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Unread 13 Apr 2010, 13:41   #101
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Re: NewDawn and P3nguins

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Wow Wishy are you SO obsessed with me that you start a seemingly irrelevant to topic rant concerning me on the forum? Excessum didn't run any real organised attacks and rarely if ever has people asking for def (admitedly in part due to the small tag) I can and have played in some pretty average allies in the past and done well e.g. R17 with HR finishing in 13th. However one thing that all those allies had was some semblence of regime and structure - exc more resembled a BG than an ally and was just a cluster-**** of good old players running solo. Which was fine by me and was exactly what I did - if I saw anyone who knew they were gonna get incs then I would ground my fleet and turn up in time to defend.

I made my requirements in an ally pre-round pretty clear to you - stating that I needed regular organised attacks and someone to DC my inc's if im not about. Exc reneged on both of these committments and at no stage in the round did I feel encouraged to increase my participation and in my mind it was clear before the round even ticked that it wasnt gonna go well, yet I stuck by my decision to join exc as I felt committed (though clearly I should of just done what nacho did and jumped ship before we got going) You may recall me asking on numerous occasions to leave and change allies for the sake of the gal and my personal sanity. Yet your bitterness about excessum's consistent failure has successfully overflowed the joy-bucket of a gal chan onto the forum forcing all these poor forum-goer's to witness our hugely irrelevant and unexciting rants.

Sorry for filling the forum with such endless jibber-jabber, I implore Wishy to stop being a complete self-obsessed arse and drop this issue as it really isn't helping anyone!

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I regret asking you to join, as much as you regret joining. Surely.
There has been organized attacks every night, cept on a couple of saturdays. Doubt you actually joined them though, mind you!
What nights you actually grounded anything is beyond me, I dont recall you sending any def at all. I think pommeh even told me u had sent 0 oog def fleets before we kicked you. This might be incorrect though! ( maybe u sent a fleet, sry if you did man! )

In regards to you wanting to leave to fence the gal, I told you to leave if u wanted to, just that I wouldnt want to play ingal with people who leave an alliance to fence gal. Which is why in the end we kicked nacho also more or less. I spose I could share some fun logs to proove my points about you, but for old times sake I will just leave it at this. You dissapointed me, I dissapointed you. Lets go back to just e-hating eachother on irc!
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Unread 13 Apr 2010, 14:20   #102
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I regret asking you to join, as much as you I wouldnt want to play ingal with people who leave an alliance to fence gal.
Are you talking about mid-round or just leave an alliance for the good of the gal at all? Cause that surely has happened has it not?
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Unread 13 Apr 2010, 14:35   #103
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I regret asking you to join, as much as you regret joining. Surely.
There has been organized attacks every night, cept on a couple of saturdays. Doubt you actually joined them though, mind you!
What nights you actually grounded anything is beyond me, I dont recall you sending any def at all. I think pommeh even told me u had sent 0 oog def fleets before we kicked you. This might be incorrect though! ( maybe u sent a fleet, sry if you did man! )

In regards to you wanting to leave to fence the gal, I told you to leave if u wanted to, just that I wouldnt want to play ingal with people who leave an alliance to fence gal. Which is why in the end we kicked nacho also more or less. I spose I could share some fun logs to proove my points about you, but for old times sake I will just leave it at this. You dissapointed me, I dissapointed you. Lets go back to just e-hating eachother on irc!
If by 'night attacks' you mean the random parser thrown up at a random time with like 10claims max then yeah there was afair few! I grounded fleets on numerous occasions yet half the time there was no inc or nobody was calling for them - the one time someone did mention they were getting inc (Alki of all people) I grounded all my fleets for him and he used a couple, sent numerous other defs oog but not tons as we parted ways pretty early in the round! I never stated I wanted to leave to 'fence the gal' as clearly shown by joining DLR (which the gal already had one of) not ND (which the gal has none of) excessum simply doesnt have the defbase to cover 3 in a gal. Obviously being the only non-HC exc ingal I was the sacrifice when it came to incs, regardless of roidcounts - an attitude I am not a fan of! Nacho didnt get kicked, he had the good sense to leave when he saw your emo-ways!
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Re: NewDawn and P3nguins

another emo dork whining over loosing roids, playing for fun isnt an option right?
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Are you talking about mid-round or just leave an alliance for the good of the gal at all? Cause that surely has happened has it not?
nah, this was pre round. I would just have found another gal or something at the time. Or lukey would have found another, either way.
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Unread 13 Apr 2010, 21:25   #106
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If by 'night attacks' you mean the random parser thrown up at a random time
Attacks been set the exact same time all round. 21:00 gmt ( before summer time, now its 20:00 gmt) ask anyone who actually took part in the alliance about this.

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I grounded fleets on numerous occasions yet half the time there was no inc or nobody was calling for them

right. lol, and then let me add another rofl? Are you just slow, dumb or a liar?
You werent phoned cause you REFUSED to add your number to the bot. Shocker that you werent phoned or smsed man! And regarding the grounding of fleets, I ve heard something else

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Obviously being the only non-HC exc ingal I was the sacrifice when it came to incs, regardless of roidcounts - an attitude I am not a fan of! Nacho didnt get kicked, he had the good sense to leave when he saw your emo-ways!
Again, are you kidding me? When did me or pommeh ever get more def than you? Seriously man, give me some of what you are on <3
eXc is all about actually bothering to be on if you want defence, and, if ur talking about you being roided to the ground first day after protection cause you inited to 500 roids without having hull2 ( lol ) and when we werent doing defence, ye man we didnt defend you or anyone else.
Besides that, you were roided for 2 ticks out of the 5-6 waves u had on you the nights we had incs. I think thats just as much as me and pommeh, and one of the nights I didnt even get incs, cause I had a better fleetcomposition than you mr. lets not get any DE and just get vsh!
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Oh there's definitely blocks forming, ask the 200 incoming fleets DLR took last night and the same again tonight.
Why do you sound so frustrated by this?

Surely DLR didn't think they could start a block war without some kind of retaliation?
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Why do you sound so frustrated by this?

Surely DLR didn't think they could start a block war without some kind of retaliation?
without having any idea whats going on atm, whos in the block?

I know we sent a couple of fleets on dlr from exc. Are we a part of the block? I d like to be informed if so! <3
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without having any idea whats going on atm, whos in the block?

I know we sent a couple of fleets on dlr from exc. Are we a part of the block? I d like to be informed if so! <3
Well it was us and oddr last night and you were in on the first night as well. Surely a powerblock to end all powerblocks
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Well it was us and oddr last night and you were in on the first night as well. Surely a powerblock to end all powerblocks
ODDR and eXcessum. Now... Thats 2 powerful allies you have right there JBG!
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ODDR and eXcessum. Now... Thats 2 powerful allies you have right there JBG!
Team Fail and ODDR, DLR are doomed
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Re: NewDawn and P3nguins

oh well DLR is kinda getting kicked around, "smart" move to nap apprime.. and before that fence to annoy everyone. If DLR hc's didn't notice, yer fortress galaxies make you the weaker of that "block" as no better word so you get all the incoming.

Anyways, it's fun to see apprime using vsn to hit me, by making vsn hit my DLR gal mates and then focusing on me. They'r really on DLR's side, but now off to do some calcs again.
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who else we are making to hit dlr?
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sadly we don't have much to offer this round, just want to have some fun
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maybe first for training noobs, you should train yourself ?
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who else we are making to hit dlr?
I take it yer apprime.. seriously do you think someone actually will buy that, it doesn't matter anyways pa politics is so wierd. Anyways knew this would come, it was obvious a week ago.. or the frigging moment when Apprime got the NAP with DLR was hoping miracles in politics but it never came. Now we'll just do what we can.
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oh yes mr LordN knows everything, funny to see you hit forums when you get hit only
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lordnobo what r u whining? u are ND not dlr rite? we have no nap with u so, we can farm u anytime we want.

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BTW lordn, why are u talkng about DLR. Its pretty arrogant when u r ND in DLR gal and u blame them. seriously if i was DLR i would say no ingal def to u
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He's stating the obvious; that DLR got themselves into a NAP which weakened their position greatly while letting Apprime off the hook. He's not the first to state this, nor will he be the last. And your point about farming our galaxy is quite right, and just serves to underline the point that has been made, as our DLR members (some of the biggest in DLR) will go down with us, further deepening DLR's despair as the round enters its second half.

And stop being all proud of yourself. You're using 3(?) alliances again to roid *ND*. Seriously, when did that become an accomplishment? The alliance is half new players ffs.
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3 alliances, really. i thought atleast 5 or 6 alliances, since ND is so fkin good
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He's stating the obvious; that DLR got themselves into a NAP which weakened their position greatly while letting Apprime off the hook. He's not the first to state this, nor will he be the last. And your point about farming our galaxy is quite right, and just serves to underline the point that has been made, as our DLR members (some of the biggest in DLR) will go down with us, further deepening DLR's despair as the round enters its second half.

And stop being all proud of yourself. You're using 3(?) alliances again to roid *ND*. Seriously, when did that become an accomplishment? The alliance is half new players ffs.
Let me state the obvious. DLR having a nap with an alliance that is not their competition is a good NAP.
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s our DLR members (some of the biggest in DLR) will go down with us, further deepening DLR's despair as the round enters its second half.

seriously, again arrogant. DLR hc just drop that whole gal if their members play for ND players. why would dlr planets die for ND? i dnt understand
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Let me state the obvious. DLR having a nap with an alliance that is not their competition is a good NAP.
How is APP not their competition?
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this is vision from Apprime intel:

Size: 63891 (58727)
some intel is missing, so the real number of total roids is 69k and not 63k. But you get the point

58k roids in their top65 counting towards score, while apprime has 51k.

No matter what Apprime's average is, they still need to have more roids then the other alliances top65, or they are no competition to win.
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http://89.145.83.129/sandmans/?p=com...k=&type=values

Clearly, Apprime is going to overtake DLR, and soon. So where as Apprime has benefitted from the NAP with DLR, DLR has lost their lead and are now in a nosedive. And I'd be interested to see how anyone is going to stop APP from roiding them towards the end.
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What a difference a day makes....
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Umm...what? I don't know about you, but I've been discussing this same thing with people since the moment DLR and APP NAP'd. It wasn't exactly hard to see coming.
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Roid count is a pretty bad indicator of who's going to win, anyway.
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Apprime will never need to drop the nap. Not as long as there are so many Vision and ND roids for the taking.
But even though apprime are hitting ND / Vsn fatties, DLR is getting ND + Asc incomings, plus the odd Vision / p3n, etc gal mates that prefer to join the mass incomings instead of joining their own alliance raids.
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Let me state the obvious. DLR having a nap with an alliance that is not their competition is a good NAP.
Let me state the obvious. Politics doesn't work that way.
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Let me state the obvious. Politics doesn't work that way.
Maybe not in your book then, but i would never dream about making a NAP to an alliance that was a competition for #1 alliance. It makes perfect sense to avoid incomings from Apprime, this way they can focus on their main competition
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Maybe not in your book then, but i would never dream about making a NAP to an alliance that was a competition for #1 alliance. It makes perfect sense to avoid incomings from Apprime, this way they can focus on their main competition
but is it a good nap for DLR, if the results of that nap means DLR get increased incoming from other alliances? putting DLR directly in the firing line for other alliances who dont like the idea of them napping Apprime.

When deciding weither a nap is a good decision or not, you dont just look at the two alliances involved in that nap but also look at how the other alliances/main competition will react to that nap.
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but is it a good nap for DLR, if the results of that nap means DLR get increased incoming from other alliances? putting DLR directly in the firing line for other alliances who dont like the idea of them napping Apprime.

When deciding weither a nap is a good decision or not, you dont just look at the two alliances involved in that nap but also look at how the other alliances/main competition will react to that nap.
Im fairly confident that DLR would have been hit no matter who they NAPed.
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Maybe not in your book then, but i would never dream about making a NAP to an alliance that was a competition for #1 alliance. It makes perfect sense to avoid incomings from Apprime, this way they can focus on their main competition
Yeah, in an artificial environment. In reality what happened was that the #1 and #2 average size alliances napping scared everyone. They then co-operated together on attacks against more than one alliance. We then all heard, not sure if this is correct, that this NAP was agreed upon until the end of the round (ie a stagnatory NAP as opposed to a fluid one). Given that these are usually either last resort agreements or **** you agreements this both scared and annoyed people. Given that DLR are the easier alliance to target of apprime and DLR this agreement, and the nature of it along with the resulting actions, was a terrible one. Also pretending apprime has 0 chance of #1 is a farce so stop with that. Yeah you're not front-runners but there's a long time to go and a lot of space in your tag and we've all seen rounds like this before.
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Yeah, in an artificial environment. In reality what happened was that the #1 and #2 average size alliances napping scared everyone. They then co-operated together on attacks against more than one alliance. We then all heard, not sure if this is correct, that this NAP was agreed upon until the end of the round (ie a stagnatory NAP as opposed to a fluid one). Given that these are usually either last resort agreements or **** you agreements this both scared and annoyed people. Given that DLR are the easier alliance to target of apprime and DLR this agreement, and the nature of it along with the resulting actions, was a terrible one. Also pretending apprime has 0 chance of #1 is a farce so stop with that. Yeah you're not front-runners but there's a long time to go and a lot of space in your tag and we've all seen rounds like this before.
Apprime has a chance to win if they have an extra 20 people to add to tag, and/or have more roids then any other alliance among their top65(48) planets. As it is now, they don't have either.
****ing of course this can change, but there is no wizard there to swing his wand and make this happen instantly, which is why Apprime will stay as outsiders for a good while, and perhaps all round.
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Apprime has a chance to win if they have an extra 20 people to add to tag, and/or have more roids then any other alliance among their top65(48) planets. As it is now, they don't have either.
****ing of course this can change, but there is no wizard there to swing his wand and make this happen instantly, which is why Apprime will stay as outsiders for a good while, and perhaps all round.
Good move responding to just one of the points I made (and not actually disagreeing with it at all for that matter).
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Good move responding to just one of the points I made (and not actually disagreeing with it at all for that matter).
I don't disagree with you in everything. I see why people think Apprime are contesters, and why they were scared of the DLR/Apprime nap. For your sake I will be more thoroughly in my posting next time, and make sure I have replied to all quoted points. It helps though if you stop writing **** all over the place, and make a huge mess out of your post.




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I don't disagree with you in everything. I see why people think Apprime are contesters, and why they were scared of the DLR/Apprime nap. For your sake I will be more thoroughly in my posting next time, and make sure I have replied to all quoted points. It helps though if you stop writing **** all over the place, and make a huge mess out of your post.
I see you're having difficulty grasping the concept of an "argument". Either way I'll assume by the fact you've completely avoided talking about the original point (was napping apprime a good move for DLR) for the last couple of posts that you're out of anything sensible to say on the issue. Congratulations on trying to move the goalposts in a completely retarded fashion and then compounding that with a personal attack on me though
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I see you're having difficulty grasping the concept of an "argument". Either way I'll assume by the fact you've completely avoided talking about the original point (was napping apprime a good move for DLR) for the last couple of posts that you're out of anything sensible to say on the issue. Congratulations on trying to move the goalposts in a completely retarded fashion and then compounding that with a personal attack on me though
If napping Apprime was a good move for DLR? I believe it's impossible to answer this before we see where their choice takes them. It gives DLR a little breathing space, and its hardly an unfair advantage they have been given. Even if you changed the color of your daily pill to red instead of blue, they are still third, and without any help at all it will be tough to fight vision and/or newdawn, who both have a number of allies/NAPs.





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http://89.145.83.129/sandmans/?p=com...k=&type=values

Clearly, Apprime is going to overtake DLR, and soon. So where as Apprime has benefitted from the NAP with DLR, DLR has lost their lead and are now in a nosedive. And I'd be interested to see how anyone is going to stop APP from roiding them towards the end.
DLR losing roids and are now in a 'nose dive'....are you genuinely serious with that comment?

DLR lost roids, yes....but so would many alliances given the amount of incommings we have recieved in the last 2/3 days.....however, if you look at sandmans we have infact not lost a great deal of our score gap between us and Asc so i would hardly call it DLR being in a 'nosedive'....
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If napping Apprime was a good move for DLR? I believe it's impossible to answer this before we see where their choice takes them. It gives DLR a little breathing space, and its hardly an unfair advantage they have been given. Even if you changed the color of your daily pill to red instead of blue, they are still third, and without any help at all it will be tough to fight vision and/or newdawn, who both have a number of allies/NAPs.
Bar ND's nap with p3nguins (which really didn't seem like that much at the time and didn't amount to a whole lot afterwards either) any other developments have been in response to the apprime/DLR NAP*. Political actions like that, along with what followed directly afterwards, force responses from everyone else. At least you've managed to move off "napping an alliance that isn't competition for #1 if you're going for #1 is unquestionably a good idea lol".


*At this point calling it the same thing as p3nguins ND have is pretty misleading. Given the co-operation in targeting and isolated incidents of defence sharing I guess at this stage you have to call it a full blown alliance for the rest of the round.

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DLR losing roids and are now in a 'nose dive'....are you genuinely serious with that comment?

DLR lost roids, yes....but so would many alliances given the amount of incommings we have recieved in the last 2/3 days.....however, if you look at sandmans we have infact not lost a great deal of our score gap between us and Asc so i would hardly call it DLR being in a 'nosedive'....
I believe he referred to Apprime, not Ascendancy.
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the point still stands
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Re: NewDawn and P3nguins

What intrigues me from this thread is how people perceive NAPs officially made through the in-game system. It seems that on the face of it, people are treating them as alliances. I don't think this is necessarily the case. A lot of the time you have to consider the reasons for each alliance in making the NAP and the relationships that bind them together. You also have to consider that if you trust someone or know they aren't going to hit you any time soon, why the hell would you need to make your nap public? Or in fact, make one at all?

Here's how I think the major agreements have played out:

ND and p3nguins

The ND and p3nguins NAP was a good move as both alliances always needed to reduce their incoming. The thought that this was a massive stagnating force was blown out of all proportion.

NewDawn have been ambling along for quite some time and while there are a lot of them, they aren't really a massive military threat. In fact, I doubt they are playing that actively and their size gains suggest they are pretty much ambling along. Just look at their sluggish growth in size:

http://sandmans.co.uk/graph.php?data...lue&large=true

p3nguins learned pretty fast that major incoming was going to hurt them badly at any stage, so they needed a friend:

http://sandmans.co.uk/?p=viewalliance&name=p3nguins

p3nguins are now pretty fat, but they are also an irrelevance (and this is no disrespect to them) to Apprime, DLR, Vision if you're thinking about winning and they have a NAP from NewDawn. I also think Ascendancy will probably concern themselves with other targets. If they do get chewed up, it'll be if some alliance at the end has no one else to fight or just doesn't want to.

I don't think ND/p3ng intended anything much with this NAP beyond insurance, they certainly didn't create a military powerhouse of any kind. They were just two alliances with similar needs.

DLR and Apprime

This NAP on the face of it seemed like a great play for two alliances with less score than the ND/p3nguins NAP. In theory, It helped DLR to the win and giving Apprime shelter from an alliance that can be massively annoying if they're attacking you and build their strength on small planets and big galaxies. In short, it sets out to make DLR the winning alliance and Apprime the dominant alliance. But in turn, it created what looks like the biggest threat (it is) in the universe with two of the best alliances in the game. And as JBG pointed out, it made DLR the bigger target.

But what was the motivation behind this agreement? As far as I can see it, it wasn't co-operation to create some gigantic super block but quite simply to avoid incoming from each other. DLR is just getting hit around whenever it sniffs around the #1 spot, so really so far, Apprime has been the major beneficiary from this agreement. Even if Apprime do get hit, they won't suffer nearly as much as DLR will when it's their turn. If today was just a buck in the trend and DLR's roid count was forced downwards, DLR would have a choice between backing Apprime to win or finding a new political position.

If an alliance like Ascendancy had formed a block to propel itself to the win, then this move would have been pretty much expected. DLR would have been left alone. But Ascendancy just isn't playing in that mentality - Ascendancy are essentially doing the planetarion equivalent of dicking about. It's a block for an enemy that just doesn't exist. Of course, this block may stay strong and Apprime may recruit to #1, but they'd have to find the planets from somewhere first (nobody has spoken about this and I don't care to research it).

ND and Vision

This doesn't seem to be much of an alliance either, more incoming avoidance once more. ND can't really to get involved in war and isn't much of a factor in the #1 race in the long term and Vision are now in a position where only DLR would seriously hit them. Obviously you might question, why not Apprime? I will touch on this below. Vision can roid themselves into the sunset and win the round as it is, which is why I've predicted them to win this round before.

Vision and Apprime

This part is the most speculative part of my post and could be very wrong. But to be blunt, given the relationships behind the scenes and the way galaxies are laid out, I don't see these alliances directly targeting the other. Because of this, I can see them influencing targeting away from each other if there is co-operation, as they'll never be too keen to aim fire on the other.

Obviously they haven't made it official, it may of course not exist. But they may be in a mindset where a NAP may exist none the less.

Where does this leave my alliance? Well obviously we don't have many friends, but by messing around as we have, we're also quite irrelevant. Alliances might hit us because we've been annoying, but on the other hand unless you're interested in personal vendettas and hitting people on principle, we're also a gigantic waste of time. We clearly lack the motivation to win and don't seem to be gaining roids aggressively enough to be in a position to do so.

But to conclude: the more valuable and relevant relationships don't appear to me to be the ones officially in game. By mechanically napping someone, it's more a suggestion that you want to avoid any kind of incoming or that you don't trust the other side 100%, rather than you being best buds. I'd even go as far to say that it's the galaxies dictating politics to their own personal advantage rather than anything to do with alliance play. What's really happening is actually quite boring, as people just try to outcompete the other for the fewest people who want to hit them. At the moment, Vision are making the best of it.
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