Planetarion Forums - Matrix: Revolutions *spoilers*

JBOY · 7 Nov 2003, 15:02

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I WISH I WAS YAHWE

Vermillion · 7 Nov 2003, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Intrepid00

If the robots at 01 where going to be EMP proof to the nukes then to keep consistancy they shouldn't have been able to use EMP weapons in the Movie.

If you would like to quibble over logical fallacies in the machine world, how about: why have the machines lost the vast technological secret of gunpowder? How is it that an advanced machine civilisation is apparently armed only with hand-to-hand weapons and uses the machine parabole for 'human-wave' tactics? There seems to be no use of projectile weapons at all by the machines except for their big cannon-ships on the surface.

Even though the Humans use as their only two weapons a short-range one-shot EMP, ang big MGs. the machines are still using essentialyy 12th century tactics, rushing the guns and sacrificing enough of their numbers that they can use blunt trauma or stabbing weapons.

Why no intelligent weapons or tactics? Why not drill through the dome then fill the place with nerve gas, or something equally intelligent? Or at least, how about mounting SOME kind of weapon on their front line war machines?

Dont get me wrong, I didnt dislike the movie because of this, this is really a semantic issue, but I dislike movies where the internal logical structure of the world does not make much sense.

Leshy · 7 Nov 2003, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Ragnarak

When he taks over Neo everything is suddenly fixed again.

When he takes over Neo, the machines zap Neo's body, nuking Agent Smith in the process. A tad cheesy, but not inexplicable.

Edit: That's actually what I thought happened, although I read the theory on another forum that Smith & Neo combining causes them to cancel each other out (them being opposites), so that Neo dies in the real world, and Smith in the Matrix. Has a ring to it as well.

My Review
++ Ian Bliss acting Bane
+ Does a good job wrapping up the story
+ Pretty ace looking battle/racing scenes
+ Finishes with good old 'classic' mano-a-mano combat
+ No endless 'yap yap eat our philosophy' speeches
+ No pointless fighting scenes 'just because'
+ Monica Bellucci

- Trinity takes ages to die
- Oracle pops into and out of existence at will apparently
- Not the spectacular 'revolutionary' special effects promised
- Cheesy head of Machine Talking +2
- Not enough Monica Bellucci

Wouldn't go see it again, but definitely not disappointed in having seen it.

MrL_JaKiri · 7 Nov 2003, 18:17

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Originally Posted by JBOY

...

Whut?

Kurashima · 7 Nov 2003, 19:13

Good Film , Dodgy Ending , but very watchable.

TBH , it felt like watching the *******rior movie 2 years early, and the CGI for what Neo saw when he tapped into "The Source" was something from a Commodore 64, but Club Hell and everything Merovingian related is style-on-a-stick.

Didnt Morpheus turn out to be a bit shit in the end? ... He was everything at the start , and at the end , some half-assed warrior-philosopher who no longer believed in everything he once preached.

Dont you just wish at least a few members of the council had died , just for dramatic effect?

Didnt Niobe and her team die when their ship was attacked in Reloaded? (Im certain i saw them drop to the ground unconscious when the Powerplant was blown up)

Bearing in mind that Larry Wachowski has divorced his wife , moved a 34yr old blonde dominatrix into his house , started dressing in womens clothes and now wants to be called "Lana", was anyone surprised to see the first 10 minutes of Revolutions turn into a bondage festival?

Crackmonkey · 7 Nov 2003, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Kurashima

Didnt Niobe and her team die when their ship was attacked in Reloaded? (Im certain i saw them drop to the ground unconscious when the Powerplant was blown up)

That was the other team that went in, I forget who it was because they were not really introduced (go figure).

Leshy · 7 Nov 2003, 23:58

The Merovingian Party was shit.

There wasn't enough Persephone.

Deepflow · 8 Nov 2003, 00:18

persephone should have been getting buggered by a massive evil monster thing with a spiked ****... that would have been a good party.

at least thats what i was thinking watching it

Leshy · 8 Nov 2003, 03:07

You've watched either too much Irreversible or too much Se7en.

MrL_JaKiri · 8 Nov 2003, 03:11

Too much hentai.

(Which appropriately enough translates as 'pervert', if memory serves)

Leshy · 8 Nov 2003, 03:13

The only time I caught myself really thinking something during the movie was "STFU and die already." A cookie for whom figures during which scene that thought occurred to me.

MrL_JaKiri · 8 Nov 2003, 03:15

All of them.

Leshy · 8 Nov 2003, 03:16

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

All of them.

Not really.

I didn't want Persephone (<3) to shut up or die.

MrL_JaKiri · 8 Nov 2003, 03:21

Shut up maybe. (Not that it's a really vocal part)

Leshy · 8 Nov 2003, 03:33

I don't mind her talking, really.

Although I'll probably never get the Hollywood law that dictates the worse your injury is, the longer you live to talk, before you finally croak. A small knife in the chest is instant death, being sliced open everywhere gives you about 5 minutes, being pierced in several key areas gives you half an hour. WTF is up with that?

LHC · 8 Nov 2003, 10:26

The only bit about The Matrix films that was decent were the cool fight scenes within the Matrix, which there weren't any of in this film.

The 3 million hour long fight for Zion was shit.

Neo was hardly in this film. The best bit involving him was:
'I won't be able to go on'
'Why, what's wrong'
(he looks down, sees 3 huge spikes piercing here chest and stomach)
'Oh. no.'

They had the generic self-belief bit involving that stupid boy, which sucked.

p.s. I bet the people of Zion are ashamed to have been saved by a white man.

Phang · 8 Nov 2003, 10:54

'Jesus was a ******"

Censor evasion is bad.

W · 8 Nov 2003, 18:22

Just saw it. Action was ok, but the fight between Neo and Smith didn't have enough gravity (literally). And those sentinels sure must be powered by C64's, not much intelligent behaviour there. Acting was ok except for the Hammer captain and the fraud oracle. Too little Morpheus. Too much Trinity. The philosophy/religion was short and sweet, and matched mine pretty spot on, so no complaints there.

Oh and it's not science fiction. If anything, it's fantasy. None of the "science" was at all credible or consistent. But overall a good movie (and by "good" I do not refer to any kind of objectively measureable skill, MrL_JaKiri) which I'm likely to watch again.

Deepflow · 8 Nov 2003, 18:42

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Originally Posted by LHC

p.s. I bet the people of Zion are ashamed to have been saved by a white man.

made me laugh out loud

\o/

Tomkat · 8 Nov 2003, 19:30

Noone has pointed out the most unrealistic bit of the film, being that Naobe (I don't know how you spell the name..) was apparently the best pilot and the only one capable of flying the ship.

WHEN SHE IS A WOMAN, THAT IS, OF THE FEMALE GENDER.

Woman being the best at flying big ship. That's so lol.

Weeks · 9 Nov 2003, 02:33

I like it.
Liked the visuals and the plot.
The plot does tie things up, you just have to think about it quite a bit.
And yes, it does leave a few things unsolved maybe. But then it was never going to tie up EVERYTHING due to the nature of the concepts it dealt with.

MrL_JaKiri · 9 Nov 2003, 11:57

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MrL is actually the most crap person on the Internet.

No more lapdances for you.

Flayer · 9 Nov 2003, 16:52

great movie, a lot more balanced than reloaded. I would have liked a bit more philosophy though, and a more open end would have been cool too (so you can actually _think_ about it afterwards). The happy end was shit, if I want to see happy happy joy joy endings I'll buy a ticket for daddy's day care

Potatouk · 9 Nov 2003, 20:04

stop whining guys, i and my m8s enjoyed it, the action was sweet with gr8 visuals.

ok so the end wasnt as good as i'd have liked but it was suitably 'mysterious'

overall, well recommended and a lot better than reloaded.

Androme · 9 Nov 2003, 21:00

http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthr...threadid=18223

Ninja_spammer · 10 Nov 2003, 15:11

you are all f*cking idiots, its a f*cking film, get over it.

Oh and CT your a f*cking gimp.

Bloomers III · 12 Nov 2003, 18:47

moan moan moan, all i hear.

i think one of the reasons the two sequals have had bad reviews is because they had so much to live up to following on from the first film, and they didn't live up to it. but i don't think they're bad.

matrix reloaded was excellent, it did become too philosophical, but i really did like the way it was directed and the fight scenes are absolutely amazing, especially the car chase.

as for revolutions i don't think it was as good as Reloaded or the matrix. the neo vs smith fight was a bit disappointing to be honest, but by no means poor. the fight for zion was good, but far too long. there weren't as many fight scenes, and the ones it had were poor in comparison to its predecessors. etc. etc. they did wrap up the holes in the plot, but not very well etc. etc.

i loved The Matrix and really liked Matrix Reloaded. I think i only "like" Revolutions, it does not strike me as much better than a typical action/sci-fi film, whereas the other two are by a long way.

MrL is a big gay bear and anybody who disagress with me is also a bit gay but probably only in a "i wouldn't mind" kind of way.

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Nov 2003, 18:51

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Originally Posted by Bloomers III

there weren't as many fight scenes

The first only really had 5 or so.

Did you know there's only 9 lightsaber fights in the Star Wars trilogy?

Bloomers III · 12 Nov 2003, 19:41

5 good length ones. and don't bring the star wars trilogy into this

I am Idler · 13 Nov 2003, 07:54

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

For instance, most people agree that Keanu Reeves is a 'tad' wooden.

what do you base that fact on then?

Radical Edward · 13 Nov 2003, 08:27

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The first only really had 5 or so.

Did you know there's only 9 lightsaber fights in the Star Wars trilogy?

the only lightsaber fight worth a mention is maul vs kenobi and skywalker.

Radical Edward · 13 Nov 2003, 08:29

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Originally Posted by I am Idler

what do you base that fact on then?

the opinions of most people. mind you, most of the characters with perhaps the exception of Smith and Cypher seemed rather mecahnical in the first one. This is why I rather liked the theory that the whole matrix-zion thing was just an elaborate computer program trying to find out about itself.

MrL_JaKiri · 13 Nov 2003, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Radical Edward

the only lightsaber fight worth a mention is maul vs kenobi and skywalker.

Indeed, although the Leia vs Palpatine wrestling competition is equally good.

MrL_JaKiri · 13 Nov 2003, 14:58

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Originally Posted by I am Idler

what do you base that fact on then?

He's an inanimate carbon based trunky thing.

-=Zyth=- · 13 Nov 2003, 23:05

I'm not sure if anybody has made this connection before about the matrix films but....

DARK CITY
DARK CITY
DARK CITY

They even used the set for Dark City on the first film, and ffs the sun rising at then end and the fight in the air... The best kind of compliment.

djbass · 16 Nov 2003, 16:15

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Originally Posted by -=Zyth=-

I'm not sure if anybody has made this connection before about the matrix films but.... DARK CITY

It did cross my mind momentarily when the first Matrix came out, but aside from a few visual & stylistic simularities they are definately radically different films.

I had a thought after re-watching a few scenes recently regarding the EMP issue. I do not know how EMP radiation effects electronics on the phyiscal level whether damage is always permanant or it's possible to only have temporary effects. It would seem that in Revolutions after they set off the EMP burst it stops all machines in the area, however afterwards when the sentinals come back you see a few of them jump-start the digging machine again. Maybe during the war when they nuked the machines they were effected but had failsafes that helped to bring them back online again, also I recall that the machines they nuked were primarily of the large variety (like size of a couple football fields) which are probably better shielded than a sentinal would be.

Something else which I had quite forgotten about also came to mind. Many people have said they felt this wasn't the end that they expect another film to come out. I do not think they will release another film, there's just no need to and it'd be out of place schedule wise. However they are right about it not being the end as The Matrix Online will be out next year and promises to continue where Revolutions left off.

=[DJ Bass]=

Cmdr_Cyrax · 17 Nov 2003, 00:41

MY EYES HAVEN'T FORGIVEN ME FOR SEEING THIS
maybe they never will

I was disapointed by reloaded even more so with revolutions. Matrix should have been a one off. There wasn't really anything added by the other two except confusion*.

If you love brainless special effects with poor direction, plot and dialogue this is the film for you. Anyone who says you need to 'get it' to appreciate the film is a moron as there is very little to 'get'. I don't think even the Wankchowskis even know what they were trying to say in this film.

The perfect review i've seen for this is: Two hours of Dragonball Z, without the positive qualities'.

*May also apply to animatrix

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 09:40

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Originally Posted by djbass

However they are right about it not being the end as The Matrix Online will be out next year and promises to continue where Revolutions left off.

The Matrix Online sounds like the worst thing ever.

Turn based fights that make it more exciting!

Tbh, it sounds like The Sims Online with fighting.

djbass · 17 Nov 2003, 11:42

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The Matrix Online sounds like the worst thing ever.

Turn based fights that make it more exciting!

Tbh, it sounds like The Sims Online with fighting.

I'd more put it in the catergory of everquest or planetside.

=[DJ Bass]=

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 11:45

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Originally Posted by djbass

I'd more put it in the catergory of everquest or planetside.

=[DJ Bass]=

Planetside actually makes you react to something, rather than just sit there and watch it doing things.

Like The Sims.

djbass · 17 Nov 2003, 12:00

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Planetside actually makes you react to something, rather than just sit there and watch it doing things.

Like The Sims.

On what do you base that information, matrix online will feature missions and allows direct control over your character to engage in fighting etc

=[DJ Bass]=

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 12:03

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Originally Posted by djbass

On what do you base that information

The official site of the game.

djbass · 17 Nov 2003, 13:10

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The official site of the game.

It sounds pretty much like a variation of the combat system for Enter The Matrix which worked quite well. Nothing at all like what you are trying to claim. If you haven't already also go find the E3 trailer which provides a much better view of how things will work.

=[DJ Bass]=

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 13:42

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Originally Posted by djbass

It sounds pretty much like a variation of the combat system for Enter The Matrix which worked quite well. Nothing at all like what you are trying to claim. If you haven't already also go find the E3 trailer which provides a much better view of how things will work.

=[DJ Bass]=

Enter the Matrix was rubbish.

And 'changing target and priorities' every 2 or 3 seconds doesn't sound like 'direct control over your character' to me.

djbass · 17 Nov 2003, 16:24

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Enter the Matrix was rubbish.

And 'changing target and priorities' every 2 or 3 seconds doesn't sound like 'direct control over your character' to me.

It doesn't sound like the sims either. I can understand the decision, it would be impractical to try and implement complex moves with the clunky controls of a typical FPS. This way you tell it what you want to hit and what style then it takes care of the implementation. Keeping in mind all this is done in realtime and it works a little like a game of paper-scissors-rock.

=[DJ Bass]=

Enter The Matrix rocked btw

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 16:31

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Originally Posted by djbass

Enter The Matrix rocked btw

As someone who has played Max Payne with Kung Fu Mod 3.0,

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha.

And I don't WANT to play Rock*, Paper, Scissors online.

*Good old rock, nothing beats rock**.

**But you forgot one thing. Rock crushes scissors. But... paper covers rock, and scissors cut paper.

Kif, we have a conundrum.

Deepflow · 17 Nov 2003, 16:45

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

As someone who has played Max Payne with Kung Fu Mod 3.0,

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha.

go is better.

enter the matrix did keep my 9 year old brother amused for a WHOLE DAY though... so it cant be that bad.

MrL_JaKiri · 17 Nov 2003, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Deepflow

go is better.

Go isn't a third person kung fu/bullet time shootery thing.

Deepflow · 17 Nov 2003, 16:59

if it was... it would still be better.

djbass · 17 Nov 2003, 23:30

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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

As someone who has played Max Payne with Kung Fu Mod 3.0

I figured at some point you were going to drag that out, Kung Fu Mod when it first came out was OK but Enter The Matrix was way better. Kung Fu Mod doesn't flow very well, often I found my character was too busy flying past the enemy I was supposed to be attacking or the moves were poorly syncronised. Also Max Payne style bullet time sucks.. I only ever used it when I was desperate, and even then I was still reluctant to.

=[DJ Bass]=