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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Maybe it's a bit early to say this but please don't make xan fico too powerful appoco!
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21 May 2010, 19:09
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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since when was it powerful??? its awful in beta
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21 May 2010, 19:11
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Doesn't mean you're qualified. There's been more unqualified people bumbling around with these things than qualified people, to be quite honest.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Isn't the EMP eff. way too low? You got kill ships with more or less the same eff. and steal ships with higher eff. To me that seems a bit odd.
I did not play the last single targeting, so my comment might be due to lack of experience with the setup. Maybe single targeting asks for less EMP power...
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22 May 2010, 14:05
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Isn't the EMP eff. way too low? You got kill ships with more or less the same eff. and steal ships with higher eff. To me that seems a bit odd.
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Some ships (Scarab and Cat Cr) seem a bit weak, but I don't see any steal ships that have a higher efficiency. (not sure if anything's been changed between our posts though)
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
thief vs cutlass same init stealing eachother should be changed. I'd say change the cutlass to init 21. Same goes for rogue vs pirate
I also feel that there are way too many attack-fleet ships firing at eachother at same init, banshee vs pegasus, drake vs wyvern, syren vs nightmare (okay , syren is technically not an attackfleet ship but could very well be used as such, and then also the ghost fires at init 6 vs ter bs)
i am always in favor of basics of the types of ships in a way that EMP has advantage vs cloak, cloac has init advantage vs conventional, conventional advantage against EMP and zik stealships that feed its own podclasses being ships that are not actually the same class as the podclass, and as basic a somewhat equal armour/damage where armour is slightly under conventional's armour.
This set of stats seem to go ignore the very reason of the existence of, for example, etd. Etd should be a healthy mix of EMP , cloack and conventional, where the one cloacked ship should at least feed its own podclass.
Now, etds can have a 3rd podclass, but why? Their attackfleets should be equally playable as any other races 2 podclasses, except ofc for the zik.
Voyager stealing FI means etds will be wanting to steal xan FI. But , they have nothing to back that xan fi fleet up in any good way. It would make more senses if the voyager could steal FR or even CO (being able to steal cath CO to team with their avenger is a nice option).
I am looking forward to the first tweaks I must admit that i havent looked thoroughly into each change i propose in terms of how it would affect the whole stats, so feel free to point out any errors
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
I think those are some valid points. I also think 'same-init combat' is a bit shit as it limits the number of targets for both races.
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23 May 2010, 14:13
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
I will repeat myself
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ETD got 8 ships instead of 9, add one more steal ship please.
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23 May 2010, 14:54
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Not a lot of discussion here
Everyone happy with the stats?
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24 May 2010, 14:58
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Not a lot of discussion here
Everyone happy with the stats?
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
I'd recommend changing Banshee back to init 5, other than that I think all races are fairly balanced and have something going for them.
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24 May 2010, 18:00
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Yeah that is my overall impression too. I'm not sure about the banshee init, I think xans can do quite well even with the banshee having init 6 thanks to both their anti cr and anti bs being FR class.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Well currently xan is the second most picked race (and etd is yet again on a truly woeful 9%). As such basing the stats off a fully balanced universe would probably not be a good idea.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Don't know why etd is so low, they look pretty okay to me.
Would be fun if they made the anti cr ship a stealer though, maybe that would increase their numbers!
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Originally Posted by cbk100
Isn't the EMP eff. way too low? You got kill ships with more or less the same eff. and steal ships with higher eff. To me that seems a bit odd.
I did not play the last single targeting, so my comment might be due to lack of experience with the setup. Maybe single targeting asks for less EMP power...
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24 May 2010, 19:08
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Etd looks good indeed, and though the recent change from Centaur to Defender was a well needed one, stats in the real game haven't been updated yet.
Same goes for Banshee, I expect a few will Xans change race after stats are updated.
Oh, and apparently the Marauder now killing Chims first is bad:
[18:07:33] <Williams> there was no other decent way to play zik
[18:07:37] <Williams> now it just sucks
I strongly disagree with that, I'd much rather have the Marauder kill first than steal De later. Anyone else that hates the change, though?
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
looking at the stats, I wonder why T2 and T3 are missing. All ships are with T1 only.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
This is a single-targetting round.
I have to say that I think appoco has done a good job on the stats. Personally I have no idea what race to go, guess that is a good thing.
I'm kind of curious as to why there are so many caths though. I would guess that this was because Cath was so successful for gaining xp in the last single-targetting round, however, I don't really see them being as successfull this round as they were 2 rounds ago.
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25 May 2010, 15:45
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Fully in agreement with you Isil, the only race I'm definitely NOT going is Cath, because I intend to play for value (which is very hard to do in Single Targeting). I still toy with strategies for all other races.
I think Cath is so popular due to their offensive strength, and not having to worry about def so much (since you'll get roided anyway!). Attacking is much less stressful than defending/defwhoring, so that makes sense for a summer round.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
i'm curious how many cat support/scan planets we will see with mass spider/widow personally.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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i'm curious how many cat support/scan planets we will see with mass spider/widow personally.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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This is a single-targetting round.
I have to say that I think appoco has done a good job on the stats. Personally I have no idea what race to go, guess that is a good thing.
I'm kind of curious as to why there are so many caths though. I would guess that this was because Cath was so successful for gaining xp in the last single-targetting round, however, I don't really see them being as successfull this round as they were 2 rounds ago.
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Are you struggling to decide what race to go, due to all the races looking awesome? or due to them all looking extremly crap?
There's 2 ways to balance stats, make every race awesome or make every race weak. When i look at these stats.. Im not trying to choose between 5 races or figure out which is the best.. im trying to find out which is the least ****.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Fully in agreement with you Isil, the only race I'm definitely NOT going is Cath, because I intend to play for value (which is very hard to do in Single Targeting). I still toy with strategies for all other races.
I think Cath is so popular due to their offensive strength, and not having to worry about def so much (since you'll get roided anyway!). Attacking is much less stressful than defending/defwhoring, so that makes sense for a summer round.
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In fairness it's also because every scanner, nobody dist whores anymore good job pateam, and almost every cov-op planet goes cath. And with only 600 sign-ups so far that's a fairly high proportion probably.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Caths are nowhere near as strong as they were in the previous ST. last time, pure beetle spam meant no alliance could efficiently defend against you and the only real good defence ship was Terran FR/DE and no-one went that way or each active galaxy only had 1 terran.
Terrans, Xans and Zik's have anti cath-co alliance defence ships, meaning you'll need to build Spiders and Beetles or else terrans can freely defend against you but then with that.. you've got to split your attacking fleet into both Fi/Co which means Terrans, Xans, Ziks, Caths ETD's can defend against you in alliance speeds.
I think Cath's spamming one ship will be the ultimate fail this round.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Despite the fact that cath wasn't that strong last ST round, only 11 finished t100, and the actual anti-cath fi ship was the barghest, terrans only had harpies, I'd agree. However cath and xan fi/co mix well this time, which was something I deliberately tried to avoid when I did the stats. That said fr and cr teamups both look equally as viable as the fi/co one, with the added benefit of being able to pick which class you want to damage compensating fairly adequately for the lower eta in my opinion.
I reckon the stats look pretty good. Every fleet bar zik de can hit 2 or more races. Everything is improved by teaming up. The weakest offensive race is terran which is also the strongest defensively. On the evidence of last round ziks are the strongest race once they get going in single-targeting, with a huge advantage due to the added potential in value gain stealing and faking, and don't look overpowered as, if anything, they seem a little weak. Etd look interesting and have almost as much potential for faking as zik (pretty much every etd is going to cap xan fi pods this round).
I actually have no idea what the difference between every race looks crap and every race looks good unless nobody can actually roid anything. In this stats set that's not true. So...
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Caths are nowhere near as strong as they were in the previous ST. last time, pure beetle spam meant no alliance could efficiently defend against you and the only real good defence ship was Terran FR/DE and no-one went that way or each active galaxy only had 1 terran.
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26 May 2010, 01:20
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Don't think many will build DE fleets, all the rest should be fair game.
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26 May 2010, 07:04
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
this round should be called beware the phoenix!! Its gonna cause havoc for cath co fleets all round!!
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Terrans, Xans and Zik's have anti cath-co alliance defence ships, meaning you'll need to build Spiders and Beetles or else terrans can freely defend against you but then with that.. you've got to split your attacking fleet into both Fi/Co which means Terrans, Xans, Ziks, Caths ETD's can defend against you in alliance speeds.
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Well it is a good point however
Ter (harpy) and Etd (Voyager) Fi can still be used as freezer flak v cath co
with assistance from Fi class anti Co like Cutlass and Vsh
For example
http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=5t1xzyymrb6ibes
If those Ter and Etd ships werent present in the defense it would be a 0 loss landing for the attacker.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
DE might not be the best fleet for attacking, but I think Terrans and Ziks can be well off with building some de(rather than co and fi respectively) and then dump the remaining resources into their cr\bs attackfleets. This is because I expect both xans and caths to have to use most of their res on anti fi and co ships and thus having a DE fleet will make you a very unenviable target.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
will we see cathaar co have to send along spiders all round ?
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
yes.... unless they team with xan
That being said, I can easily envisage a situation later on in the round where caths who are on the hunt for xp don't send along fi and just whore co. Then they would obviously send\resend until there is no nix def on jgp.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Well it is a good point however
Ter (harpy) and Etd (Voyager) Fi can still be used as freezer flak v cath co
with assistance from Fi class anti Co like Cutlass and Vsh
For example
http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=5t1xzyymrb6ibes
If those Ter and Etd ships werent present in the defense it would be a 0 loss landing for the attacker.
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http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=1z8w12jt285m8ae
Is what i meant, meaning that caths will have to send Fi along with there Co attacking fleet to avoid that situation and splitting your fleet into Fi/Co means that there are more options to defend against you.
While yes, any Fi can be used as flak.. Alliances wont tend to want to use flak when they could just send some phoenix's and get a free kill/recall from one small fleet (if the cath just sends co). If the cath sends Fi as well, (without loading up the stats) then every race now has a defenceship which can meet the alliance defence times.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Don't think many will build DE fleets, all the rest should be fair game.
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That's actually worth thinking about it a bit. There are only 4 ships that really **** up de, the wyvern, the marauder, the avenger and the vendor. The first two can only ingal def, and are used in attack fleets anyways. The last two can only be built by one race, which is also the most under-represented race in the universe. Not as bad as it first appears.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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That's actually worth thinking about it a bit. There are only 4 ships that really **** up de, the wyvern, the marauder, the avenger and the vendor. The first two can only ingal def, and are used in attack fleets anyways. [b]The last two can only be built by one race[/b=, which is also the most under-represented race in the universe. Not as bad as it first appears.
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Cath Co scarab, Xan Fi Banshee, Zik Fi Corsair, ETD Co Avenger can all defend against DE and have a -1 eta advantage. Avenger and Banshee are also cloaked, which could be annoying
I do like the look of Terran DE and Zik DE though. If i liked the Zik playstyle, i'd probably be Zik this round.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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That's actually worth thinking about it a bit. There are only 4 ships that really **** up de, the wyvern, the marauder, the avenger and the vendor. The first two can only ingal def, and are used in attack fleets anyways. The last two can only be built by one race, which is also the most under-represented race in the universe. Not as bad as it first appears.
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Well they are great to hit xan with, but i can't see them working well against any other race. Zik and ter will go heavy on wyvern and marauder, etd aren't a great choice either.
Scarab combined with banshee or avenger should stop them to.
But stats aren't bad, you can go anyway you want with these.
edit: just noticed i said the same as light
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Cath Co scarab, Xan Fi Banshee, Zik Fi Corsair, ETD Co Avenger can all defend against DE and have a -1 eta advantage. Avenger and Banshee are also cloaked, which could be annoying
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Yeah but you could talk about that for everyone. Hence why I used the words really **** up. Like phoenixes really **** up cath co, spectres **** up cr etc.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
terran pegs will have fun with banshees really so with corsair
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
... single targetting crap.. the more I look at those stats there more I'm sure it's going to be lottery and screw skills as your required to avoid incomings like plague as your own are always in dis-advantage in comparison to attackers values in team ups.
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
you killed the discussion
cathaarghhh dropped to 28%
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27 May 2010, 13:55
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
Down to 27% now and etd up to 12%!
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27 May 2010, 16:10
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
i switched to xan, and now everyone going etd bs ?
i hate my life
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27 May 2010, 17:16
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
maybe they are going frig
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27 May 2010, 20:32
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
omg! fr/de forts everywhere!! aaaaahhhh!!! /panic /rage /moan
if only wishmaster and light would check the strategy forum we might be in trouble
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27 May 2010, 22:38
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Originally Posted by HeimdallR
maybe they are going frig
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Etd Fr can roid Xan just as easily!
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28 May 2010, 01:13
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
in terms of diversity the etd are a real strong race. Attackwise they are the race 'others will want in their teamup' as cath doesnt have FR nor DE pods so the etd's FR EMP ships are very valuable.
Same as with the BS, it has cloacked tycoons! Any cr or bs attacker will want those in teamup, and the Etd bs is the best EMP resistant fleet too.
I feel like ppl found out too late that Etd is so good, as its still 12% that went etd. as Etd BS ppl will be vulnerable to FI and CO (as you wont be building so many merchants which are useless for ur allian) but thats only 2 attackfleets you have to worry about, where the cath does not kill you anyway. Mass voyagers and be lucky to steal some spiders or xan FI and the anti FI/CO will get better.
Then, avengers will ace vs DE, and the change to Defenders being CR emp ship has made the picture complete in my opinion.
Yes, some Fi/Co fleets will get through on ETDs, but I cannot imagine that many ppl being fond of the xan FI or Cath CO.
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28 May 2010, 02:08
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
i would agree but 25% of the uni have gone Cath and you'd assume 20% of them will go co atleast
Etd will get roided to hell cos of this reason
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28 May 2010, 07:54
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
this round should be called beware the phoenix!!
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Offtopic but the round of the phoenix was rnd4 iirc.
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28 May 2010, 08:52
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Re: Round 37 shipsstats discussion thread
etd is weak cheese but if the fi/co fleets can only hit etd's.. it's going to be slim pickings for people. Especially when all fr/de players will hit fi/co players as primary.. god help the alliance who goes for fi/co when they have to attack with their anti-fr/de ships aswell..
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