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Unread 12 Jul 2012, 13:51   #301
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1. Ult 2. Haven 3. Babylon 4. CT 5. xvx
Is a list of who has best attacks.

of those 5 ult have had from 2. Haven currently have from 3 possibly 4. along with nub flak.

That also means its no def for haven from those allies. Ult could get def from bab and xvx.

Can try to simplify even more, but i think even you get this!
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I still think it does. They can only cover so many fleets.

Surely in a ST round that only applies if the 2 sides are completely oppossed in their setups??

The way i see is that in HaveN's case WITH most their players having a value lead over most attackers (900 ticks of no incs would presume they have) and on defence, and with a couple of fort galaxies it should be reasonably easy to turn away most incommings with base fleet +2 defenders max maybe even one of as you say people have buccs (or none if they have buccs themselves).

75 members x 3 = 215 defence fleets, as long HaveN's DCs are on the ball and are getting people to recall/relaunch (with Phant and Santa there i wouldnt see why not) they should be making a better effort of stemming roid loss than they have been so far.


Maybe this is the fall down of going cr/bs though instead of fi/co, maybe the xan factor starts coming into things a little and makes defence awkward now compared to those alliance that have a decent amount of xan players in their ranks...
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And incase you still have any doubt, you should look at Haven v Apprime. Apprime have a few less fleets available I grant you, but are just as value high as hvn. App are arguably in the skill level of Ult, and more dangerous (given that they don't care a flying fk about score and will do what it takes to have revenge). Yet when haven and App went at it, App got roided. Infact, I think one day about 4%, that magic minimum number we talked about. And that was without the added fleets of CT and co flying at them.
As soon as App hit back, hvn got roided.
first of all, can we not call it APP but BABYLONS. APP merged with ROCK and became BABYLONS.

2nd. who ever says there is a block/ bandwagon vs HVN..

BABYLONS did not hit HVN, until HVN and DWTFK hitted us. this is what made HVN lose their round. they said BABYLONS would help CT or ULT, thats why they hit us. well we werent going to help any1. we had skirmishes this round with DWTFK/ND and only coz they attacked us. so how smart move was it from HVN? u target our fort gal is for us war declarationl, we make our member exile from ur fort gal (the gal that was going to win, not anymore).
u have all round no roid loses, look how much roids u are losing now. maybe your bully policy doesnt work on all alliances. now we are glad to work and help any of your enemies

u roided izverg and 1 tick roidlost to ikiru.
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Re: Round 47 Predictions

Isn't Forest in CT? I mean, not that it detracts from your excellent post.

I also want to take the opportunity to apologize for calling BABYLONS Apprime. I thought it was just a tag name change. I'm sorry.
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Isn't Forest in CT? I mean, not that it detracts from your excellent post.

I also want to take the opportunity to apologize for calling BABYLONS Apprime. I thought it was just a tag name change. I'm sorry.
yes he is

i replied to him(forest, ct) and to
'2nd. who ever says there is a block/ bandwagon vs HVN.

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tnx for apology btw,its not a tag name change. its a merge between 2 alliances who still uses their past philopsys that are good for the alliance
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yes he is

i replied to him(forest, ct) and to
'2nd. who ever says there is a block/ bandwagon vs HVN.

capiche

tnx for apology btw,its not a tag name change. its a merge between 2 alliances who still uses their past philopsys that are good for the alliance
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but maybe you could build an alliance and show us how it is done.
he did hc an ally but then the 10 man oracle by handed him his arse on a plate and he threw his toys out of his pram and sulked off to join xvx
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Re: Round 47 Predictions

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If above posters is to complicated for you here is an explanation even a 5 year old could understand!

1. Ult 2. Haven 3. Babylon 4. CT 5. xvx
Is a list of who has best attacks.

of those 5 ult have had from 2. Haven currently have from 3 possibly 4. along with nub flak.

That also means its no def for haven from those allies. Ult could get def from bab and xvx.

Can try to simplify even more, but i think even you get this!
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who are you kidding with this xvx has better attacks then nd crap ?

ct + nd + haven = 2 alliances but ultores + ct + babylon = 3 or possibly 4 ?

and FYI gzambo it was an 8 man oracle bg
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HeX was decided to close before its last round started!
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and FYI gzambo it was an 8 man oracle bg
I was including sonic and dav who were on the tof tag that rd they were told to stop attacking hex when kaiba went crying to tof
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They know that Illusion they just like to gloat

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Will Ultores hit CT before round end??

Passing HaveN will probably happen now with the roid interchange, plus any resources Ultores have hoarded for the last week, just wandered if they will have a crack at the win... 46 mill looking pretty epic a task but surely for the good of PA and actually i would think to Forest and peeps will agree on this that Ultores have to have a go at trying to pass them
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Re: Round 47 Predictions

If ult and crew switch to CT then haven will win. At this point theres not much to be gained from roid value so even though they've lost 60k roids in the past 3 days they will switch to CT and xp through to #1.

Ult maybe will make half of the gap with the remaining ticks and it Ct and Haven start crashing they will make up most if not all of that in the remaining week.
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So back onto the round...


Will Ultores hit CT before round end??

Passing HaveN will probably happen now with the roid interchange, plus any resources Ultores have hoarded for the last week, just wandered if they will have a crack at the win... 46 mill looking pretty epic a task but surely for the good of PA and actually i would think to Forest and peeps will agree on this that Ultores have to have a go at trying to pass them
I don't know. Haven aren't out of it yet, I would think it would take at least another 2/3 days for that, and then ult might look at things.

Who knows though what they are thinking.

They now know that CT won't crash as easily as in the past though
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If ult and crew switch to CT then haven will win. At this point theres not much to be gained from roid value so even though they've lost 60k roids in the past 3 days they will switch to CT and xp through to #1.

Ult maybe will make half of the gap with the remaining ticks and it Ct and Haven start crashing they will make up most if not all of that in the remaining week.

Wouldnt Ultores be able to xp better than Haven? As they have better attacks and lower value/score than a lot of Haven players? Just asking...


Forest: The round win is extremely unlikely in 7 days, why would they wait until 4 days left??? Again just asking... in a hypothetical situation wouldnt setting up with this Babytores and chums block tonight and then late switching to CT mean that Ultores got a huge upper hand in the tide change and xp gains, with CT out attacking and HaveN still grounded for incs...
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no because hvn no longer have many roids so wont be grounded. haven are still dangerous, if ult hit ct, hvn would win
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I agree, I think for Ultores to have even the outside chance they currently do there is still work to be done on Haven.
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I agree, I think for Ultores to have even the outside chance they currently do there is still work to be done on Haven.
this is sensible and so was what forest said but it appears this game isn't sensible and so after 4 nights of attacking haven it appears that people have switched to ct already..

as a result haven still has a chance..

makes for an interesting round end though
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-18k roids on 1st day of incs..

thats pretty embarrasing :P
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aint it somekind of a record?
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aint it somekind of a record?
I would say hostilities from 8/9 top 10 alliances is some kind of record

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aint it somekind of a record?
I don't know, but the 350 incomming fleets might be as well. I challenge any alliance to do better than -15% with that many fleets coming in.
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Haha. I love that every alliance that gets hit seems to think they are the only ones to have ever had to deal with large incomings.
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only 350 incs?

in that case it aint a record :/ theres been other times with that number of incs
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only 350 incs?

in that case it aint a record :/ theres been other times with that number of incs
FAnG had that kind of incommings last round, but then again the stats cant be compared to these rounds stats.
CT having no forts what so ever will also leave the vurneabel to these complex stats.
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I don't know, but the 350 incomming fleets might be as well. I challenge any alliance to do better than -15% with that many fleets coming in.
Spreading the defence about a little instead of a certain few always hogging it would be a start
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Re: Round 47 Predictions

Totally unrelated: how is Ronin doing these days?
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aint it somekind of a record?

Its all kind of relative i suppose, they had a lot of players with a lots of roids and CT's defence is not on par with the likes of Ultores so it was bound to be a decent amount of roid loss


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I don't know, but the 350 incomming fleets might be as well. I challenge any alliance to do better than -15% with that many fleets coming in.
When i was in xVx they had 4 days of 300+ incommings and i dont beleive they lost more than 8% on any given day (but thats from memory the intial night may have been slightly over 10%)

During my time in Ultores they have upwards of 250 incs a night for 2 odd weeks, that is more demoralising and harder to defend than 1 night of 350 imo.

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I would say hostilities from 8/9 top 10 alliances is some kind of record
I would say that is par for the course when your the #1 alliance and have had no incommings of note before today, its not the first time everyone has ganged up on the top dog in the final week for sure

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Aslong as CT dont crash i would imagine you will see it through, i think even Ultores will struggle to catch up 40 mill in 6 days and HaveN are probably demoralised in their active quarters now planet and gal ranks have been ruined.
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I dunno I always thought that went asc got hit by the whole (we were only ranked about 7th at the time iirc ) universe in rd 26 when we got blamed for supposedly hacking irc servers that was the highest inc 1 ally got (since the game died and the number of players dropped drastically that is ) but I guess its all subjective
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I dunno I always thought that went asc got hit by the whole (we were only ranked about 7th at the time iirc ) universe in rd 26 when we got blamed for supposedly hacking irc servers that was the highest inc 1 ally got (since the game died and the number of players dropped drastically that is ) but I guess its all subjective
My whole gal got hit by 7 alliances in round 33.

Me I had 2 whole alliances on my planet alone...

As for Ronin, Arc and Sleepless I THINK THEY SURVIVED.
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When i was in xVx they had 4 days of 300+ incommings and i dont beleive they lost more than 8% on any given day (but thats from memory the intial night may have been slightly over 10%)
I can't remember if it was last round or not where the amount of inc for each ally was posted on the forums, but xvx's was comically low and from what I remember they didn't have a particularly impressive roid count to show for it.
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I can't remember if it was last round or not where the amount of inc for each ally was posted on the forums, but xvx's was comically low and from what I remember they didn't have a particularly impressive roid count to show for it.
An alliance one round doesn't have to be exactly the same as it was 4 rounds earlier (kaiba is talking about r43 from what i remember), at least i had 12 straight days of incoming that round and lost 0 roids during that period.
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I think the round im thinking of was Ultores' first PA round, everyone was pissed off at xVx for something in the previous round.

The one your thinking of was a couple of rounds ago, when xVx sat out of everything all round whilst Ult Fang and CT went at it
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I think the round im thinking of was Ultores' first PA round, everyone was pissed off at xVx for something in the previous round.

The one your thinking of was a couple of rounds ago, when xVx sat out of everything all round whilst Ult Fang and CT went at it
I think you guys might be referring to last round where xVx did not get as much incomings as people thought.

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=199737 link to stats from last round.
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It would be interesting to see a round where alliances form more stable relationships. The last 2 rounds have been all about every alliance in the game ganging up on the currently most likely winner.

Everyone is so scared of not being a part of the big block it seems.

Its also a bit weak that as soon as the alliance who gets ganged up on has a chance to join the block, they will, no grudges held. And Im not saying that because Im in CT. Tbh, I didnt like it at all when we joined in on attacking Haven, I felt it was really lame and a bad move for our own future on top of that.

I would love to see more alliances having their own plans and aspirations, rather than simply being part of the big block. In that aspect Apprime has most of my respect, with Ult as a close second (for using everyone like sockpuppets time and again).
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Im sure we will have new stats again this round, and we will see, even though Ultores getting a lot of focus, everyone else will recive as much hostile fleets as everyone else.
Im sure that this round we will see it being more spread out than last round though, i dont think it will be one alliance getting 30-40% more hostile fleets than everyone else as FAnG did.
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i dont think it will be one alliance getting 30-40% more hostile fleets than everyone else as FAnG did.
Im not going to deny the fact you got more incs than everyone else but please dont make out like FaNG suffered some horrible bashing compared to the rest.

CT will most likely catch up or even overtake everyone in incs this week, even though Ultores has been hit heavily for 70% of the round.

It really comes down to 2 things...

1) In the final week whoever is getting bashed will get extra incommings from everyone jumping on the bandwagon looking for easy roids/scoregain.

2) Ultores brings the pain better than anyone else currently in PA
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with Ult as a close second (for using everyone like sockpuppets time and again).

I also find this hilarious, were in the last week of a round where everyones primary goal was to stop Ultores winning and we now have 8 odd alliances hitting their main rivals alongside Ultores... well done everyone to stick to the plan!!!
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Im not going to deny the fact you got more incs than everyone else but please dont make out like FaNG suffered some horrible bashing compared to the rest.

CT will most likely catch up or even overtake everyone in incs this week, even though Ultores has been hit heavily for 70% of the round.

It really comes down to 2 things...

1) In the final week whoever is getting bashed will get extra incommings from everyone jumping on the bandwagon looking for easy roids/scoregain.

2) Ultores brings the pain better than anyone else currently in PA
No, they didnt suffer any horrible bashing, they just had way more incs than everyon else.
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Im sure we will have new stats again this round, and we will see, even though Ultores getting a lot of focus, everyone else will recive as much hostile fleets as everyone else.
Im sure that this round we will see it being more spread out than last round though, i dont think it will be one alliance getting 30-40% more hostile fleets than everyone else as FAnG did.
Maybe. We just had two in a row where the alliance with most incs had that much more than anyone else. (5217 Ultores to 3212 Fang from round 45, proving it's not impossible to win with that imbalance)

Oh, and I keep saying it, but how good was round 30. 4 alliances with over 5k incs, 2 with more than any alliance between round 16 and the current one. I missed that these stats were up.
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Maybe. We just had two in a row where the alliance with most incs had that much more than anyone else. (5217 Ultores to 3212 Fang from round 45, proving it's not impossible to win with that imbalance)

Oh, and I keep saying it, but how good was round 30. 4 alliances with over 5k incs, 2 with more than any alliance between round 16 and the current one. I missed that these stats were up.
Well then again Ultores/xVx were allied, they shared def, and they were both well ahead of everyone else for the entire round almost.
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So really you're saying Fang lost round 46 due to political incompetence, rather than heavy incs. Fair point.
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So really you're saying Fang lost round 46 due to political incompetence, rather than heavy incs. Fair point.
That is spot on. Political victory yes.
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Hurrah, you're finally understanding what Planetarion is. Have a gold star!
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On a side note how safe to CT feel in the current situation? I mean do you beleive because everyone went after HaveN that your safe or deep down do you know your being left to last because your the easiest to take down???

Squeaky bum time now!! 48 ticks ago the gap between 1st and 3rd was 48 mill, now its 31 mill.... and they havent even targeted your 'xp' planets yet!!! Looks as though we will have a good end of round after all... Ultores with its tail up is still a pretty impressive sight....
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CT has given us a great satisfaction so that we can once more see how its possible to lose 20k roids per night.

it is a great sadness that we wont be able to make it in the run for top1 anymore, but never the less we have had a nice few days of our enemies crashing and new shiney roids on our planets..

my bet is still on CT`s win over Haven tho, since as im informed, they still have a great deal of stocks unused
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CT has given us a great satisfaction so that we can once more see how its possible to lose 20k roids per night.

it is a great sadness that we wont be able to make it in the run for top1 anymore, but never the less we have had a nice few days of our enemies crashing and new shiney roids on our planets..

my bet is still on CT`s win over Haven tho, since as im informed, they still have a great deal of stocks unused
You can just try scan the planets in CT and upload it, so everyone else can be as informed as you.
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You can just try scan the planets in CT and upload it, so everyone else can be as informed as you.
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use your own res
Why would i, neroon is delusional, why would i waste my res on it
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well.. i did at least newsie u to see the SK`s in da action
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