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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 10:31   #1
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wouldnt this be better ?

Seems to me that the problem is , alot of accounts got started and them abandoned.

Why not ,at tick 73, delete all accounts out of protection and having nine roids or less - this would remove all the dross and then shuffle the remaining free accounts
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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 10:40   #2
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

I don't think that is the main problem, but it would be wise of them to delete all inactive planets before shuffling.
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hi gerbie was in your gal for a while in 5:2 ;-))
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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 13:20   #4
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

inactive will be deleted, if they meet the inactivity thresholds:

72 hours for an account that's never been logged in to
1 week since last login for an account that has.

as the shuffle will be happening at tick 72, this should get rid of a fair few naturally.
past this, inactives will be distributed evenly thoughtout the universe, and therefore will have little effect on gameplay. therefore, it seems pointless deleting those who're not otherwise due to be deleted

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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

why distribute the inactives? i mean fs ... its better to get rid of them :P
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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 18:14   #6
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

because, by the game's definition, they're not inactives.

personally, i think anyone who's not logged in between midnight and 3am is inactive. should they delete all of those as well?

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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 19:43   #7
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

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inactive will be deleted, if they meet the inactivity thresholds:

72 hours for an account that's never been logged in to
1 week since last login for an account that has.

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What a ludicrous definition of inactive.

So any player who has created a planet and logged in to see what it looks like will occupy a space in some poor galaxy for at least 4 days after protection ends? Unbelieveable!

And yes - I *have* seen one planet with zero roids which is out of protection and has not been deleted. I'm sure that it won't be the only one.
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

Well there has been one shuffled into my gal..
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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 20:37   #9
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

WAY the go PA team !!!!!!!!! \o/

A m8 got 3 175+ roid planets into his gal and I got 3 shit randoms.

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Unread 16 Oct 2004, 22:40   #10
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

That is usually the definition for inactive in the middle of the round. In the past, inactives were purged much more actively at the start of the round. Because lets face it, if you only log in once or twice in the first 2 days, you are inactive, and if you still have 0-9 roids after 3 days of playing, you should be deleted and stop clogging up the galaxies.


In all fairness, private galaxies should be 5 planets only, no randoms, while random galaxies have 10. You go random, you get more people, but likely less active people, it is a fair trade off, and it avoids much of the luck of the draw, as private galaxies will all be on a level playing field.
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

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That is usually the definition for inactive in the middle of the round. In the past, inactives were purged much more actively at the start of the round. Because lets face it, if you only log in once or twice in the first 2 days, you are inactive, and if you still have 0-9 roids after 3 days of playing, you should be deleted and stop clogging up the galaxies.


In all fairness, private galaxies should be 5 planets only, no randoms, while random galaxies have 10. You go random, you get more people, but likely less active people, it is a fair trade off, and it avoids much of the luck of the draw, as private galaxies will all be on a level playing field.
I use a sucky free email account for games like this. And it's terribly slow. I got a warning msg that my account would get deleted if I didn't login fast. Sorry, but it's impractical to delete people within 48 hrs.
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

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WAY the go PA team !!!!!!!!! \o/

A m8 got 3 175+ roid planets into his gal and I got 3 shit randoms.

Damn your good at this job...
this was a random shuffle of all free accounts
this means we had no controll over where we are gonna place who.(random)
this solution was agreed on by all major aliances and we put it to all planetaroin reps.
we all agreed it was the best thing to do.
sorry that some of you didnt get 5 hardcore players but there where no more in the unpayed accounts.

now on deleting inactives.

we cant delete people that have loged in before they become inactive for 7 days
this is done because we dont wanne kill active accounts that for some reson cant acces there account for a couple of days.
the limit was 14 days befor its now 7 days (only on unpayed accounts)

last but not least

i saw that a lot of people blame spinner for the screwup with signing up
agreed this isnt the best option and we could have seen forseen the problem, i think some people in the universe have to look at themselfs for some of the blame.

if you sign up your fifth private account 1 hour for the game starts you cant expect us to have 5 randoms ready for you to get droped in (they have already signup and have been placed)
75 gal did that this round and that created the unbalance.
looking at the way signups went last round we expected the private gals to be fille in days.
we didn't count of you guys waiting untill the last second and that i agree was our mistake.

so we will be thinking about how to make sure this cant happen again and do a better job next time.
i would welcome all suggestions
if you wanne submit one please mail it to : [email protected]

for now we have a game to play so HAPPY ROIDINGS
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Unread 17 Oct 2004, 11:03   #13
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

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this was a random shuffle of all free accounts
this means we had no controll over where we are gonna place who.(random)
And if the distribution occured such as it was described, this was probably the best possible way of doing it.

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we all agreed it was the best thing to do.
Not quite. I agreed that it was the best way to shuffle the universe, but since I was told what the exile/signup placement criterium is, I think that the shuffle problem is secondary.

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sorry that some of you didnt get 5 hardcore players but there where no more in the unpayed accounts.
This isn't a shuffle issue, this is a screw-up that goes back to the moment signups began. I've made my reasoning here clear several times, so I won't repeat myself.

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we cant delete people that have loged in before they become inactive for 7 days
this is done because we dont wanne kill active accounts that for some reson cant acces there account for a couple of days.
the limit was 14 days befor its now 7 days (only on unpayed accounts)
I strongly agree. Changing the time to delete accounts is a bad idea.

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i saw that a lot of people blame spinner for the screwup with signing up
agreed this isnt the best option and we could have seen forseen the problem, i think some people in the universe have to look at themselfs for some of the blame.
You can't be serious. If you'd made all this public then that's one thing, but my galaxy was full more than 24 hours before ticks started and we didn't get a single random. See the aforementioned flaw in exile/signup placement for more information. See Sid's post for another possible solution.

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if you sign up your fifth private account 1 hour for the game starts you cant expect us to have 5 randoms ready for you to get droped in (they have already signup and have been placed)
75 gal did that this round and that created the unbalance.
Actually we can. Considering that skewed placement has in almost every round resulted in a shuffle, the behavior exhibited this round was unexpected and caused outrage.

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looking at the way signups went last round we expected the private gals to be fille in days.
we didn't count of you guys waiting untill the last second and that i agree was our mistake.
Weren't private galaxies last round 3 people? If you change one parameter, how can you not expect the outcome to change?

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so we will be thinking about how to make sure this cant happen again and do a better job next time.
i would welcome all suggestions
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=180814

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Thanks. But it's annoying that every time I sign up a planetarion account I seem to be having fun despite the best attempts made to ruin it.
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Unread 17 Oct 2004, 13:17   #14
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this solution was agreed on by all major aliances and we put it to all planetaroin reps.
we all agreed it was the best thing to do.
LOL.

Get your facts straight.

Alliance HC was presented by Kal, "we can do this or nothing".
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

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this solution was agreed on by all major aliances and we put it to all planetaroin reps.
we all agreed it was the best thing to do.
Nice to see you know exactly what the alliance reps agreed up on while your not even in that channel.

And btw it was agreed that the free randoms where placed in universe on level of activity and number of roids so it would even out a bit more.

Thats different then 3 150+ roids players in 1 gal and 3 0 roids players in a other.


Plz don't start saying the alliance reps agreed on something you didn't saw for yourself.
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Re: wouldnt this be better ?

Two questions:

1) Why didnt you plan and announce a universal shuffle for all random planets (payed and free) to be done during protection?

2) Why have you removed the self exile function?
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Two questions:

1) Why didnt you plan and announce a universal shuffle for all random planets (payed and free) to be done during protection?
This suggestion was, what Alliance HC asked them to do to even out the universe.
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This suggestion was, what Alliance HC asked them to do to even out the universe.
After 12 rounds one should assume that they knew by now that a shuffle is ALWAYS needed. I just wonder why the PA team does this to themselves every round....
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