay for a PA account, we get a sig banner.
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 15:58   #16
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#1. If you have download limits, turn sig viewing off. You're complaining about them anyways, so it's a win-win.

#2. Limit the size of the banner; most alliance websites have size limits on banners, making them the equivalent of 4-5 lines wide. This is acceptable, and not "tacky" in any way. Again, if it bothers you, "ignore user" or turn sig viewing off.

#3. Explicit material; quite easy to ban someone immediately for doing it, eh. Since only paying customers get sig banners for their forum account, they probably won't cross that line in the first place...but regardless, it takes about 3 seconds to ban someone and your problem is solved.
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 16:58   #17
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Its not that easy Cochese. Currently becuase the forums arent linked in with your game account the only way to implement this would be to allow everyone this option.

As for banning a user a ban doesnt remove his posts and hence doesnt remove his sig. Everypost they have ever made will have the sig on and the would either require the sig changed or all his posts deleted.

Now the only people i'm sure are able to edited sigs are

Karm, Ash and JJ as Forum Admins
JJ and Me as Super Mods.

I dont know if normal mods can also edit them (I'm sure leshy or someone can confirm this) but even if they can there are times when theres no admin or mod around. Even if there is if the sig is changed AFTER we have read a post they have posted on we might not notice for a while.

Oh and even if all mods can edit the sigs not all mods have ban ability (everyone did have ability to temp ban and a few perm ban but the temp ban feature got screwed up when forums moved to jolt) so theres nothing to stop the user changing it back until someone who can ban turns up.


If/When forum accounts and game accounts are linked this is probally something which can be done but until then I dont see how this feature is a possible addition
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 17:03   #18
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I dont know if normal mods can also edit them (I'm sure leshy or someone can confirm this)
I believe we have the power to edit sigs and location .
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Unread 16 Apr 2003, 17:27   #19
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I'll make sure there's a "forum nick" field on the r10 sign up page then
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I'll make sure there's a "forum nick" field on the r10 sign up page then
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ofc its also open to "user error"
eg.. 2nd person that signs up thinks " for a laugh i'll pretend i'm JammyJim"

we have no true way of narrowing these down.

for rnd10 the forums WILL be linked into the passport
though not the game itself.
( u will be able to have a forum acc without playing the game - or visa versa)

we will however not be having banners,
simply because the mods jobs are hard enough already, without having to constantly be editing people's signatures ( which would happen)
we could use the jolt method of premium account, but as stated above there will be no link between the game and the forums, and to implement would require alot of unnecessary mucking about.
i cannot see decent reason to have them (if you were hosting them urselves as suggested earlier then just use a link like some people do now).

come up with a decent reason, eg one that will improve PA and the game, and it will be considered. otherwise the answer will remain no ( as will the question of custom avatars for all users)

If JJ or the creators care to override me on this and put their opinion in i will be happ to hear it.. but they server no useful prupose at jolt except pointless spam, they would serve only the same purpose here..(turning the siggies off is annoying, as some actually contain details of importance ( though my doesn't))

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PS - referring to them as 1337 in the first post didn't help your arguement, as it prooves how totally lame they are
Was just about to say that,

99% of forum siggies are just ****e anyway, add pictures and add 1% to that :/
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i think i would made my self a banner, putted my nick on it - and used it here, if it had been an option..

so i vote (for the sake of pa) that the option stays off..

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Hmmm...sig images + PHP=disaster waiting to happen.

Imagine a sig image that shows up for certain people as ok but shows as ****** to certain other IP addresses.
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I concur with the fact that sig banners would not be a welcome addition. The gain of graphical goodness does not nearly weigh up against the disadvantages mentioned in this thread, and a few other ones I could think of myself.

And as far as I know, all mods are able to edit signatures >:)
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Unread 29 Apr 2003, 16:04   #30
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banners are cool
but i don't think we really need them here.
They are no use for the formus
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come up with a decent reason, eg one that will improve PA and the game, and it will be considered.
Is 'happy players' not a decent reason for you Karmulian? It is widely known that pa's player base is shrinking by the day, would it not be wise to do anything to please the broad audience?

I think if you would put up a poll about this, it will conclude in a 80/20 vote result in favour of the signature pictures.

And if it even motivates one new player to join the forum community, and especially the ad one (it is highly welcomed there and needless to say, needed), would that not be enough of a reason?

I personally think most signature pictures look like crap, but I think calling the general opinion of this community 'no decent reason' is less than representative for a forum admin.

But I guess it represents the creators, after all, why please the community and attract new players, aye?
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PS - referring to them as 1337 in the first post didn't help your arguement, as it prooves how totally lame they are
How can proclaiming something as "1337" make it lame?

Sorry, ur logic escapes me. And your argument is quite flawed, mods don't have to do that much, read the forum if they see something they dont like, close it. Do not make it out to be a full time occupation, plenty of forums have signitures, with no problems. And with the option to turn it off then surley it should not effect people.

So tell me once again, why can we not have Signitures?

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So tell me once again, why can we not have Signitures?
I still haven't heard why we should have them. It'd make a few users happy, it'd make a whole lot unhappy. So that argument doesn't hold.
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It'd make a few users happy, it'd make a whole lot unhappy. So that argument doesn't hold.
I dont think it would make a whole lot unhappy.. i just think it would make you lot unhappy.

sigbanners arent hard to control especially if having a bad one would mean instant banning. external links to save jolt bandwidth and rules that apply to sigbanners would add a bit more "something something" to these forums. and honestly whats the harm in them?

I frequent many large traffic forums that have them and there is little to no problems with them. And as Cochese said.. it would make PA players happy.. and maybe just maybe attract new ppl as well...(i know this works cause i mainly joined the legion gaming community due to thier abundance of gfx gods and now i'm going to be playing swg and other games with them)

It cant hurt to try this out, one click and u can turn the option off if it is abused.

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I dont think it would make a whole lot unhappy.. i just think it would make you lot unhappy.
And which lot would 'you' lot be exactly? Are you referring to the moderator team? Because I've seen a good amount of users in this thread who agreed they would not like signature banners enabled on this board.

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add a bit more "something something" to these forums.
You feel that it would add "something something"? That's hardly a compelling reason to suddenly enable them.

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I frequent many large traffic forums that have them and there is little to no problems with them.
Every forum I see that has sigbanners looks rather awful, because of those images. But that's my opinion.

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it would make PA players happy..
It'd also make a bunch of people unhappy, and add the hassle of having to create rules governing them, checking up on those rules, making sure that the images are not used for some (malicious) script, having to edit signatures whenever someone links to something inappropriate, having to listen to complaints from people who take offense to certain imagery which is completely harmless to others... The quote which applies in this case, in my opinion is: "If it isn't broke, don't fix it."
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Re: signature banners

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I know this have been discussed before, but im gonna ask again, can't we use our 1337 signature banners on the forums?

I know thos with a 56'r will say it tkaes to much time to load then, but u have an option in your [profile] where u can turn off signatures.

no!
signature banners is for people with a need for attention
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signature banners is for people with a need for attention
pa players are attention whores, well known fact
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Jolt users get sig banners on the Jolt forums, when they sign up for "premium service", don't they?

I say, we pay for a PA account, we get a sig banner.
Originally voted No, but that's a better suggestion if you ask me.
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There's an option to not show sig banners... if people don't like them that much.

It's a nice way of showing alliance pride, gfx skill and good for attention... bar the gfx skills, isn't that what pa is all about? :/

Neways, pointless arguement the powers that bind thee clearly are dismisive of the suggestion.

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sigbanners arent hard to control especially if having a bad one would mean instant banning. external links to save jolt bandwidth and rules that apply to sigbanners would add a bit more "something something" to these forums. and honestly whats the harm in them?
I disagree. They are easy to handle if the mods on the forum are active at the time of posting and check the thread/post immediatly but you cant honestly expect all forumns to be covered 24/7.

offensive sigs could be viewable for hours before anyone with edit ability notices them. This makes controlling them very hard.

Also you need to remember a change of sig affects all your posts that youve ever made. Now if sig banners were enabled everyone would probally add one but infrequent posters may not immediatly post a thread so their banner would not be immediatly noticed but is still viable on previous posts. Just imagine if their last post was in the middle of the TFD thread, us mods might never notice it unless someone alerted us. I know this wouldnt be the norm as most would make a pointless thread on here or GD saying "Look at my l33t sig" but it only takes one to slip through to cuase a problem.

Finnally your also prone to the image problem that Starbucks highlighted on the jolt forums. Over there Starbucks posted an image hosted on his own space, someone else stole it and Starbucks took offence to them using his bandwith that he paid for. He asked them to save it and host it themselves but they wouldnt so Starbucks changed it to goat porn to teach him a lesson. Again perhaps this isnt something thats quite as much problem with sig banners as MOST do contain the persons name but some dont and there is a chance someone would leech them.

Oh and a final point pls remeber some of the mods are still on narrowband and they would not have the option of turning the sig banners off. It would make their ability to mod very hard when they have to download a number of 200k files just to viewe the thread
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Neways, pointless arguement the powers that bind thee clearly are dismisive of the suggestion.
It's not a pointless argument. Apparently some people would like signature banners, so they ask for them. If it appears that a large amount of people want them, then at the very least the option can be discussed within the Moderator/Admin Team. Although in this case I haven't seen an overwhelming majority, and currently the poll seems to indicate that the users are against it rather than in favour.

If it wasn't put forward at all, then there wouldn't be any change or discussion at all
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