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Unread 13 Oct 2004, 16:21   #51
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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Fencesitting is always the responsibility of the smaller alliance whose members are being illoyal. So if your members fencesit in LCH galaxies, you should deal with it. Not LCH.
Well, very few if any ND members are in LCH galaxies, so I cant see that becoming a problem. If MISTU (for example) was in a huge lead, LCH members in their galaxies would fencesit. Which would be LCH's problem. See my point?

Fencesitters encourage stagnation. 2 alliances teaming up does not.
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

o im not fencesitting cos otherwise the big bad men will cum get me in the nite im doin it as i luv my galm8s so much i wouldn't want 2 upset them no rly

plus i don't wanna help those 2 inactive in my allaince to be in a 1337 gal with a h000ge planet

i'm 1337 so ph33r me lolz

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Re: hmmmmmmmm

with the current planet base it will happen alot that alliances will have many gals with the same sorts of allies in it.

not even 3 k planets :/
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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Well, very few if any ND members are in LCH galaxies, so I cant see that becoming a problem. If MISTU (for example) was in a huge lead, LCH members in their galaxies would fencesit. Which would be LCH's problem. See my point?

Fencesitters encourage stagnation. 2 alliances teaming up does not.

Yes, and last round showed that fencesitting happens in a round without private galaxies anyway.

Fact is, you'll always have people who 'side' or 'ride along' with the winners. The problem is not in stopping this entirely, but curbing it. Alliances need to take greater control over their members and what they are doing. It's everyones inability to actually enforce a policy of no fencesitting that causes stagnation. If anything, blame the alliances who allow it to happen.
If LCH and Mistu go to war, it'll be up to LCH to make sure their members don't sit it out. If they don't, that's their fault and there is nothing that can be done about it. Although, after the dismal display of loyalties to relevant alliances last round it wouldn't surprise me if it happened all over again.
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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Yes, and last round showed that fencesitting happens in a round without private galaxies anyway.

Fact is, you'll always have people who 'side' or 'ride along' with the winners. The problem is not in stopping this entirely, but curbing it. Alliances need to take greater control over their members and what they are doing. It's everyones inability to actually enforce a policy of no fencesitting that causes stagnation. If anything, blame the alliances who allow it to happen.
If LCH and Mistu go to war, it'll be up to LCH to make sure their members don't sit it out. If they don't, that's their fault and there is nothing that can be done about it. Although, after the dismal display of loyalties to relevant alliances last round it wouldn't surprise me if it happened all over again.
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 12:06   #56
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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well if your mixing with any galaxy out there that has an opening......or strategically placing members in a number of different alliances....that's fencesitting....

if your not doing either of those things, and you are in fact placing them strategically with "friendlies".....thats lying......

it's either one or the other......and you can say "get real" all you like....truth is, Fish's accessment is as REAL as it gets

We are not placing members we allow members to create their own gals and get ppl in they know regardless of alliance.

IMO that is what this game is about, playing with ppl you know and getting to know new ppl along the way.
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 17:23   #57
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We are not placing members we allow members to create their own gals and get ppl in they know regardless of alliance.

IMO that is what this game is about, playing with ppl you know and getting to know new ppl along the way.
Smells distinctly like an excuse for your fencesitters tbh. Fencesitters are the lamest of the lame. Alliances should grow balls and say that members shouldnt be in gals with certain alliances. Like MISTU did with ND. Well done.
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Yes, and last round showed that fencesitting happens in a round without private galaxies anyway.

Fact is, you'll always have people who 'side' or 'ride along' with the winners. The problem is not in stopping this entirely, but curbing it. Alliances need to take greater control over their members and what they are doing. It's everyones inability to actually enforce a policy of no fencesitting that causes stagnation. If anything, blame the alliances who allow it to happen.
If LCH and Mistu go to war, it'll be up to LCH to make sure their members don't sit it out. If they don't, that's their fault and there is nothing that can be done about it. Although, after the dismal display of loyalties to relevant alliances last round it wouldn't surprise me if it happened all over again.
All very valid. However, I would just like to add that those situations do not need to arise if alliances become blocks of 2 anyways. Would mean most gals were consisted of gals from their own 'partnership' and chances of fencesitters on the scale of last round would be minimal.

As a side note, I take it 1up will not stand for any fencesitters this round?
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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Smells distinctly like an excuse for your fencesitters tbh. Fencesitters are the lamest of the lame. Alliances should grow balls and say that members shouldnt be in gals with certain alliances. Like MISTU did with ND. Well done.
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lets hope Gate logs in tbh!

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Smells distinctly like an excuse for your fencesitters tbh. Fencesitters are the lamest of the lame. Alliances should grow balls and say that members shouldnt be in gals with certain alliances. Like MISTU did with ND. Well done.

Don't know what your problem with us is but get a life.
But call us fencesitters if that makes you happy, we know its different.
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As a side note, I take it 1up will not stand for any fencesitters this round?
put it this way, we didn`t last round at the stages where LCH had a clear advantage on us with roids/score so..
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put it this way, we didn`t last round at the stages where LCH had a clear advantage on us with roids/score so..
The advantage they had was nowhere near the advantage that could be had this round, what with that big block to kill you and all.
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All very valid. However, I would just like to add that those situations do not need to arise if alliances become blocks of 2 anyways. Would mean most gals were consisted of gals from their own 'partnership' and chances of fencesitters on the scale of last round would be minimal.

As a side note, I take it 1up will not stand for any fencesitters this round?

Fencesitters always arise in every round no matter the political viability of alliances involved. It's all very well for a move to be praised for alliances to ban members from being with eachother, but that isn't balls whatsoever - its simply showing a political intent before the round even begins. It doesn't change a thing - because the only thing that could happen in this dream world of yours is for alliances to all ban one other alliance - anymore and we would be at 5 member galaxies, which is something noone will have done.

What would be more interesting is to find out if any alliances have done proper large scale swap of members, as that will quite obviously signify a block in the process of being built.

As for 1up, we have never tolerated our own members being fencesitters.
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Re: hmmmmmmmm

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Fencesitters always arise in every round no matter the political viability of alliances involved. It's all very well for a move to be praised for alliances to ban members from being with eachother, but that isn't balls whatsoever - its simply showing a political intent before the round even begins. It doesn't change a thing - because the only thing that could happen in this dream world of yours is for alliances to all ban one other alliance - anymore and we would be at 5 member galaxies, which is something noone will have done.

What would be more interesting is to find out if any alliances have done proper large scale swap of members, as that will quite obviously signify a block in the process of being built.

As for 1up, we have never tolerated our own members being fencesitters.
yea, people can act dumb and naive when a war starts and they dont wanna attack their gal mates' alliances. When they join a private gal (or whatever u wanna call it this round) they should know that they may have to fight the alliance that their gal mates are in. If you go random, you have to accept the same fact.

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yea, people can act dumb and naive when a war starts and they dont wanna attack their gal mates' alliances. When they join a private gal (or whatever u wanna call it this round) they should know that they may have to fight the alliance that their gal mates are in. If you go random, you have to accept the same fact.

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As a side note, I take it 1up will not stand for any fencesitters this round?

If members are told to defend certain targets, or attack targets, and fail to do so, they will be assumed spies, kicked and made an example of.

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