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hAl · 4 Feb 2003, 15:12

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Quote from CH:
<Prince> [F]Dr_Zaius asked: Will there be a re-shuffle this round and if so could small private gals be shuffled with others at some point?
<Spinner> I dont THINK there will be a reshuffle
<Spinner> And I hope we dont have to do merging of gals eityher, so make sure you get them filled

This is bad, real bad. This sound like they are going for the straightforward filling of gals one by one. Cluster for cluster. All other methods would require a shuffle afterwards. Straightforward filling is horrible.

Firstly you can recognize random gals as they fill be filled upto 10 straight away.

Secondly you can try to create several people in a random gal by signing up (or activating accounts even) at same time or try to create sevral private gals in same clusters by signingup/activating accounts at same time.

Thirdly this will allow for cluster politics well before the start of the round which is real bad for the lower clusters as they will be the last tobe created. In fact you might create several private gals (1 player only) and look around your clusters to see which one your alliance controls and then fill that one up and leave the other gals filled with only one player (make it a scan planet) to lower the quality of those clusters.

No shuffle might well mean the death of this round before it starts. I would love to hear from creators how they are going to manage to make this round start without the problems I just indicated without doing a shuffle after signups.

My personal preference would be to have a shuffle at ticks36 or later. Tick 70 shuffle would really be great fun !!!

hAl

Noob · 4 Feb 2003, 15:14

agreed

Neferti · 4 Feb 2003, 15:28

yes, there should be a shuffle (preferably BEFORE the round starts)

don't these guys learn from their mistakes... they only put the shuffle in cos of the problems filling one-by-one caused..!

Scouse · 4 Feb 2003, 15:51

You're assuming the creators care about round 9.

However, I also agree.

Cochese · 4 Feb 2003, 17:08

It seems rather pointless not to have a shuffle.

Without a shuffle, we will not only have private galaxies in round 9, but private clusters as well

Scaggydo · 4 Feb 2003, 18:20

they are tryin to unrandomize randomisation.. or something

r72dk · 4 Feb 2003, 18:47

not only they dont give out news abuot the round... but no shuffle ?!?!?!?

can someone quote cochese when talking to PA team please ?

4 Feb 2003, 18:57

This is Spinner we're talking about here..

(Lo Spinnar, fs)

Cochese · 4 Feb 2003, 19:18

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Originally posted by ÐiSCoRPoRaTioN
This is Spinner we're talking about here..

(Lo Spinnar, fs)

He's been more reasonable than ever in my recent dealings with him, which is not only surprising, but curious in that he would make a mistake of this magnitude...

4 Feb 2003, 19:20

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Originally posted by Cochese
He's been more reasonable than ever in my recent dealings with him, which is not only surprising, but curious in that he would make a mistake of this magnitude...

I haven't spoken to him recently

Perhaps they don't want to put in the effort. I can understand that.
Player-pressure will most likeley force a shuffle, though

Scouse · 4 Feb 2003, 19:35

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Originally posted by ÐiSCoRPoRaTioN
IPerhaps they don't want to put in the effort. I can understand that.

When will they realise that they are running a business and can't just 'not put the effort it'? People are paying for this, not putting in effort is simply a disgrace.

If they don't shuffle it will be by pure laziness, they can't blame it on any tech problems or give any other crap reasons.

Somehow they keep getting worse, although I don't quite see how that is possible.

And making people appear randomly all over the place to begin with isn't good enough either since they don't know how many people will sign up and people will create lots of gals and pick the best. A shuffle is essential.

SpazMonster · 4 Feb 2003, 19:58

I'm suprised this hasn't been addressed in the code by now. Every round has had a shuffle and every round it has been a big deal to undertake. Instead of right off assigning coords at signup they should have just assigned user IDs and group IDs and then assigned coords at random at a later time..

4 Feb 2003, 20:02

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Originally posted by Scouse
When will they realise that they are running a business and can't just 'not put the effort it'? People are paying for this, not putting in effort is simply a disgrace.

If they don't shuffle it will be by pure laziness, they can't blame it on any tech problems or give any other crap reasons.

Somehow they keep getting worse, although I don't quite see how that is possible.

And making people appear randomly all over the place to begin with isn't good enough either since they don't know how many people will sign up and people will create lots of gals and pick the best. A shuffle is essential.

This round is something to keep us busy. If they didn't need the cash, it wouldn't have taken place.

Now, you'll know all the factorsbeforehand (I assume). This means you can make a choice about playing or not playing.

isildurx · 4 Feb 2003, 20:24

we clearly NEED a shuffle

dont want the round destroyed be4 it starts

RexDrax · 4 Feb 2003, 20:41

Gees, just read teh CH logs and no shuffle is bad. They might as well let us make private clusters and parallels, or even better just let us all see who has the most clusters under their control and declare them the winner.

No shuffle is not a possibility!!!

Tactitus · 4 Feb 2003, 21:11

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Originally posted by SpazMonster
I'm suprised this hasn't been addressed in the code by now. Every round has had a shuffle and every round it has been a big deal to undertake. Instead of right off assigning coords at signup they should have just assigned user IDs and group IDs and then assigned coords at random at a later time..

That would require some perspective. The creators always seem to try to low-ball the need for a shuffle: 'I don't think we'll need a shuffle this time...', 'If we need a shuffle...', etc and then cave-in when the complaints reach a crescendo.

I don't know why they don't learn from their mistakes. I swear--it's almost as if they enjoyed making them. :/

Tactitus · 4 Feb 2003, 21:13

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Originally posted by <ETH>iSCoRPoRaTioN
Now, you'll know all the factorsbeforehand (I assume).

If we do, it'll be a first. :/

4 Feb 2003, 21:31

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Originally posted by Tactitus
If we do, it'll be a first. :/

endless optimism is a habit hard to get rid of =\

Lyam · 4 Feb 2003, 21:39

fs shuffle or the bunny gets it

Prince · 4 Feb 2003, 21:51

I had a quick word with fudge,
see http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...hreadid=158420
I'll talk to Spinner when he gets online.

Sn0w · 4 Feb 2003, 22:43

I assumed from the CH logs that what he was saying when he said no reshuffle was about like r8 planet shuffle ... since everyone knows galaxy shuffle is a every round thing he wouldnt have been so silly as to change it when its obviously needed.

hAl · 5 Feb 2003, 01:28

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Originally posted by RexDrax
Gees, just read teh CH logs and no shuffle is bad.

Am I the only one who saw this ??? Weren't there actual players present at the CH anymore ??? This was actually the only bit of info that was contained in those CH logs.

hAl

hAl · 5 Feb 2003, 01:30

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Originally posted by Sn0w
I assumed from the CH logs that what he was saying when he said no reshuffle was about like r8 planet shuffle ... since everyone knows galaxy shuffle is a every round thing he wouldnt have been so silly as to change it when its obviously needed.

Ah, well, I hope you interpreted rightly allthough I would still prefer a full shuffle. But if gal page is off line before shuffle I think it might be ok to do a gal shuffle only.

hAl

Sn0w · 5 Feb 2003, 03:44

hope so

RexDrax · 5 Feb 2003, 06:02

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Originally posted by hAl
Am I the only one who saw this ??? Weren't there actual players present at the CH anymore ??? This was actually the only bit of info that was contained in those CH logs.

hAl

hehe, I can never make CH because of work. The only time I have time to read CH is mondays around midnight if I am not too tired or tuesday. Remmber timezones, I am -7CET.

Ditcher · 5 Feb 2003, 09:09

there will be more than one cluster?

BlueArmy · 5 Feb 2003, 09:46

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Originally posted by Ditcher
there will be more than one cluster?

I'm buying 1 private cluster for fury...

Hicks · 5 Feb 2003, 12:32

The newbies used to think we were planning to do that every round, don't encourage them !

gzambo · 5 Feb 2003, 14:27

hmmm
human nature means we are suppossed to learn from our mistakes

/me starts saving to buy the creators some human nature

Baco · 5 Feb 2003, 14:59

This is going to be bad....
I hope they change their minds about this...
Thx!

5 Feb 2003, 19:41

Looks like we have some n00bs among the Creators

5 Feb 2003, 23:10

I hate reshuffle!!!whats to like about it you learn one set of co-ords and then two days later you have to learn new ones!!!! any way.....

Scaggydo · 5 Feb 2003, 23:46

if u know theres a reshuffle comin, why "learn" ure coords?

K-W · 6 Feb 2003, 00:06

Im guessing boredom.

Chax · 6 Feb 2003, 02:25

If there isn't a shuffle, then can there please be private clusters built in the game so that all alliances can take part of it instead of just the select few with stricter enforcement of whatnot?