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Unread 16 Apr 2011, 10:43   #1
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Message from Commanders for Def Page

As the title says!

Information like what to build for defence, or whom not to defend could be dropped there.

Easy to implement and i am sure not too much additional load for the page (i hope)

Edit: I am talking about the Alliance Defence Page
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Unread 16 Apr 2011, 11:20   #2
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Re: Message from Commanders for Def Page

We also need a field to tell your alliance from whom to expect incs tonight, a field to detail which HCs will be around and when, some place to put information about synchronized exiling, and some way to tell to the whole alliance what I had for lunch yesterday.

Or, rather than adding ****ing useless shit to PA, you could just send an alliance mail.
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Unread 16 Apr 2011, 12:49   #3
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I do not think that this is really needed. You could just send an alliance mail!
Yeah but then i am located on the defence page and have to open another window to find the mail where the HC stated 745 ticks ago who is on the no defence list...

instead of having it posted on the same page!
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Unread 17 Apr 2011, 02:57   #4
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Re: Message from Commanders for Def Page

So have a member list action with checkboxes next to each and if you check it off then any incoming messages get parsed into another color text and there is no action available for setting status or updating note or bcalc link. It would just be flagged uncovered automatically, etc.? On second thought, how about you just kick the members you don't give a crap about that then you won't have to worry about only counting your top 50... oh right, they can still send defense, they just don't expect to get it themselves.

And you wonder why no new comers to this game can bother taking it seriously? You've systematically made a mockery out of it over the years.
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Unread 17 Apr 2011, 13:19   #5
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So have a member list action with checkboxes next to each and if you check it off then any incoming messages get parsed into another color text and there is no action available for setting status or updating note or bcalc link. It would just be flagged uncovered automatically, etc.? On second thought, how about you just kick the members you don't give a crap about that then you won't have to worry about only counting your top 50... oh right, they can still send defense, they just don't expect to get it themselves.

And you wonder why no new comers to this game can bother taking it seriously? You've systematically made a mockery out of it over the years.
Yeah those checkboxes would ofc be ace (and tbh they should be there since ages) but however, that requires looking deep into the code.
Adding just a motd doesnt.

i am not sure about you "critics" though. I personally think there is a dozen of other reasons why newcomers dont "get virused by PA".

After all this is a military game, and an alliance (which isnt able to cover everyone) should be able to decide whom to cover and whom to sacrifice.

If the US Military would face an Invasion with 3 of their cities beeing attacked, while only having the capacity to fully safe 2 of them. Donīt you think they would decide Pro Washington and New York and contra Savannah ?
I think they would...
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Re: Message from Commanders for Def Page

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Yeah but then i am located on the defence page and have to open another window to find the mail where the HC stated 745 ticks ago who is on the no defence list...

instead of having it posted on the same page!
if u dont have the iq to remember a couple of ships to build, then ur a lost cause as far as planetarion goes, so who cares...
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Re: Message from Commanders for Def Page

I wish people would stop comparing games to wars.
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Unread 18 Apr 2011, 15:03   #8
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Yeah, let's not compare games to wars, that concept is ridiculous and that's why combat simulation games don't exist.


Also most of these features aren't really that difficult to code, text based game and all :P
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Unread 18 Apr 2011, 15:24   #9
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Yeah, let's not compare games to wars, that concept is ridiculous and that's why combat simulation games don't exist.


Also most of these features aren't really that difficult to code, text based game and all :P
The point is, this is not a military simulation, its a military game. Its like comparing Starfox to Microsoft Simulator X, then deciding starfox needs all that information and dials.

The other thing is, while it might not be difficult to code.. Is it worth cluttering up more space with text and text boxes for a feature which will be mainly ignored by alliance members and most HC's wont use it (or they'll input something at the start of the round which will never be updated or changed).
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The point is, this is not a military simulation, its a military game. Its like comparing Starfox to Microsoft Simulator X, then deciding starfox needs all that information and dials.

The other thing is, while it might not be difficult to code.. Is it worth cluttering up more space with text and text boxes for a feature which will be mainly ignored by alliance members and most HC's wont use it (or they'll input something at the start of the round which will never be updated or changed).
Your first point is as silly as Mzyxptlk's, a feature should be chosen based on what's useful to the game, to make the game play better. I can tell you right now game developers don't worry about crossing into other genres, that's what most modern games have to do to stay original (those that are).

To your 2nd point, I didn't comment upon this feature specifically did I? I just said "most of these features" I was in fact referring to the suggestions board, maybe I could have made that clearer. My point was they aren't hard to implement, and in reply to "that requires looking deep into the code". In addition, your point for dismissal is idiotic, a decent developer doesn't just dismiss because of "clutter" they assess the UI and seek to make improvements, something that's very easy to do in a browser game.

I've made no opinion on these suggestions just simply stating, firstly it's stupid to dismiss an analogy between a game and war, in a combat game. Secondly, the features suggested here (and in the rest of this board) are not too difficult to implement it's more a case of PA team finding the time. Finally, comparing StarCraft to MSX is actually far more daft than what M0RPH3US said. His analogy made sense and was relevant to his point.

Seems to me like PA forums are full of quite a few bitter people now. Ha. Why don't you just say you'd rather not have the feature than make up a load of mindless BS.
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The other thing is, while it might not be difficult to code.. Is it worth cluttering up more space with text and text boxes for a feature which will be mainly ignored (...)
This is actually the thing that worries me most about suggestions like this and why you'll rarely see me endorse them wholeheartedly.

Now it must be said in advance that I'm not an interface design guy, so I'm very wary of objecting to specific user interface suggestions. However, cluttering up your UI is almost always a bad idea, because they make it hard to understand what's going on, make finding the information you want a painful ordeal and encourage first-time users to just give up and do something else. In a world in which one too many input fields on your sign up form can significantly reduce your conversion rate, I don't think that can be emphasized enough.

Even if each individual addition doesn't make much of a difference, years of ignorance in the UI department (by which I mean it hasn't existed) and countless changes in that same time has led us to a UI which I can only assume causes designers to have nightmares.
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Re: Message from Commanders for Def Page

This is pretty topical.
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