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Unread 7 Jan 2019, 21:08   #1
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Angry The honorable demort

I'm just chatting with demort, and he started of by saying that he will be running 3 full tags next round. That would be carnage, carn and heresy for those unaware. He keeps saying that he is proud and honored that he has so many followers, and I try to explain to him why I think having 180 planets under your control is bad for the game.
This continues into the fashion where he says he just can't say no to anyone.
And everyone wants to play with him.

So is this actually a good scenario for the game?
Where we now have demort with around 180 planets before round start, making both universe politics and all other alliances at a huge disadvantage.
Not to mention the coordination of galraids and bashing amongst all other galaxies from start.

I wish Pa staff would get that huge stick out their asses and make tag limits 30/30 or 40/40. So it's at least a bit more balanced in the battle of QUANTITY vs quality.

I'd be honestly suprised if we don't see a new drop in players during/after this round.
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Re: The honorable demort

The same old whimping from you eh...
If you cannot play with people, maybe you should find another game?
Only because you cant live in a bigger tag, dosnt mean everyone else should suffer.

And it has been show time and time again, that large tags are uncontrollable 9/10 times.
If Demort, or anyone else actualy manage to keep a tag of 120+ players together and benefit from it, i think its well desevered.

DLR last round, Heresy, KittyCatZLionZCaRnCarisan, VGN, a million Norse iterations, and a billion of Nelito/Brazillian tags all keep jumping around into new tags/mergers or have major blows outs just because they simply lack the ability to work with who ever they merge with/play with.

More people = more conflicting interest = more drama
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Unread 8 Jan 2019, 07:10   #3
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Re: The honorable demort

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If Demort, or anyone else actualy manage to keep a tag of 120+ players together and benefit from it, i think its well desevered.
It's not A tag. It's plural as in tags. And congrats on making Papadocs prediction come true, he bet you of all people would come with useless comments such as this before hand. I didn't bet against him, as it felt more like a reminder.
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Unread 8 Jan 2019, 08:33   #4
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Re: The honorable demort

It's not ideal to have all these allys linked as it prevents politics from being as fluid as possible however it's not like Carnage have come out and dominated the last 5 rounds.

Other alliances dont just have their head in the sand and have no idea about the relationship. They will set their own politics and counteract accordingly.
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Re: The honorable demort

so let me get this straight....

Demort is running 3 full tags gonna nap 70% of the universe and still not get a tag win...

The pure irony/hypocrisy here is that 90% of the playerbase cried the first time ult ran with a tag and a half/quarter because so many wanted to play under the HC team, YET here's Demort chilling with 3 FULL tags and barely anyone seems to to give a flying shit...

where do i sign up for an inc free round until 20 fleets hit a tag and they crumble like the proverbial they are?

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It's not A tag. It's plural as in tags. And congrats on making Papadocs prediction come true, he bet you of all people would come with useless comments such as this before hand. I didn't bet against him, as it felt more like a reminder.
Tag/alliance, you know what i meant.

Your arguments are so flawed, it realy is not point trying to read your posts with an open mind anymore.
"I wish Pa staff would get that huge stick out their asses and make tag limits 30/30 or 40/40. So it's at least a bit more balanced in the battle of QUANTITY vs quality."

How would Demort running 6 full tags instead of 3 make this game better?
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Unread 8 Jan 2019, 12:34   #7
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Other alliances dont just have their head in the sand and have no idea about the relationship. They will set their own politics and counteract accordingly.
This sh*t is more worrying than Demort having "3 tags under his command".
But it does prove a very valid point, that either way its usually is 2-3 tags cooporating together for the entire round anyways.

But id rather have half the universe working with Demort, than half the universe having a EOR NAP with what ever alliance is winning from the start wether its ND/DLR or Ult as in the past.
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The pure irony/hypocrisy here is that 90% of the playerbase cried the first time ult ran with a tag and a half/quarter because so many wanted to play under the HC team, YET here's Demort chilling with 3 FULL tags and barely anyone seems to to give a flying shit...
Well its quite different with a support tag full of def planets and spiderpigs(he was the undisputeable leader in Ast), and 3 tags playing together, and having 3 full sister tags.
Ultores love to claim they are being unfairly threated when they keep being cheating scumbags, there is no hypocrisy here.
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Well its quite different with a support tag full of def planets and spiderpigs(he was the undisputeable leader in Ast), and 3 tags playing together, and having 3 full sister tags.
Ultores love to claim they are being unfairly threated when they keep being cheating scumbags, there is no hypocrisy here.
You really should get off that high horse pal, you played in bows with brazils who have proven time and time again to cheat/do dirty deals with each other and not once did we see you call anyone out publicly from that group
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You really should get off that high horse pal, you played in bows with brazils who have proven time and time again to cheat/do dirty deals with each other and not once did we see you call anyone out publicly from that group
Well some BowS guy also had his spiderpigs in our "support tag", VGN, at the time. Think he had 5-6 multies. After he was declined from BowS later on he joined Ult instead.

Which is not my point, the complaints was to Ult having a extra tag full of multies more so than having a extra tag in general
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Re: The honorable demort

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It's not ideal to have all these allys linked as it prevents politics from being as fluid as possible however it's not like Carnage have come out and dominated the last 5 rounds.

Other alliances dont just have their head in the sand and have no idea about the relationship. They will set their own politics and counteract accordingly.
Thanks for posting something in this thread that's actually worth replying to.

I agree that other alliances aren't blind, and that they will attempt to counter overly large alliances by forming agreements between themselves. However, I'd argue those don't fully solve the problem, because an agreement between 2 60-man alliances is inherently less stable than 1 120-man alliance. Agreements between alliances end several times a round, whereas alliances fall apart much less frequently. In addition, when an agreement between alliances ends, it's often done without bloodshed; when an alliance falls apart (regardless of how many tags it used), it's almost always a messy affair involving emoquitting, multi-round grudges, etc. This forms a buffer against mid-round alliance breakups, because no one comes out ahead.
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Re: The honorable demort

Hmm...so am i understanding things correctly; Carn Carnage and Heresey will have same/similar command staff and/or shared command staff channel? That pretty much says they will "coordinate" their attacks even if it is unofficial. So basically you could have the potential to have 180 planets hitting the same X number of tags/forts.

They are a block which is fine, we have had blocks before. My question is will each of them still have a support tag? It also gives them 60 support planets in tag since only 40 count towards tag limit. That is a HUGE advantage and is more my concern. 180 planets, no problem its a block....60 support planets in tag plus whatever support tag....that is an issue and they can hide crashes more effectively and of course can kill enemy value.

Will be interesting to see how the PA universe takes the news. Could be a bash fest since they would only really need like 2 or 3 naps to break the PA universe alliances.

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Re: The honorable demort

It's Demort.
I don't see the problem.
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I bet carnage still don't win
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Re: The honorable demort

This is hilarious

Carnage and Heresy are friendly pre round

So are Faceless and ND

FL has support tag and so does ND

So OMG Turjake is in control
Of 4 tags - can pa team help?


Stop your jibber jabber noobs and either recruit more join a bigger tag or sort your pols ...
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This is hilarious

Carnage and Heresy are friendly pre round

So are Faceless and ND

FL has support tag and so does ND

So OMG Turjake is in control
Of 4 tags - can pa team help?


Stop your jibber jabber noobs and either recruit more join a bigger tag or sort your pols ...

Oh come on CBA, you know there is a substantial difference between 2 alliances having a friendly arrangement yet maintaining their own autonomy, separate hc etc, and 3 alliances having the same overall leader/hc team etc. In a game which is struggling to get over 500 players at this point, having one person/command group in control of a potential 180 planet's is unnecessary and damaging to the game.
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So are Faceless and ND

FL has support tag and so does ND
Nice troll.
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Oh come on CBA, you know there is a substantial difference between 2 alliances having a friendly arrangement yet maintaining their own autonomy, separate hc etc, and 3 alliances having the same overall leader/hc team etc. In a game which is struggling to get over 500 players at this point, having one person/command group in control of a potential 180 planet's is unnecessary and damaging to the game.

What 3 alliances?
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Yeah [CaRn] is CaRnage.
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