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Unread 16 Apr 2005, 15:45   #1
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And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
Hello election 2005.
It's a pitty they don't publish their front page, as it was extremely well-done today.
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
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I applied as a political refugee to stay in this country. I was studying in Newcastle upon Tyne and within the first three months of my arriving there, I was beaten up in a totally unprovoked attack because of my dark complexion.
Oh dear, that has **** all to do with race pet, that's because you're in Newcastle.

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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
I'm proud of my dad, I am. He explained to the Tory canvasser who came round just now that he "would not vote Conservative if they tore off his fingernails".
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
How am I supposed to react to that article? The Jewish dance teacher from Iran (?!) sounds like a bit of a prat, in my opinion.
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How am I supposed to react to that article? The Jewish dance teacher from Iran (?!) sounds like a bit of a prat, in my opinion.
why?

"Complaining that immigrants are evil is likely to cause resentment towards immigrants" hardly seems that unreasonable an assertion.
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
Don't know if anyone watched HIGNFY last night but they had a clip of Kilroy talking to an immigrant and asking him when he was going back home. The guy said "Next July" and Kilroy said "What's wrong with tomorrow?".

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Nick Griffin and Kilroy are long lost brothers.
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
"Out with the Saxons" eh?
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
The best bit on HIGNFY was the big when Merton went, in refering to Howard,

"Do you sleep in a coffin full of the soil from your own country?"

And Hislop's "It's unfortunate that his title is shadow- as he has no shadow" in refering to Letwin.
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Don't know if anyone watched HIGNFY last night but they had a clip of Kilroy talking to an immigrant and asking him when he was going back home. The guy said "Next July" and Kilroy said "What's wrong with tomorrow?".

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Nick Griffin and Kilroy are long lost brothers.
While I can see where you are coming from, why is the government waiting until July to send the illegal immigrant home ?

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How am I supposed to react to that article? The Jewish dance teacher from Iran (?!) sounds like a bit of a prat, in my opinion.
I like this bit

' He is offending everything I consider sacred in the Jewish faith'. Would he be refering to the child killing ? The segregation of the Palistinians ? The taking of other's land ?

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I like this bit

' He is offending everything I consider sacred in the Jewish faith'. Would he be refering to the child killing ? The segregation of the Palistinians ? The taking of other's land ?

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Jews ! = Michael Howard ?

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I like this bit

' He is offending everything I consider sacred in the Jewish faith'. Would he be refering to the child killing ? The segregation of the Palistinians ? The taking of other's land ?

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Why should every jew in the world be responsible for the crimes of Israel? There is huge difference in what different jews seems to be the core of the jewish fate.
For all we know, this man has never set his foot on occupied palestinian soil (aka the state of Israel).


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While I can see where you are coming from, why is the government waiting until July to send the illegal immigrant home ?

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While I can see where you are coming from, why is the government waiting until July to send the illegal immigrant home ?

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It's probably a logistical issue.
As getting them all on to a truck and shipping off to somewhere where we are not isn't that ethical and not something I would want Britain to be a part of.

Hey, maybe Howard/Silk wants to put them all on a train and send them to a dentention camp where... wait I'm getting flashbacks from GCSE History...
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Not all all, just the ones that travel through a few European countries first to get here.

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I'd just make the immigration system more comprehensive and work with the European Union as it's something best tackled on a European level due to the logistics of it all.
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Are you one of the people who actually think "illegal asylum seekers" exist?
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Why should every jew in the world be responsible for the crimes of Israel? There is huge difference in what different jews seems to be the core of the jewish fate.
For all we know, this man has never set his foot on occupied palestinian soil (aka the state of Israel).


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Wasn't that bloke who stabbed that police officer an "illegal asylum seeker"?
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I read the independent most days and its been going downhill very quickly. But todays front page story has just rectified that.

Michael Howard is a complete Hypocrite when it comes to immigration, his family was let into this country without any skills and under the current laws allowed to settle because they owned a buisness (a corner shop basically). If we went by the laws that the conservatives are proposing Michael Howard, who's family emigrated from Romania, would have probably not survived the war.

Its fantastic that this guy made light of that fact. The report, in the paper, showed the whole transcript of the conversation and Michael Howard was left trying to stop Federico Mazandarani from speaking and still trying to justify his policies which are just nonsense.

Immigration is such a joke, its even funnier coming from Kilroy who lives in a Spanish Villa for half of the year. You also never hear them complain about the Americans working in London in massive jobs. I say we kick out Rupert Murdochs son, the evil immigrant from the USA who runs one of the biggest buisinesses. Whats the difference between him and a person who works legally in a shop, pays taxes and supports himself suffeciently without government support. heh?!

Vaio - the Government probably supplied the Immigrant (NOT ILLEGAL:?!?!) with a seasonal visa to work in this country. Seasonal labour is massively important to our economy that supplies people for jobs that most British people don't want to do. There is no shortfall of Jobs in the UK, this is a lie, there is just a shortfall of the RIGHT jobs and a surpluss of unskilled, cheap labour. Most the people getting benefit from the government are actually people in the North East, the place DOMINATED by a WHITE ENGLISH POPULATION. It is the North East that has the largest amount of people on Disability benefits and Jobseekers allowance. In places where there are hardly any immigrants at all.

I'd also like to know what the Conservatives are proposing to do about the British population that is rising rapidly at this time. Who does he expect to pay for his retirement and then the 50/60's baby boom population that are about to retire. We are looking at having a population thats over 50% retired. The best way to deal with an issue like this is to promote immigration to this country and gain younger people from other countries. In my family for instance, my parents are nearing retirement and my grandparents are all still alive. So how am I and my Sister supposed to support 4 people, who only gain a moderate pension income and still have to pay council tax at a massive rate?!? France, Germany and Britain, the three biggest economies in Europe, will soon be in major troubles if the Right wingers get their way and stop immigration.

But it seems that its popular and has been for many years now. Its mostly just ignorant people who think that anyone who doesn't have white skin is not British, even if they have been in this country for longer than Michael Howard. Racism is the real issue here, its just masked behind the immigration cover that they have put on it. It doesn't suprise me that the Daily Mail, who supported Hitler, are still against Immigration. Clearly they know best.
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I don't think anybody actually wants to completely stop immigration, just limit it to a more normal level so that Britain is no longer seen as a soft option in Europe.
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I don't think anybody actually wants to completely stop immigration, just limit it to a more normal level so that Britain is no longer seen as a soft option in Europe.
they want quota's to stop as many people as they can from coming here. Anyone who is unskilled will basically be pushed away. They are talking about cutting something which is only 150k or so anyway. And they are talking about saving money.....
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Britain has around 2.5% of the world's refugee population.
It is ranked 9th in Europe in terms of asylum applications per head of population.
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I once met this Russian girl, quite simply one of the best looking girls I've ever seen.
I met her in France, as Britain denied her a work visa. She was an Au Pair, getting minimal money from the French family she was staying with and putting it all back into the French economy.
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Immigration and asylum isn't a real issue. People just think it is.

Vaio - Tell me how our immigration and asylum policy has affected you?
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Re: And this paper gets less shelf space than the Daily Fascist.. sorry Mail.
The torys play on the ignorance that many people have, that says illegal immigrants, economic immigrants, refugees & asylum seekers are all essentially the same, and that said people are all evil terrorists. This sadly strikes a chord with many people
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Immigrants? NIMBY.
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Immigration and asylum isn't a real issue. People just think it is.

Vaio - Tell me how our immigration and asylum policy has affected you?
The last two jobs I have had have now been filled by workers from both Portugal and the Czech Republic at a lower wage Not their fault of course, but this is happening more and more in Cumbria. The major employers are recruiting from employment agencies who are supplying foreign workers and receiving grants from the EU as they are apparently giving training to said workers.

Naturally this won't be happening in your area so I expect you to dismiss this totally.

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The torys play on the ignorance that many people have, that says illegal immigrants, economic immigrants, refugees & asylum seekers are all essentially the same, and that said people are all evil terrorists. This sadly strikes a chord with many people
All the parties are doing this. The tories are nothing special in this respect.

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Perhaps he doesn't like foriegners?
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The last two jobs I have had have now been filled by workers from both Portugal and the Czech Republic at a lower wage Not their fault of course, but this is happening more and more in Cumbria. The major employers are recruiting from employment agencies who are supplying foreign workers and receiving grants from the EU as they are apparently giving training to said workers.

Naturally this won't be happening in your area so I expect you to dismiss this totally.

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Where you sacked/not-selected because your ex-companies found they could employe these people at a cheaper rate?
Are you saying these people are better trained than their British counterparts due to the EU funded training-schemes?
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The last two jobs I have had have now been filled by workers from both Portugal and the Czech Republic at a lower wage Not their fault of course, but this is happening more and more in Cumbria. The major employers are recruiting from employment agencies who are supplying foreign workers and receiving grants from the EU as they are apparently giving training to said workers.

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They weren't county council jobs were they?
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