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Unread 16 Aug 2011, 00:55   #51
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

What I meant was, it´s not advisable to guard against every possible fleet on your own, you will end with too may different ships, with 200-300k value stacks. worthless to attack and defend with, since majority of the competing universe will mass few ships, and most likely run you over both attack and defend wise.

So screw the damn vipers, with an E/R of 90 just mass pegs, cath players needs to think about bees also, so unless you´re ganged upon, I wouldn´t waste time on phoes.

Same with the investor, an Etd attacking will certainly bring tzens along, so spreading to the CO class will only cripply your overall chance of avoiding value loss - and The CO is worthless in attack.
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Unread 16 Aug 2011, 18:43   #52
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jesus....


harpies - pure def

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that is basic pa come on!
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screw the harpy, useless ship waste of resources, ingal def pegs, 2 or more BP/allied , or PL
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

have you seen harpies?? best efficency in the stats - plus you can alliance def

pl is ok but not a practical way to cover fi/co incs - plus cath vipers prett ymuch go 1 for 1 with pegs so wont be hard to emp them - harpy is a far better ship choice just due to the numbers you can build and the fact it doubles up as fi flak
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Calcs with harps vs. pegs against mixed cath/xan, comes out pretty much even. So except for the uni eta it really isn´t a better ship, what the harp have in D/C, the peg has in E/R.

What is worth thinking about is the amount of beetles vs. vipers one is going to face, and the viper is btw 1/2 on pegs

As for flak, the pegs do just a good job as the harps along dealers,clippers, shadows.

I´ll rephrase my initial rant against the Harpy - I think that the universe will end up with less De targeters than Fi targeters, especially in attack fleets. So even though the Harpy is fine as it is, stat wise I find the peg a better choice for the new player who needs to protect his 175 roids at tick 175.

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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

Harps are better for faking than pegs, just fyi.


If you are a selfish bint or lone player then do pegs, if you are an alliance player then do harps. Simple innit.
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Even lone players should go Harpies, because there won't be any De in their gal to flak for Pegs. And there will be plenty of Fi.
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

everyone just go xan , would be interesting round
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Unread 19 Aug 2011, 18:48   #59
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seems everyone is going xan from the misc page... i assume this is when appoco realises his error and says 'doh!'
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In my opinon either etd or ter should have had a ship that fired before the spectre :\
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Oh Isildurx, you silly goose.
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hmm?

edit: oh right, the broadsword, didnt notice that.
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In my opinon either etd or ter should have had a ship that fired before the spectre :\
broadsword has for Etd

well at the start Syren was T1 Bs T2 Cr but apocco thought that anti De was more important than anti Cr for Ter
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seems everyone is going xan from the misc page... i assume this is when appoco realises his error and says 'doh!'
5 ships with low init for his Fi/co fleet
4 ships for his Fr/De Fleet

his only weakness is Bs

omg xan`s war
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Unread 23 Aug 2011, 13:44   #65
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weakness is bs??? spectres rape terran bs ....
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

actually i would say we might approaching a worrying scenerio....

Its looking like were getting to the point where Xans attacking ability is dying out - due to the ease of covering them....

But on the same token Xans are quite hard to attack as they provide a nice flak base for defenders...


Does this mean we will end up with stalemate about tick 500?? with Xans as a majorly defensive force due to there now apparant attacking weaknesses making defensive coverage a lot easier for alliances due to Xans 'faking' ability...


Someone said that Eksero's alliance was pure Xan.... if this is true what does this mean for them????
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

I have no idea if what you're saying is correct. Assuming it is, isn't this what always happens with Zik? Why would it be a "worrying scenario" when the same happens with Xan?
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

But Xan is the best race !!!!1111`````oneoneone
that's why the whole universe went it.

A lot of players went it, forgetting that the best race to stop Xan is ... Xan. And with so many Xan fleets around, Xan defence is just so common. I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
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But Xan is the best race !!!!1111`````oneoneone
that's why the whole universe went it.

A lot of players went it, forgetting that the best race to stop Xan is ... Xan. And with so many Xan fleets around, Xan defence is just so common. I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
All this really means is teamups are needed to hit xans. The alliances that went heavy Xan are in trouble, but the ones that were more prudent and mixed in cath/etd/zik will do fine. Xan is a really strange race this round, I must admit.
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Xans will just have to do a lot of lolteams, send\resend etc.same as every round.
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It just means they dont know how to play the race if they are struggling already
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stats like this are crap for new players who dont have lol teams at thier disposal
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But Xan is the best race !!!!1111`````oneoneone
that's why the whole universe went it.

A lot of players went it, forgetting that the best race to stop Xan is ... Xan. And with so many Xan fleets around, Xan defence is just so common. I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
We got it, you Rickrolled the universe!!! Kudos.
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But Xan is the best race !!!!1111`````oneoneone
that's why the whole universe went it.

A lot of players went it, forgetting that the best race to stop Xan is ... Xan. And with so many Xan fleets around, Xan defence is just so common. I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
isnt it nice to find something good - when u have totally failed ?

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Attack oriented stats ftw every time!
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Wise words (though like all of that kind, not to be taken to extremes (hello round 16)).
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But Xan is the best race !!!!1111`````oneoneone
that's why the whole universe went it.

A lot of players went it, forgetting that the best race to stop Xan is ... Xan. And with so many Xan fleets around, Xan defence is just so common. I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
You failed with the stats in making pure Xan a viable strategy for an entire alliance to go, like you were warned when you were making them. Xan can def well vs. anything and that's reason enough, as they can always cross-escort and make lolwaves.
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Xan aren't really that good unless they have an attack partner with Vendor or Beetles.
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tbh at least theres alot more explosions and pew pew this round
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tbh at least theres alot more explosions and pew pew this round
Tbh that only seems to be bc people are oversleeping and crashing a lot.
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I'm not really all that sad to see that lots of players went the same race and are now finding problems because they didn't want to be original
I think holding people to a standard of originality in selecting one of five available races was a doomed venture from the start...
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Have a good design for the stats

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I told appoc prernd that xans were to good, would he listen? no.

But tbh with 45 xans t100 i think it speaks for itself, when only 32% of uni went xan - the only reason its not pure xan's t100 is due to ND and DLR going CR/BS rush - and it worked out for the first 400 ticks and then they died.

And the new salvage system is ****ed up, retarded that small planets steal 90% of salvage.

If a small planets def a larger planet(t20) the big planet cant defend (if you wanna keep value)
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

single-targetting next rnd plz
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Unread 4 Oct 2011, 15:47   #85
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

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single-targetting next rnd plz
thumbs up.. PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE do something to make it even a bit more interesting fs
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Re: Round 43 Stats Thread

I predict this is how it will go:

*people asking for single targetting*
*someone pointing out that you can have a bit of both: most ships with 1 target, some with multiple*
*full multi targetting stats*
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