View Poll Results: What happens next
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Continue ticking
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Rollback 2 ticks
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End Round10 now
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13 Dec 2003, 16:54
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#151
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by SeeN
Ending the round like this with no pre-warning is bullshit!
I am sure Eclipse and the people in the top gal think this is a very good idea, but that is not how to end a round.
There is still much to be done and like it said to the hooker last night: I didnt pay to get stopped before I was done.
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think youll find the delete closed planet option deals with the #1 gal situation
they cant roll back cos they cant find fudge or mrbrick otherwise the fang cheat wing fiasco wouldnt have happened ( a 1 hr rollback would have sorted that nicely wouldnt it)
so your left with 2 options
carry on and ofc shaft those people that lost shedloads of fleet due to no fault of theri own who will probably quit and not come back
stop the game were 2030 ticks now which is longer than any other round to my knowledge
or simply keep the (s)ticker stuck till january and lets all have a bloomin holiday
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13 Dec 2003, 17:17
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#152
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I dont want another rollback, we've had 2(?) already this round. Continue ticking or just end this nightmare now. I have nothing to gain or lose either way.
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13 Dec 2003, 17:19
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#153
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
How about making a decision on when you will make a decision???
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13 Dec 2003, 17:30
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#154
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
this round i havent been as active as usual, free planet, check in 3-5 times a day,and im ranked around 7k,im enjoying the round but its getting a bit boring for me,so i say end the round in one to two weeks so giving notice for all the alliance wars and stuff like that,then go havok over christmas that would be best imo :lol:
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13 Dec 2003, 19:19
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#155
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
The round has been god from where I am sitting.. Let the people have their holidays in peace... Get some sleep and some quality time with family and GF/BF`s....
And for those not having any, go get one, actually goes for me aswell....
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13 Dec 2003, 19:26
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#156
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Join Date: May 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
the fact that this is actually happening means i wont be playing r11 or any round after that
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13 Dec 2003, 19:29
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Lucky
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
quit this shitty round now plz. thnx.
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13 Dec 2003, 19:52
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#158
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
It doesn't bother me that much that pa goes down etc.. the thing i find annoying is the complete lack of info from pa-team! you can at least give us a eta for decision to be made! so we know when to check up again..
will there happen anything today? tomorrow? next week? what is going on? share your knowledge with us please.. don't act like it's classified information.. and if you have absolutely no idea when you're going to solve this problem, at least tell us so.
thanks
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13 Dec 2003, 20:15
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#159
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
pa-crew
info NOW!!!
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13 Dec 2003, 20:34
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#160
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I'm sick of the pissing about in this game, either kill it or get on with it, flip a coin or something just GET ON WITH IT.
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13 Dec 2003, 21:08
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#161
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Walet Inspector
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by marker2
I'm sick of the pissing about in this game, either kill it or get on with it, flip a coin or something just GET ON WITH IT.
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My thoughts also !
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13 Dec 2003, 22:23
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
There are still a few days of playtime, as Christmas holidays begin for most on the upcoming Friday and this should be enough for a continue/announcement/proper end of round. Perhaps if used well the players would forget that the game isn't ruled by chaos, and the only thing random would be the Universe setup.
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13 Dec 2003, 22:35
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Eclipse High Command
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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There are still a few days of playtime, as Christmas holidays begin for most on the upcoming Friday and this should be enough for a continue/announcement/proper end of round. Perhaps if used well the players would forget that the game isn't ruled by chaos, and the only thing random would be the Universe setup.
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if this whole issue isnt hurrying up we wont see a tickstop at xmas.
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13 Dec 2003, 22:57
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Inquisitor
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Why is this even being debated?
If Elysium win only due to sudden recruitments, they'll just be a laughing stock to the majority of players. If they want to win through this method, then let them. It will only harm their reputation and taint their round.
Just hit the FAnG planets ffs, they are hostile. Elysium has no right to protect so many hostile planets due to pending recruitment (there was never any pending recruitment deals inplace when I was HC that was for sure- it was more a goodwill gesture) Goodwill in this case wouldnt happen since its recruiting a significant amount of HOSTILE planets.
Shame on you Elysium if you are indeed recruiting FAnG top planets just to win. I expected more from you.
PS: I do not speak on behalf of Eclipse. I speak as a Fury Executive so suck on it.
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13 Dec 2003, 23:42
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#165
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Let R11 come to us
No more shit... I MEAN PaX ... soz for the wordmistaking. didnt mean to *cough* *cough*
R11? More of a R4/5 sort plz
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13 Dec 2003, 23:43
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Can we keep alliance flaming off this thread and allow for ppls thoughts on the topic?
Yeah thx!
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13 Dec 2003, 23:45
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#167
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Ark-miner wannabe
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
*seconds what Stew said*
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13 Dec 2003, 23:56
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Tribologist
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I think this poll thing is just something to keep us occupied until they have finished rnd11...
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13 Dec 2003, 23:59
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#169
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I'd like just to remind people that this poll will not decide what happens, only help decide... there is a suprisingly high amount of arguing going on...
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14 Dec 2003, 00:00
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#170
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Retired?
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Deviant
I'd like just to remind people that this poll will not decide what happens, only help decide... there is a suprisingly high amount of arguing going on...
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Whats is there to argue about? if you have the possibilty to rollback then just do it..
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14 Dec 2003, 00:07
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#171
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Eventh
Whats is there to argue about? if you have the possibilty to rollback then just do it..
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Couldn't agree more
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14 Dec 2003, 00:15
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#172
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
its just an entertainment for them, just watch them sit back whilst everyone argues in here :P
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14 Dec 2003, 00:23
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Peon
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Why worry about a roll back, it will probly cause more problems and the server will crash again and we all sit around again for several days waiting for someone to make up their mind and fix it. Just start the game up give us a 2 weeks notice on the end and let's just get it over with. Then the PA team can start their codeing or what ever they gona do for R11....
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14 Dec 2003, 00:31
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Retired?
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Uthor
Why worry about a roll back, it will probly cause more problems and the server will crash again and we all sit around again for several days waiting for someone to make up their mind and fix it. Just start the game up give us a 2 weeks notice on the end and let's just get it over with. Then the PA team can start their codeing or what ever they gona do for R11....
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If they cant do a rollback without ****ups, they shouldnt even thinking about starting a new round..
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14 Dec 2003, 00:53
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#175
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Is it just me who thinks that with the amount of rollbacks this game has had, someone should have taken notes on how to avoid the bugs by now...?
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14 Dec 2003, 01:32
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nobody
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Roll back if possible, if not or not within 1/2 days, continue the game. I didn't work my ass off this round to see it end like this. I wanna end my pa-career with bang; I got some scores to settle.......
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14 Dec 2003, 02:03
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Howling Rain
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I'd like official EOR stats to be given out and then anyone that wants to play can play how they want - casually or seriously. After two weeks of this sort of play we could then move onto havoc, have a nice New Year and then be greeted with some interesting Round 11 =)
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14 Dec 2003, 02:05
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#178
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Just to repeat myself, I bored with rollbacks and downtime, and no longer really care about my planet. We've replayed entire days of this round in rollbacks, and we've sat around for days on pause. I don't see the point of the game being on hold for days just so we can play the last week or so. We're so close to the end now I consider the game to be as good as over. All that's left is for a few people to try and manipulate the rankings to getter a slightly higher result in the dying moments.
As R11 seems to be in no immediate danger of appearing, we might as well do something interesting, such as a speed or mini round. R9.5 was one of the most enjoyable I've ever played, and I've been here since R3.
As the game is screwed up, why bother putting it back together so it can stumble over the finish line? As we're going into havoc anyway, let's do something interesting. At the time of writing 41.6% of us just don't give a damn about this round going on. We want to move on to something fresh.
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14 Dec 2003, 02:32
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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14 Dec 2003, 02:48
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Fernando
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I don't follow you here. He's right if I'm looking at it correctly. If I am looking at it correctly, you are ignorant sir. If I'm looking at it wrong, I'm ignorant sir.
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14 Dec 2003, 03:01
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#181
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I say we continuing ticking and the game! i payd hard working money on this round! I am a student and I cant afford with much , but I saved and workt hard to save money to pay for this game to play so PLEASE keep it going! :tree:
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14 Dec 2003, 03:01
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#182
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Registered User
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by street9009
I don't follow you here. He's right if I'm looking at it correctly. If I am looking at it correctly, you are ignorant sir. If I'm looking at it wrong, I'm ignorant sir.
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dont worry you aint ignorant :lol:
he is
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14 Dec 2003, 03:06
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#183
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Stifler
dont worry you aint ignorant :lol:
he is
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Thats what I thought, lol. Thanks for the confirmation.
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14 Dec 2003, 03:24
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#184
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
OMG this is taking too long.... PAteam make up your fkin mind and do something
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14 Dec 2003, 04:03
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
They will wait till European Monday to make a comment,.
They are out Christmas shopping, dining, drinking and being festive without a care in the world. Afterall they don't play PA ,so why should they care when we are told or what their solution to this dilemia will be.
It's only us diehards that are missing out.
Maybe we should start a book on when they'll get round to looking at the situation.
My vote is after the New Year when they have eaten their fill, drunk to extreme and have nothing better to do.
{forgot to proof read :P}
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14 Dec 2003, 04:04
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Stop the ticker finally, end the round and give us a free round 10,5 with old stats, e. g. r4.
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14 Dec 2003, 04:07
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Stew
Can we keep alliance flaming off this thread and allow for ppls thoughts on the topic?
Yeah thx!
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Thirded.
Salt, Focht and co feel free to head here.
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Originally Posted by Salt
Some of us are just tired of the round and have no desire to continue playing regardless of who wins or loses.
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If you don't want to continue playing then don't. But why spoil it for those that do? (that was too easy)
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14 Dec 2003, 07:38
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
So after reading all the posts made here, it would seem that there are some that fear they have something to lose should the round continue. Also there are some that are actually bored and have nothing better to do than spam this thread. Answers will prob come in CH on Monday. But in my oppinion they should just have left the game running once the prob was solved and be it as it may consequences are consequences. You cant get a roll back if you launch an attack and then your Ip fricks up and you lose your ships. Why should this be any different? Stuff happens in games and you just have to pick it up from where it is. To all those that have had enough, bugger off and let us that actually like to, play the game. If the game has grown stale for you, leave it to someone else or just let your planet delete. Stop whining in the forums and find something else to do. There are some of us that like to play the game whether we are in the top 100 or not. If you got too big so fast that now the game is boring and you can't do really anything but send defence now and then, tfb, there are some that are actually trying to catch you, and though it is an impossiblity, there is the fun of trying to better yourself from where you are. Whining in forums isnt going to make it anymore interesting for you. Like they say its lonely at the top, and it would appear quite boring as well.
My 2 bits. And Merry Xmas to all
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14 Dec 2003, 07:41
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
the #planetarion topic actually says this thread is the place for latest info? could you stop joking and let us continue with the round already?
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this is verging on farming, you know perfectly well i have to run fleets. attack again and i`ll give serious thought to investigating you to see who else you farm, and possible close :P
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14 Dec 2003, 09:26
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Hathor
They will wait till European Monday to make a comment,.
They are out Christmas shopping, dining, drinking and being festive without a care in the world. Afterall they don't play PA ,so why should they care when we are told or what their solution to this dilemia will be.
It's only us diehards that are missing out.
Maybe we should start a book on when they'll get round to looking at the situation.
My vote is after the New Year when they have eaten their fill, drunk to extreme and have nothing better to do.
{forgot to proof read :P}
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or perhaps they are giving those who say stop now a taster of life without it for a few days...
btw i voted carry on.. and i'm one of the poor people who had an attacker land .. my attacker lost most of what it sent and i got well and truly ******** (cos i told the DC doing my defence 20% will do me, dont cover it , hindsight is wonderfull thing isnt it :-) ), i'd prefer roll back but i'm also fairly happy with just continue.
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14 Dec 2003, 10:09
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I don't know about anyone else, but losing 2 ticks is hardly tragic. I say we fight on!!!!!!!!
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14 Dec 2003, 10:21
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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But in my oppinion they should just have left the game running once the prob was solved and be it as it may consequences are consequences. You cant get a roll back if you launch an attack and then your Ip fricks up and you lose your ships. Why should this be any different?
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Simply because when the game it self is down, it affects everyone. (see the difference?)
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14 Dec 2003, 11:02
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Hmm.. so.. what i think is on everyones minds is this poll going to go on forever or is there a final end date for this?
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14 Dec 2003, 11:11
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
I think we should play more. Round wasnt over jet, these things what happend = PA. The game is played that way, face it.
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14 Dec 2003, 11:54
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
:sleigh:
who cares nemore tbh?
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14 Dec 2003, 12:56
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
wtf, you wanna let this poll run till x-mas or what? just restart the ticker or announce the end of the game ffs, even you should be able to do a simple announcement, this waiting for what will happen suckz even more and i´m sure lots of players quit over this again
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14 Dec 2003, 13:20
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
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Originally Posted by Flying_So-Low
I would agree with dabult, lots of people probably want that ending that is expected. Also if you want the round to end then obviously you don't like playing planetarion at the moment. Most of you have said this round has screwed up way too much anyway, so if you want the round to end...end it yourselves by quitting now and come back in Round 11 and let us idiots who want to keep playing this round, kill your planets ships and take your planets roids. You will still get your havoc, you'll just have to wait an extra week or two.(like expected)
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right awn brutha. Quit 'cho bitching and leave, rather than wreck the "fun" for the rest of us.
Last edited by Solmyre; 14 Dec 2003 at 13:25.
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14 Dec 2003, 13:56
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lolly roffle
Join Date: Nov 2001
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
Right.
First of all apologies to everyone for allowing this thread to be taken completely off topic by a few individuals. I have been away for 24 hours or so and it seems as though i am the only mod keeping tabs on this thread :/.
Dreadnought - thanks for starting all the trolling which has wasted roughly 40 minutes of my life to clean up.
Stifler - dont feed the trolls
Xtothez, Heartless, Focht, Salt and anyone else that was posting alliance crap in here - go over to AD if you want to wank off about how good your alliance is, dont derail this thread.
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**** it, you can go find yourself a new account Dreadnought.
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14 Dec 2003, 14:05
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Fook Yu
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Looked pal
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
we paid for the remaining 1,5 weeks. I suggest either let the ticks just keep rolling without rollback -or- giving an extra week of havoc (or maybe two rounds )
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14 Dec 2003, 14:18
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Hammerfest Norway
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Re: Planetarion Ticker: what happens next
HAVOC HAVOC at least somting fun is happening...all this mess making ppl quite anyway so lets do the HAVOC and end this round......yehh i know the round aint over ...vut iam used too never finnnish them dont look like we are finnishing any rounds....HAVOC HAVOC
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