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27 May 2015, 09:05
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Per-ship averag EMP effs, for reference:
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| Ant | | 141 | | | | |
| Beetle | 154 | | | | | |
| Viper | | | 87 | 139 | | |
| Moth | 134 | 158 | | | | |
| Mantis | | | | | | 176 |
| Scarab | | | | | 149 | |
| Roach | | | | 156 | | |
| Tarantula | | | 153 | | | 99 |
| Broker | | | 147 | 84 | | |
| Retailer | | | 146 | | 102 | |
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Overall average T1: 152
Overall average T2: 101
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27 May 2015, 11:01
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Yeah the emp res of Cath De is VERY high and a bit concerning. I feel like people might abuse it. Emp should never be that low for T1. Maybe it was an oversight by appoco when he went back to change it?
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27 May 2015, 13:24
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
theese stats are really anti soloing, next time squeeze in another 30 ships will you
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27 May 2015, 14:51
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by Tiamat101
Yeah the emp res of Cath De is VERY high and a bit concerning. I feel like people might abuse it. Emp should never be that low for T1. Maybe it was an oversight by appoco when he went back to change it?
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It doesn't look all that high to me aside from the Scarab (which seems intentional as compensation for its slow init). The Roach's eff seems fine, it's the Viper that's pretty weak especially considering it fires after (though again, it has higher ERes to compensate).
In fact, in Cat/Etd teamups, Cat's pods will get EMPd first due to the Dragonfly's relatively low ERes.
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29 May 2015, 19:58
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
awesome making stats that pushed 70% of the playing universe to go CO!
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29 May 2015, 23:26
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Well that's what comes of not going with having the peg as an totally awesome ship firing before all fi co kill ships that was briefly the case. Unfortunately having the peg fire at the same time as the Banshee means while they are ok in def no one will pick em cos they are pretty dire in attack. Zik co therefore dominates fr making co a very good choice.
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30 May 2015, 01:33
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Too be fair to Blue_Esper, cath emp EFF was far lower before Appoco master made it normal again.
I think any alliance going for FI will be owning the large amounts of zik CO players
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30 May 2015, 08:07
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Any FI fleet would have to beat its way through the main attack fleet of a zik CO player, and that is not generally attractive, regardless of their init advantage.
Instead, I rather think it is zik CO players who will be owning the zik CO players.
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1 Jun 2015, 11:08
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
As a zik, I'd love to get some zik co inc. Just let me build some fr first
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1 Jun 2015, 12:38
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
I'm honestly a little surprised at how many alliances went Fi/Co. De and Cr look equally viable to me.
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1 Jun 2015, 15:32
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
I'm honestly a little surprised at how many alliances went Fi/Co. De and Cr look equally viable to me.
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I dunno if its "that" many more CO allies than CR allies tbh
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1 Jun 2015, 18:20
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
There's atleast 80 players that are going to have Cr as their main attack fleets and about another 150 that can switch into them later. So to say this round is Co dominated is quite wrong.
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1 Jun 2015, 21:21
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
i would think its rather cr dominated
or is going to be...
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6 Jun 2015, 15:50
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
EMP EFFS ARE FINE EVERYTHING IS OK HERE MOVE ALONG PLEASE NOTHING TO SEE HERE
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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6 Jun 2015, 16:53
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
EMP EFFS ARE FINE EVERYTHING IS OK HERE MOVE ALONG PLEASE NOTHING TO SEE HERE
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EMP eff isnt that bad.
I think the biggest issue is that very very few people went for FI/FR/DE, wich in return makes the stats very silly with the amount of cats right now.
We want roid diversity, not neccesary the race diversity, and the fact that cath is the bread and butter in the two, by far, most popular race strats this round is the reason why its looking wierd.
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6 Jun 2015, 18:49
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Thanks, I knew I could count on you to play along.
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7 Jun 2015, 00:31
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Bad stats is bad stats mz.
That cat is populary with normal eff is just a sign of it.
A lot of people ive spoken with wish that all those thats been deciding stats over the last 10-15 rounds would stop holding "new fresh thinkers" back, im pretty sure you would be one of the guys wich they were aiming at.
While many of us here said from the start this stats/this guy, should not be doing stats by the look of what he put forward from the beginning, yet you were one of those that said "this looks promising". Quite funny you now are critizing the stats
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7 Jun 2015, 05:51
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Bad stats is bad stats mz.
That cat is populary with normal eff is just a sign of it.
A lot of people ive spoken with wish that all those thats been deciding stats over the last 10-15 rounds would stop holding "new fresh thinkers" back, im pretty sure you would be one of the guys wich they were aiming at.
While many of us here said from the start this stats/this guy, should not be doing stats by the look of what he put forward from the beginning, yet you were one of those that said "this looks promising". Quite funny you now are critizing the stats
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Are you schizofrenic? Can you stop talking for random people that can speak for themselves if they have an opinion on the matter?
And i say here: I don't want your stats ran for several reasons. A lot of people has told me the same.
I can list a whole bunch, but i think most of them is better left unsaid.
Not sure you would understand either way.
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7 Jun 2015, 08:30
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by TheoDD
Are you schizofrenic? Can you stop talking for random people that can speak for themselves if they have an opinion on the matter?
And i say here: I don't want your stats ran for several reasons. A lot of people has told me the same.
I can list a whole bunch, but i think most of them is better left unsaid.
Not sure you would understand either way.
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Lol. Now your trying to make this into some personal trolling.
My stats wasnt even offered for this round.
People are free to speak for themself if they want to, and im free to say what ive heard.
Im pretty sure your also one of those they aimed at.
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7 Jun 2015, 08:45
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
A lot of people ive spoken with wish that all those thats been deciding stats over the last 10-15 rounds would stop holding "new fresh thinkers" back, im pretty sure you would be one of the guys wich they were aiming at.
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
While many of us here said from the start this stats/this guy, should not be doing stats by the look of what he put forward from the beginning, yet you were one of those that said "this looks promising". Quite funny you now are critizing the stats
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The stats changed, and thus my opinion of them changed. I'm not sure what's funny about that.
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7 Jun 2015, 09:56
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Lol. Now your trying to make this into some personal trolling.
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yes I heard from a lot of people that it's other people that are doing the personal trolling. You are the poor victim here.
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7 Jun 2015, 13:53
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Bad stats is bad stats mz.
That cat is populary with normal eff is just a sign of it.
A lot of people ive spoken with wish that all those thats been deciding stats over the last 10-15 rounds would stop holding "new fresh thinkers" back, im pretty sure you would be one of the guys wich they were aiming at.
While many of us here said from the start this stats/this guy, should not be doing stats by the look of what he put forward from the beginning, yet you were one of those that said "this looks promising". Quite funny you now are critizing the stats
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Interesting. The stats weren't bad initially. They were a little unorthodox, yes and yes they've resulted in a rather one sided race distribution. But that is all down to the changes made by the admin team - not the stats maker.
I also second the motion if people have an opinion, let them say it for themselves, rather than you thinking you are the speaker for all, fictional or not, that you have conversed with regarding the stats. They have a voice, let them voice it.
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7 Jun 2015, 14:14
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Interesting. The stats weren't bad initially. They were a little unorthodox, yes and yes they've resulted in a rather one sided race distribution. But that is all down to the changes made by the admin team - not the stats maker.
I also second the motion if people have an opinion, let them say it for themselves, rather than you thinking you are the speaker for all, fictional or not, that you have conversed with regarding the stats. They have a voice, let them voice it.
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Im allowed to speak for my own opinion, based on what i get from other people and from what i see myself.
Im not sure why so many people went for zik this round, i find them in particular very weak.
It seems to me someone found out that either CO or CR was a good choice to go for, and they told everyone else that this was the way to go, wich resulted in the race distrubution being as "broken" as it is atm.
What its come down to for me so far is that the CO/CR allies will roid swap for the next 900 ticks.
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Im allowed to speak for my own opinion, based on what i get from other people and from what i see myself.
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You are allowed to speak your own opinion... No matter how illogical it is.
But you keep saying many others say this and that...
Tell them to voice their own opinions on the forums then.
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7 Jun 2015, 16:03
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by TheoDD
You are allowed to speak your own opinion... No matter how illogical it is.
But you keep saying many others say this and that...
Tell them to voice their own opinions on the forums then.
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Last time people voiced their opinions Apocco master had to send out a mail ingame that stats wernt final after all the abuse people gave him
If they wish to voice their opinion they will, it dosnt stop me from saying that people often whine over the stats and the "stats mob" in here
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7 Jun 2015, 16:08
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Last time people voiced their opinions Apocco master had to send out a mail ingame that stats wernt final after all the abuse people gave him
If they wish to voice their opinion they will, it dosnt stop me from saying that people often whine over the stats and the "stats mob" in here
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to be fair... nothing stops you from saying anything here, as you keep regularly spewing out crap with no ground what so ever.
I didn't even know there existed a "stats mob". Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions. You just come with pointless shit and harrass others, and then claim to be the victim afterwards. Big difference.
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7 Jun 2015, 16:18
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
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Originally Posted by TheoDD
to be fair... nothing stops you from saying anything here, as you keep regularly spewing out crap with no ground what so ever.
I didn't even know there existed a "stats mob". Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions. You just come with pointless shit and harrass others, and then claim to be the victim afterwards. Big difference.
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The people being the most active in this forum is a very small group of people.
Its not that ststs will be choosen democraticly anyway
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8 Jun 2015, 11:55
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Who are these people that are "getting shut out" Bring them forward and have them put up a set of stats that doesn't favor one race or one class. If they actually want to come here for a debate and argue issues then fine; but if they come here with the idea "my idea is right and you are stupid" then be prepared to get laughed out or ignored.
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13 Jul 2015, 13:02
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Re: Blue's Stat Set Rnd 62
Looking back on these stats, I stick to my pre-round criticism that they are far too defensive.
Alliances have attemped to compensate for this by relying heavily on EMP in all alliances, by organizing teamups of 3-8 fleets per wave, and by engaging in gangbangs in the last half of the round. BF, CT and Ascendancy all had 5+ alliance blocks on them for 3-8 nights, making landing fairly easy even with stats favouring defense.
This has reduced the number of viable fleet stats, made individual attacks less about thinking what to send and more about just piling on shit until the target collapses, and made politics rather boring.
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