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mazzelaar · 26 Nov 2002, 14:12

Any serious bidders?

26 Nov 2002, 14:17

$1 to take the big loss making hunk of code off their hands

Kileman · 26 Nov 2002, 14:21

Will the new owners take control of all debts? (lo GF4's)
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Knight Theamion · 26 Nov 2002, 14:21

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Originally posted by Kileman
Will the new owners take control of all debts? (lo GF4's)

face it kiwi

you are never going to get it unless you sue 5S

26 Nov 2002, 14:23

Greedy b*st*rds.

They should open source it. The community deserves something after spending two years on this :-)

Kileman · 26 Nov 2002, 14:23

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Originally posted by Knight Theamion

face it kiwi

you are never going to get it unless you sue 5S

If they were a NZ company I would have already

but sueing a company that would just declare bankruptcy isnt all that fun :\
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mazzelaar · 26 Nov 2002, 14:24

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Originally posted by Kileman
Will the new owners take control of all debts? (lo GF4's)

fs - you keep going on about this - anyone would think you'd won the damn game or something ;p

dabult · 26 Nov 2002, 14:24

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Originally posted by Kileman
Will the new owners take control of all debts? (lo GF4's)

http://pirate.planetarion.com/forum/...hreadid=154416

Its not 5S thats for sale, its Planetarion, the game and its surroundings.

xtothez · 26 Nov 2002, 14:25

Can I just buy AD? There's some people who need banning...

Knight Theamion · 26 Nov 2002, 14:25

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Originally posted by Kileman

If they were a NZ company I would have already but sueing a company that would just declare bankruptcy isnt all that fun :\

personally i think it would be fun to ruin their chances of the other game

Kileman · 26 Nov 2002, 14:32

/me will trade his GF4 debt for a mil screen that goes up and down as he pleases
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mazzelaar · 26 Nov 2002, 14:33

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Originally posted by Kileman
/me will trade his GF4 debt for a mil screen that goes up and down as he pleases

/me will trade kiles gf4 for a woman that goes up and down when I please

Kileman · 26 Nov 2002, 14:33

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Originally posted by mazzelaar

/me will trade kiles gf4 for a woman that goes up and down when I please

deal

You send me the woman, ill pass on the gf4 debt to you.
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mazzelaar · 26 Nov 2002, 14:35

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Originally posted by Kileman

deal

You send me the woman, ill pass on the gf4 debt to you.

damn my ability to write coherent sentances

I get robbed out of more women that way than.....

Lanceman · 26 Nov 2002, 14:38

"The Planetarion Forums & user base. "

Heh, I'm not available for sale

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xtothez · 26 Nov 2002, 14:55

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Originally posted by Lanceman
"The Planetarion Forums & user base. "

Heh, I'm not available for sale .

Well I'm just a whore then : (

Psi_K · 26 Nov 2002, 15:20

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Originally posted by xtothez
Can I just buy AD? There's some people who need banning...

DarkAngel · 26 Nov 2002, 17:37

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Originally posted by decoy
Greedy b*st*rds.

They should open source it. The community deserves something after spending two years on this :-)

Open source would kill what life is left. don't be an idiot.

26 Nov 2002, 18:30

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Originally posted by DarkAngel

Open source would kill what life is left. don't be an idiot.

Angry penguins will crawl up your bed at night and peck you to submission.

Dave · 26 Nov 2002, 18:54

Wern't they saying just a few days ago that PA would never be sold.

How times and promises change :\.

K0loth · 26 Nov 2002, 18:55

They should put it on ebay

Tactitus · 26 Nov 2002, 22:22

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Originally posted by Lanceman
"The Planetarion Forums & user base. "

Heh, I'm not available for sale .

What about all the names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc that PA's collected over the past ~3 years (basically, all the information you have to give to register an account)? Is that information going to be included in the sale?

I sure hope not--especially since the signup page promises that information will never be sold or given away...

Of course, it wouldn't be their first broken promise... :/

26 Nov 2002, 22:51

let it go
be happy you won the damn worldcup, you should not need a gf or some ****t..
its not even rocking tha house!

26 Nov 2002, 22:51

The sale will include:

All code developed and pertaining to the Planetarion game.
Alliance hosting (conditional)
The www.planetarion.com domain & name.
The Planetarion Forums.
The Planetarion Portal (conditional)
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So that is the source code, PA and AD, the web address, the forum and the portal....
That EXCLUDES any part of 5S itself, excludes ANY user data and excludes the hardware needed to run the game (i.e. 5S either dont own the servers OR are keeping them to run the "football game") and excludes any debts or goodwill associated with 5S

It doesnt mention any retained rights.... (grey area legally) and doesnt mention any trademarks specifically (if there are any)

26 Nov 2002, 22:57

I think I'll buy it and delete all the planets of the people that have wronged me in the past.

Hicks · 26 Nov 2002, 23:00

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6,000 existing paying customer base

A customer base which has fallen 3000% in less than a year ? Half of those 6000 will never give Planetarion any money again.

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All code developed and pertaining to the Planetarion game.

We've repeatedly been told that there are no back ups of the old code so basically you want to give people the patched up Round 8 code (Which sucks a tad). Is it true that the code and comments are written several lanuages ?

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Alliance hosting (conditional)

Which no one has ever used anyway.

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The Planetarion Forums

"Great".

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The Planetarion Portal (conditional)

Ugly, Unfinished and quite frankly a mess to use.

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The www.planetarion.com domain & name.

Quite possibly the only thing worth paying for, perhaps someone can put a porn site there or somthing hoping to get customers, I mean 95% of Planetarion are wankers so it wouldn't be a problem.

You'll be lucky to get a few hundread pound for it.

26 Nov 2002, 23:17

Agree with Hicks..
But I "thought.." we did not have to tell this info to the rest of the world..
Its not all truth either, but.. some "might" be..
I think we own more than this as a thank you for the game, to fifth season..
Honestly.. I had a fun time..
It should ended in round five though, and had a free round.. Or some..
What ever..

G.K Zhukov · 26 Nov 2002, 23:20

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Originally posted by Tactitus

What about all the names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc that PA's collected over the past ~3 years (basically, all the information you have to give to register an account)? Is that information going to be included in the sale?

I sure hope not--especially since the signup page promises that information will never be sold or given away...

Of course, it wouldn't be their first broken promise... :/

some of us have never trusted creators enough to give the true details (phone number, rl name&address)....
Okey, I admit to beeing slightly paranoid

G.K Zhukov · 26 Nov 2002, 23:21

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Originally posted by decoy

Angry penguins will crawl up your bed at night and peck you to submission.

Amen

Salomo · 27 Nov 2002, 01:21

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Originally posted by Hicks
A customer base which has fallen 3000% in less than a year ? Half of those 6000 will never give Planetarion any money again.We've repeatedly been told that there are no back ups of the old code so basically you want to give people the patched up Round 8 code (Which sucks a tad). Is it true that the code and comments are written several lanuages ?Which no one has ever used anyway."Great".Ugly, Unfinished and quite frankly a mess to use.Quite possibly the only thing worth paying for, perhaps someone can put a porn site there or somthing hoping to get customers, I mean 95% of Planetarion are wankers so it wouldn't be a problem.

You'll be lucky to get a few hundread pound for it.

Is there any specific reason you're trying to scare away possible buyers or is it just general bitterness?

Biggdogg · 27 Nov 2002, 01:33

As crazy as it might sound, and it would never happen, but if _W_ coded, and Nod gave the ideas, formulas etc, this game could quite possibly be something entertaining again. Although the chances of that happening are about zero.

xtothez · 27 Nov 2002, 01:55

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Originally posted by Biggdogg
As crazy as it might sound, and it would never happen, but if _W_ coded, and Nod gave the ideas, formulas etc, this game could quite possibly be something entertaining again. Although the chances of that happening are about zero.

Wouldn't work.

Nod would have no one to blame for himself when it went wrong, and we'd be stuck throwing Tarantulas at each other for round after round.

: )

Zapman · 27 Nov 2002, 01:59

Now that would be fun, in a strange sarcastic kind of way.

But I seriously doubt that anyone could make the game work again. Ever.

HobbieRogue4 · 27 Nov 2002, 07:42

At this moment, Legion is pooling its resources to outbid any competitor.

The Legion bids 4 genuine pictures of Grendel.

Jester · 27 Nov 2002, 08:31

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Originally posted by Tactitus

What about all the names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc that PA's collected over the past ~3 years (basically, all the information you have to give to register an account)? Is that information going to be included in the sale?

I sure hope not--especially since the signup page promises that information will never be sold or given away...

Of course, it wouldn't be their first broken promise... :/

It's not listed. It would also be illegal according to Norwegian law (to do it without your consent). I even have my doubts about the legality of selling the forum.

Jester

hinch · 27 Nov 2002, 11:21

wonder if i can buy just the domain name to point it at www.**********.net

G.K Zhukov · 27 Nov 2002, 23:13

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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
At this moment, Legion is pooling its resources to outbid any competitor.

The Legion bids 4 genuine pictures of Grendel.

include the leghump0ring script of Watson, and no amount of money can match it!

27 Nov 2002, 23:14

i think its a great idea .
and it insures the future of planetarion.
and this game is really nice and it has a nice gamplay .
me as a real pa lover feels pa should be around 4ever . it has made me get in contact with australian and american people and ofc other countrys in europe and beyond .

the poeple i genarely met where nice . and i am looking forward to the next round . wich will be great 2

Zeus you made the right decition .

sincerly

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randal · 28 Nov 2002, 11:54

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Originally posted by Biggdogg
As crazy as it might sound, and it would never happen, but if _W_ coded, and Nod gave the ideas, formulas etc, this game could quite possibly be something entertaining again. Although the chances of that happening are about zero.

Imo there is such an 'immense potential of skill and creativity in the community' (tho that sounds quite ****ty), and i've always been quite shocked of how little the creators made use of that..
If there would have been just One smart guy at 5th season, who would have been able to gather some of the input given by all those quite lovely coders, it students, computer-company-workers, creative ppl, intelligent chaps, 'crazy dewds' etc.etc., that for sure exist in this once huge community, i'm absolutely sure many of the problems they had could have been solved and who knows what could have been made of pa..
There simply are many of those ppl, and they would have been free and ready to help.. and i wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually had ideas which would have worked to make money etc.. still the creators just weren't smart enuogh to make use of all this, or just not flexible enough.. with of course is your death in internet 'business'

Zeus · 28 Nov 2002, 12:07

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Originally posted by randal

Imo there is such an 'immense potential of skill and creativity in the community' (tho that sounds quite ****ty), and i've always been quite shocked of how little the creators made use of that..
If there would have been just One smart guy at 5th season, who would have been able to gather some of the input given by all those quite lovely coders, it students, computer-company-workers, creative ppl, intelligent chaps, 'crazy dewds' etc.etc., that for sure exist in this once huge community, i'm absolutely sure many of the problems they had could have been solved and who knows what could have been made of pa..
There simply are many of those ppl, and they would have been free and ready to help.. and i wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually had ideas which would have worked to make money etc.. still the creators just weren't smart enuogh to make use of all this, or just not flexible enough.. with of course is your death in internet 'business'

Still have many of the great ideas documented. However you should understand that it quite unrealisitc to envisage that just 1 coder could possible code all the new features by himself. For more coders = money and that we just did have to spare as FS debts did need paying off as first prority. Im not defending the slow deveopment, I agree it was WAY to slow and somthing that the new buyer hopefully will improve on.

wakey · 28 Nov 2002, 13:29

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Originally posted by randal

Imo there is such an 'immense potential of skill and creativity in the community' (tho that sounds quite ****ty), and i've always been quite shocked of how little the creators made use of that..
If there would have been just One smart guy at 5th season, who would have been able to gather some of the input given by all those quite lovely coders, it students, computer-company-workers, creative ppl, intelligent chaps, 'crazy dewds' etc.etc., that for sure exist in this once huge community, i'm absolutely sure many of the problems they had could have been solved and who knows what could have been made of pa..
There simply are many of those ppl, and they would have been free and ready to help.. and i wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually had ideas which would have worked to make money etc.. still the creators just weren't smart enuogh to make use of all this, or just not flexible enough.. with of course is your death in internet 'business'

I'm not really too sure about that really. I'm of the opinion that PA actually got worse the more input the players got. The problem with involving the players more you see is that all of us have our ties in the game which causes our views to be biased and by human nature we will back the ideas that will help yourself. Even if you try to be as unbiased as possible your still conditioned in such a way that you only know what its like from your side of the fence and not from the other side which doesnt allow you to really have an informed view, you also dont have an idea of how the games coded so you never know how a small change might end up adversly affecting another area.

The whole private galaxy/Powerblock senario highlights this perfectly. Certain groups pitched this idea as being "A way for the small to succeed" however there was a lack of posts pointing out the adverse effects to the game from it and even if people did it was drowned out by the "Private galaxies will give every active person a chance" brigade. You see the posts about this played on emotions of the majority of teh community and made them look really popular but once we got them we really saw who they aided. Back in r1,r2 (and to a lesser extent r3 due to the cheating that created the unoffcial private galaxies) there could be as many as 20 seperate alliances all fighting their own causes and all with a real sense of power that kept the others honest (and then after these 20 there were another 20+ all snapping at their heals that couldnt be ignored). Once we moved to a private universe we ended up with around 3 super alliances (or powerblocks) and then a massive gulf to the rest who in no way could compete which resulted in stagnation at the top end of the game and bashing at the low end which made the game 'boring' for both parties. So as you can see a popular idea with the backing of the vast number of the community doesnt normally bring about good instead brings about changes that try to please everyone and end up not pleasing anyone.

Anyway I'll leave this aspect of my post with the follwoing golden rule of producing a game

Do not try and please everyone, instead produce a game YOU would enjoy playing and there will be others who will also enjoy it
Which is exactly what the creators did in r1 and r2

Now about the actual sale I am actually dreading it as I feel its going to sour the whole Planetarion Experiance even more than the last few rounds have. Not that I dont think someone could could come in with enough capital and make it successful venture but because PA has a special feel about it which primarly comes from the creators. Its Like with the reformation of Conc a few rounds back.....they may have had the same name but the new Conc didnt have the same feel, atomphere and fear of the old one and the same thing is likly to happen to PA. It may be called PA, Look like PA ect but it just wont be the same. Personally if it was me buying it I would just use the code i bought as a basis but make massive changes, give it a new name and then point the domain at the new game to attract PA's players to it. That way you have the foot in the door of the industry but dont get dragged down by the baggage that being the same as PA and being called PA would bring with it

Kileman · 28 Nov 2002, 13:32

on that note... I wouldnt play a random round again

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wakey · 28 Nov 2002, 13:42

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Originally posted by Kileman
on that note... I wouldnt play a random round again

I'm sure you would IF there was more players. It took too long to take the steps back to random (should have been done r5) so the numbers were too low to support a good random universe

hAl · 28 Nov 2002, 13:50

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Originally posted by Kileman
on that note... I wouldnt play a random round again

On the same note I would not play in a private galaxy again. Even chose to play in a random one in r7.

Hope 5S will be able to sell to a party that can bring back free rounds.

hAl

wakey · 28 Nov 2002, 13:55

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Originally posted by hAl

On the same note I would not play in a private galaxy again. Even chose to play in a random one in r7.

Hope 5S will be able to sell to a party that can bring back free rounds.

hAl

Would personally think thats unlikly. Any company able to make a serious bid on this is going to want to recoup this investment and cover the costs which unless they are a big name like MS, Sony ect I dont see them being able to do through banner ads and sponsorship

Kileman · 28 Nov 2002, 14:29

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Originally posted by hAl

On the same note I would not play in a private galaxy again. Even chose to play in a random one in r7.

Hope 5S will be able to sell to a party that can bring back free rounds.

hAl

I really miss the community aspect of having a gal filled with friends. Fking around solo just doesnt do it for me

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hAl · 28 Nov 2002, 15:08

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Originally posted by wakey

Would personally think thats unlikly. Any company able to make a serious bid on this is going to want to recoup this investment and cover the costs which unless they are a big name like MS, Sony ect I dont see them being able to do through banner ads and sponsorship

It is something you can add to a games portal to extend the range of games in it or to another internet portal (offering other services) to give the users more features and/or to bring in a new target group of people. Most portals offer a wide variety of services to clients including games. Normally a game like this would cost to much to develop for anything but a major gaming portal but now it can be bought rather cheaply.

hAl

Salomo · 28 Nov 2002, 15:51

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Originally posted by Kileman

I really miss the community aspect of having a gal filled with friends. Fking around solo just doesnt do it for me

In r2 and r3 i had a gal with friends, friends i met when the new round began and who i kept even after the round ended. This round there also definetly is the comunity feeling in my gal (at least for me and judging by the cooperation also for others) eventhough it is not as great as r2/r3.

For there to be such a comunity feeling you need to go into the gal open minded though. If you hate certain alliances that end up in your gal, if you play only for your alliance and not at all for your gal, if you disrespect gal members as being n00bs and write them off instead of helping them, then you will never have a comunity feeling towards your galaxy. (not saying that you are doing all these things, they're just examples.)

Ofc there are also cases of bad luck where you really land in a terrible galaxy, but on one hand your galaxy is what you make of it, and on the other hand i expect people to get more used to random galaxies again if there are random galaxies for a few rounds, and then cooperation will prolly work a lot better. So far I still have the impression many "top players" are still so used to private galaxies that they expect to be surrounded by people as good and competent as they are, but thats simply not the case in random galaxies (and not really neccessary) so instead of being disapointed that you only have 1 or 2 other actives in the gal you need to start shaping the gal together with them.

This of course does not fully apply to those really unlucky in a really ****ty gal, but i doubt all those people complaining bout their gals really are in that bad gals.

mikay · 1 Dec 2002, 05:27

At the time the game finished there was a sum total of 0.000 posts on politics. There were only 3 people who ever went on IRC. Sometimes I used to scan ppl I liked in gal to see if there was an overburn incoming. One of the ministers regularly had absolutely nothing in his news.

I have no real issue with random gals and in some ways it's been nice but they will never work with 10 people. You need a minimum of 25 to guarantee some level of activity and consistency.

Personally I don;t feel the random gal aspect has been much of a success. The ppl who are inactive in those gals just don't really care to learn the more advanced aspects of the game. The "big league" players seemed to support their gal early on when it was needed only to feed them to their allies later in the round.

Kileman · 1 Dec 2002, 07:45

... or the 'newer' players are never online when it matters.. no matter how big and active they get, they're still gonna get cnuted at 6.55am

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