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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:34   #1
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:35   #2
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Re: Hutton
I'd delete this thread, then restart it with something useful in it, and not just one word and random sentence.

people will start to think your a shite poster if you do stuff like this.



o wait...
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:38   #3
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I'd delete this thread, then restart it with something useful in it, and not just one word and random sentence.

people will start to think your a shite poster if you do stuff like this.



o wait...
**** off you scottish failure. It's quite clear what I'm talking about.
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:40   #4
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what's with the anti-mrl vibe? i quite like him

anyways, i havent read much on hutton yet, been at uni all day and spent the rest of my time reading the tuition fees stuff.
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:42   #5
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Re: Hutton
good insult.
i might cry.

Parsnip.


i think it might be something....
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:46   #6
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We rule. BBC suck. Alastair Campbell blasts the media.
Is it a mockery of a fair system, or did he seriously believe that Downing Street was whiter than white?
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good insult.
i might cry.

Parsnip.


i think it might be something....
A soundbite never buttered a parsnip.
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Unread 28 Jan 2004, 17:47   #8
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It's completley uncontroversial that the government are liars and murderers. I'm not sure what this report was supposed to achieve.
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It's completley uncontroversial that the government are liars and murderers. I'm not sure what this report was supposed to achieve.
From what I've seen, it's just said 'THE BEEB ARE EVIL SCUM'
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We rule. BBC suck. Alastair Campbell blasts the media.
you must be the only person on tony's side traitor
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A soundbite never buttered a parsnip.

a point to you on that one, i have absolutely no idea how to reply to that.


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anyway.

The report seems rather neutral, kinda, was hoping for a nice "it's all tony's fault" kinda thing.
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I'm possibly agreeing with Hutton, just because there is not enough evidence to support the claims against the Goverement.

The giving out of the name to make sure it didnt look like a cover-up on the goverments behalf is believable I suppose. As they needed to disavow themselves from Kelly's supposed remarks to that BBC journalist, and if they didnt it would look like the goverment knew Kelly was correct in saying the 45 minute claim was crap and didnt want the press to grill Kelly to find out more? Not completely sure on that though.

Also, from what i could work out Hutton concluded that the 45 minute thing wasn't put in to sex the report up, and although there were reservation about it the Intelligence community, but they decided it was ok, and was not put in by the Goverment. And the goverment was right to ask the report to be changed to make it more readable for the public. There's fine line between changing it for public consumption and sexing-up though.

I would agree the BBC needed tighter controls to stop their journalists reporting crap.

Although giving the Goverment a virtual clean bill of health just doesn't seem right.
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Bit of Phyrric victory as far as the truth is concerned.
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Yeah, but the 45 minute thing pretty much was bollocks.

What's worse - that we bombed a country on faulty intelligence, and our intelligence services are generally a huge waste of money, or that a few civil servants told some fibs?
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turns out that we were but the BBC can't prove it,
You mean the Gov. did sex-up the dossier?
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I think the way that Hutton put it was that Tony's earnestness to support the war encouraged the people supplying the intelligence for the dossier to sex it up of their own volition.
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I think it's probable the gov. actually didn't ask the report to be sexed-up after it's inital version.

Because the goverment know the intelligence services were going to lie anyway. See this report on how the intelligence services have wanted to gain support on attacking Iraq for years.

The BBC should have probably attacked the Intelligence community instead.
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NO we didn't sex up the dossier, it was still pretty dull. It just turns out that there are no WMD in Iraq, I thought everyone knew this.
Then what were the gov lying about?
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What I don't get is why Tony is saying (or did say a couple of months ago, I don't know if he's conveniently forgotten he said it) that he will stake his political career on there being WMD's when Rumsfeld and Powell had already said WMDs will probably never be found.
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The guy at the Beeb who's just resigned probably did
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but it means nothing to anything else

when the only thing you have to charge a serial killer with is the fact he didnt pay a parking fine once, it might be your best bet to just pack up and go home.
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You know how they caught Capone?

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The government hasn't been criticised because Lord Hutton decided to redefine the phrase "sex up". Everyone in the country thinks it means "make more exciting" (which, incidentally, is what it does mean) so he defined it as "insert false material" and concluded that the government didn't do it. As a matter of fact, he actually admitted that the government did sex up the dossier if you use the correct definition (which he rejected in favour of the one he made up).

Also, he seemed to decide that the question of whether Tony Blair lied to Parliament over the release of Dr Kelly's name was outside his remit. This is perfectly fine, but now Tony is going around saying that Lord Hutton said he didn't lie in Parliament, when he said nothing of the sort. He actually said that the release of Dr Kelly's name wasn't dishonourable, and Tony Blair keeps quoting this as if it's in any way relevant. If Tony Blair said in Parliament that he didn't authorise the release of the name, when he did actually authorise it, the fact that he acted honourably in releasing it doesn't affect in any way the fact that he lied to Parliament.

Of course, no one will know this, because no one will read the report, and they will believe the media completely when they say that the government is vindicated.
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It seems quite thick. perhaps they can use it to slap Michael Howard in the face with.
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but it means nothing to anything else

when the only thing you have to charge a serial killer with is the fact he didnt pay a parking fine once, it might be your best bet to just pack up and go home.
Or you could raise awareness about the fact that he is a serial killer, and keep looking for the evidence. Just a thought.

Although BBC in "we have an opinion" shocker is also a compelling argument.
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If this was the case you would think the BBC would be making more of it.
The BBC's probably too scared of the Government removing its licence fee and appointing Boris Johnson as Chairman of the Governors. (That would be very funny, but probably not what they want.)
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The BBC's probably too scared of the Government removing its licence fee and appointing Boris Johnson as Chairman of the Governors. (That would be very funny, but probably not what they want.)
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i so hope to god that the bbc remains fairly liberal (with appointment of new chairman), and doesnt become a corporate and government cess pool like our americans bretheren have to face on the other side of the pond. I'm fond of the bbc, it better not become a right wing fantasy
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Overall pretty much a government victory, although they get a slap on the wrist (and they probably should have got more) for exaggerating the 45 claim. The BBC failed to discipline a journalist who didn't report accurately and got owned as a result.
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