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23 Apr 2003, 21:03
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man utd once again are completely outclassed
admit it muppets, '99 was a complete fluke, they never ever really had what it takes to win.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:05
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They are a bunch of CAVEMEN
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23 Apr 2003, 21:09
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I cant believe this is the same team that is so feared in the premiership,
ooo nice one becks, might help you in your transfer to real this summer
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23 Apr 2003, 21:15
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Shows just how far behind the Spanish League our English premiership actually is. United own the Permiership, Real own us all
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23 Apr 2003, 21:32
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The topic lies.
Manchester United deserved to win the tie from tonights performance, ignoring the 1st leg.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:36
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The topic lies.
Manchester United deserved to win the tie from tonights performance, ignoring the 1st leg.
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well i did post that midway through, they played better in the end, but still you always got the feeling that Madrid were only applying 70% towards the end, i think if real madrid really wanted to win they could have done.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:37
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Replacing Barthez with a Thalidomide victim with tiny little paddles for arms, and Wes Brown with a dog turd might have made a positive difference.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:40
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They weren't outclassed at all. Figo and Zidane barely got a touch, for instance.
In fact they must've been worried because they took of Figo for a defender.
Also, 2 own goals (one actually, but Beckham's second goal was already off in) is not what you expect from a world class team like Real Madrid.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:46
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Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
ignoring the 1st leg.
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If UEFA agree, maybe UTD will still go through.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:51
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look can we at least agree that of the two Real Madrid is by far (like a squillion miles) the best team.
Ok Figo and Zidane werent as effective, but oh look, they still have R Carlos, Ronaldo, and they were even playing without Raul. The trouble with Madrid is practically every single one of their players ('cept the scoucer) is truly truly world class.
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23 Apr 2003, 21:52
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Macmanamamnamnamnamn actually had a good game compared to others.
Ronaldo is still a fat bastard, and Carlos did sod all.
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23 Apr 2003, 22:01
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Ronaldo is still a fat bastard
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id take the fat bastard over the midget gimp and his retard partner that make up the liverpool and england strikers.
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23 Apr 2003, 22:04
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id take the fat bastard over the midget gimp and his retard partner that make up the liverpool and england strikers.
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Wayne Rooney plays for pool now?!
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23 Apr 2003, 22:07
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He's talking about Heskey and Owen dude!
(I assume you were joking)
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23 Apr 2003, 22:09
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i refuse to get excited over master rooney, he has potential but we've still to see what happens when top class defenders learn to play against him. Remember the first 'big' season is easy, you're new and people dont expect you to do anything, i have my doubts over his future.
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23 Apr 2003, 22:10
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Did we watch the same game? I saw Real have few chances, which to there credit they took.
I cant stand this total overrating of Real, its just like the bull**** over Rooney. The commentary was yet again disgraceful - Only Figo can be "graceful" as he's outpaced and dispossed easily. Figo and Zidane were quiet, Carlos did little - United were better.
In both games, its taken moments of individual brilliance for Real to score, or sloppy defending. Chances wise, United had more - In both games.
When you talk about Zidane, Figo and Carlos, you *have* to talk about Van nistelrooy(Who is the best *striker* in the world), Beckham(Who needs figo?), Scholes, who was missed(It was horribly frustrating tonight, with the ball often running free on the edge of the box - The area where scholes would be banging them in from).
United need 3 players next season - A centre back, a replacement for keane and another striker.
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This thread needs a post from the Iraqi information minister.
I cannot believe nobody's done that gimmick yet. Maybe I really did do all of them :(((((((
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I feel the need to attack Ferguson's management again.
He brought Beckham on, and put Solsjaer to left wing, and kept Giggs up front. Giggs is a left footed player, who has spent many seasons on the left wing, while Solsjaer is a natural goalscorer. Giggs is better at running at players, and not having his back to goal. Solsjaer had to keep turning inside and was useless out there, where he couldn't hit the touchline and get crosses in.
He did this with Scholes in the previous leg, and he had the same problems.
Just how Ferguson has been so successful is beyond me.
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23 Apr 2003, 22:19
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Just how Ferguson has been so successful is beyond me.
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A youth system that gives you Giggs, the Neville Brothers, Beckham, Scholes and Butt in the space of a few years might have something to do with it.
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A youth system that gives you Giggs, the Neville Brothers, Beckham, Scholes and Butt in the space of a few years might have something to do with it.
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How has he managed to intergrate them into the team successfully though, when he does this week-in-week-out?
It's like playing with no left flank at times.
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How has he managed to intergrate them into the team successfully though, when he does this week-in-week-out?
It's like playing with no left flank at times.
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He's preparing them to play for england!
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23 Apr 2003, 22:28
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A youth system that gives you Giggs, the Neville Brothers, Beckham, Scholes and Butt in the space of a few years might have something to do with it.
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Not to mention he bought Schmeichel for 500k, Cantona for 1.2million, Keane for 3million, Irwin for less than a Million, Solsjkaer was cheap too.
Ferguson turned United into the richest club in the world, he is undoubtedly the worlds best manager.
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Real madrid did not qualify for the semi finals. They were all slaughtered. Manchester will play the next round.
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23 Apr 2003, 23:51
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Van nistelrooy(Who is the best *striker* in the world),
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I would have Raul, Shevchenko, Crespo, Vieri, Shearer, Henry and probably 1 or 2 other strikers before RvN. Even the ever biased Ferguson rated Raul as the best player in the world after the 1st leg.
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I would have Raul, Shevchenko, Crespo, Vieri, Shearer, Henry and probably 1 or 2 other strikers before RvN. Even the ever biased Ferguson rated Raul as the best player in the world after the 1st leg.
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I would have Raul, Shevchenko, Crespo, Vieri, Shearer, Henry and probably 1 or 2 other strikers before RvN. Even the ever biased Ferguson rated Raul as the best player in the world after the 1st leg.
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Raul isn't a striker, he's a defender fs.
You're just confused because he plays for Réal Madrid
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It really would have been interesting to see the same Real side play against any other premiership team, with the possible exception of arsenal, (though I think they would have fared worse than Man U.) they would have been slaughtered.
Real are the best team in the world, no doubt about it and Man U put up a very good performance, which no other english team could come close to matching.
I think Utd's recent results show just how well they are playing at the moment- when #2 can beat #3 6-2, as well as comparing the CL performace of Newc. and Man U, its clear there is a definite step at the top of the table.
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Did we watch the same game? I saw Real have few chances, which to there credit they took.
I cant stand this total overrating of Real, its just like the bull**** over Rooney. The commentary was yet again disgraceful - Only Figo can be "graceful" as he's outpaced and dispossed easily. Figo and Zidane were quiet, Carlos did little - United were better.
In both games, its taken moments of individual brilliance for Real to score, or sloppy defending. Chances wise, United had more - In both games.
When you talk about Zidane, Figo and Carlos, you *have* to talk about Van nistelrooy(Who is the best *striker* in the world), Beckham(Who needs figo?), Scholes, who was missed(It was horribly frustrating tonight, with the ball often running free on the edge of the box - The area where scholes would be banging them in from).
United need 3 players next season - A centre back, a replacement for keane and another striker.
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Lets see, Uniteds Teamsheet tonight
Barthez - Possibly at fault for first goal. 8 yards off his line for the third goal. No real saves.
Silvestre Brown and Ferdinand. Who? Where? Marking? What are you talking about?
O'Shea - brilliant. Though he always seems to be.
Butt, Keane - AWOL
Veron - Hit one shot sweetly the entire match - right at the keeper.
Giggs - generally good, worked hard anyway. One bad shot at the end. If he leaves, man utd fans will only have themselves to blame for the hassle hes been given.
Solskjaer - this was easily his worst game for man utd. he stunk to high heaven. missed shots, headers, misplaced passes etc etc. He was on some good form before tonight.
Van Sixyardbox - One 3 yard tap in, and the media's wanking over him as usual. Made an ok run in the first half too i have to say. Hit a shot or two over the bar, missed from just outside the box. Lost possession quite a bit too, but he was still better than most of the man utd team.
P neville - came on and did allright
Fortune - came on and made an ass of himself getting in a unneccesary fight
Beckham - came on and played damn well. Good cross for solskjaer, amazing free kick scored. Proved a point to everyone. Maybe he should have put the second free kick from close away, but it didnt matter by then.
You have the red mist again Haer. Overrating your team. They won 4-3, 2 own goals, against a real madrid side who had won by ronaldo's second.
The commentary - "Real can have whatever they want, including maybe whatever quarter final draw they want"
Yeah, really biased.
There is no way Van nistelrooy is the best striker. Every team in the last 8 has a better striker than him, and theres others elsewhere too.
Saying all this, i half heartedly wanted man utd to win, because i hate real more. Im more pissed that ajax got knocked out by italian scum.
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I would have liked Ajax to be slaughtered by Milan. But then again I am, not unlike most others, quite biased in my football opinions.
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Man U would probably have won the tie was it not for
- their piss poor performance in the first leg
- Barthez's poor positioning that allowed Ronaldo to score and get Real going
Both teams played really well, their attacking play probably couldn't be handled by most defences. Manchester United need to move Keane back into defence (he's no longer capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck) and give them some leadership in their back 4 of silence. Brown, O'Shea, Ferdinand - not a leader amongst them.
Still shocked by the fact that in both ties Ryan Giggs hasn't even been allowed a proper run at the Real defence.
That Van Nistelrooy - give me Todorov anyday ;).
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Vieri is the best in the world and inter will win the champions league and i shall be rich thanks to the nice people at ladbrokes, yey
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You do know vieiri is out for the rest of the season Reidy?
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aye, liverpool only have 18 points from their last 7 games, pretty shoddy.
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Charlton, Fulham, Leeds, Bolton, West-Ham, Aston Villa...
The only notable win was against Everton ffs
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lolly roffle
I would have Raul, Shevchenko, Crespo, Vieri, Shearer, Henry and probably 1 or 2 other strikers before RvN. Even the ever biased Ferguson rated Raul as the best player in the world after the 1st leg.
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I said striker, not player.
39 goals in one season. The record speaks for itself.
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You have the red mist again Haer. Overrating your team. They won 4-3, 2 own goals, against a real madrid side who had won by ronaldo's second.
The commentary - "Real can have whatever they want, including maybe whatever quarter final draw they want"
Yeah, really biased.
There is no way Van nistelrooy is the best striker. Every team in the last 8 has a better striker than him, and theres others elsewhere too.
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I never said United were Brilliant, but they *were* better than Real. Its nice to say "They had one by there 2nd goal", but quite frankly its not true. If it was nt for United missing 3 or 4 sitters in the last twenty minutes, we would have been through even with the third.
And yes, the commentary was biased. Totally overrating Real, who were a 3man team. Makele, Zidane and Ronaldo. Just like in the first, when they were Zidane and Raul. On there day, there the best, I'll admit that. Catch them on an off day and there 3man defence leaks goals like a sieve. But, as usual the self defecating english decide to hype up the Figos and the Carloses, despite neither have a particuarly good game. Its just not the way I would like to see United go. A solid centre back, a replacement for Keane and we will beat Real next year.
As for United teamsheet:
Barthez: Still a good keeper, harsh to blame him for any of the goals. Positioning slightly dodgy for the first, but not his fault.
O'shea: Good player, going to be great.
Gary Neville: Despite his critics, sorely missed. Kept Figo quiet generally in the first. Not exciting, but solid and reliable. Works will with Beckham.
Ferdinand: Performed poorly, but did well in the first. Needs to find his world cup form, he stopped Ronaldo then, he should be doing it now.
Silvestre/Brown: Not good enough.
Giggs: Needs to run with the ball more, but still a good player.
Scholes: There seems to be a lack of midfielders who do what he does in the world currently. For scoring goals from midfield he's one of the best. Missed tonight.
Beckham: Showed what he can do. Not been at his best this season, If Ferguson sells him, I'll be disappointed.
Keane: Past it, replace him.
Butt: Does nt perform to a high standard reguarly enough. Good as cover only.
Solsjkaer: Let down by his usually great finishing. He's almost the perfect substitute striker/right winger.
RvN: Caused Real trouble all night, will quite possibly end up as top scorer in the Champions league still.
Personally, I would like to see United buy Ledley king from spurs, Vassell from Villa. As far as the replacement for keane goes, the only player good enough that comes to mind is Viera, who may be out of reach.
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I know **** about british football but why on earth Ferguson put Giggs at the center and didint use him as a "runner" on the flank as usual? I mean everytime when I see Manu playing Giggs is always there and doing very good job. If not breaking off at the goal from the side but atleast getting freekicks and corners. Now someone anwser me this...
And lol. R.Carlos' freekicks sucks almost as much as my ones nowdays. Lets spell together o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d.
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WTF?
You are going to have to explain that one to me .
Interesting link
You will notice Mr RVN appears down in 66th on that list. Now i'm not going to try and tell you i think Arman Karamyan from Pyunik Yerevan is a better striker than RvN but i think that site puts things into perspective. Vieri plays less games, in a more defence minded league and has a better scoring rate than RvN, i dont think i can make it anymore simple to see that there are better strikers out there than RvN.
I did try to find some other player stats from Serie A and La Leaga but i couldnt find any decent sites in English .
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Gary Neville: Despite his critics, sorely missed. Kept Figo quiet generally in the first. Not exciting, but solid and reliable. Works will with Beckham.
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I thought Figo played on the left in the first leg. That's where he scored from anyway.
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In the first match? Yes Figo played in the left although I dont think he was "generally kept quiet". Recent match was much worse for him than the other. Same goes for Zidane...
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Aside from the rest of the bollocks you were spouting, I like the way that you think a right back kept a right winger out of the game.
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most of these games are stupid, because most of the players hardly ever even seem to come from the country they are playing for.
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We have the world cup/Euro-Cup for Nationalism, Man U having the England Team, Monaco the French, Bayern the German, and Real and Barca fighting over the Spanish players would get boring very quickly
(richest teams in their respective countries- I think )
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Arsenal is the richest team in France.
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