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Unread 14 Jul 2017, 23:15   #1
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No more IRC

IRC is ancient and not going to get any better.

There are too many communities spread across to many platforms, it makes it hard to mingle and eventually may cause the death of the community.

We need to agree on a consistent communications platform driven by the PA team and obtain buy-in on that from all the alliance HC's.

I'm not overly worried whether it's Slack or any of the other alternatives, but we do need a single platform that isn't stuck in the 90's.
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Unread 15 Jul 2017, 03:57   #2
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Re: No more IRC

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Unread 15 Jul 2017, 07:34   #3
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Re: No more IRC

To be honest I don't see the messaging element of PA a problem too much. Yes there's discord, irc, slack, telegram, whatsapp but all of that is down to preference of a particular person or alliance. Trying to put these communities into a single box wont happen (people left irc for a reason?). However I think things like the forum need a good upgrade. They just feel ancient and really you get 0 feedback coming through from this place to make your audience sticky to the site and wanting to keep coming back to check up on whats happening.

Even switching forum software would help in my opinion. Make it look more modern, engaging and welcoming. https://www.discourse.org/ seems to be quite popular with most companies at the moment.
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Re: No more IRC

I agree there's a problem with fragmentation. I've even seen a few people exile because a galaxy used the 'wrong' medium of communication. I expect that to be more common in places more decicated to actually playing the game than most of the ones I'm in. A royal decree from PA Team about which platform is the Correct one seems pointless to me. You'll never get enough people to join in on it, we're all too committed to our favourite one.

If you want to unify the community, I think a better approach would be to ensure communication on one platform is available on others as well. Ascendancy uses a bot to relay information back and forth between Slack and IRC, which works very well. If that existed for other platforms as well, it wouldn't matter which one you personally used.
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Unread 15 Jul 2017, 08:59   #5
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Re: No more IRC

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If you want to unify the community, I think a better approach would be to ensure communication on one platform is available on others as well. Ascendancy uses a bot to relay information back and forth between Slack and IRC, which works very well. If that existed for other platforms as well, it wouldn't matter which one you personally used.
This is available on both TG and WA too
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Unread 15 Jul 2017, 08:59   #6
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I agree there's a problem with fragmentation. I've even seen a few people exile because a galaxy used the 'wrong' medium of communication. I expect that to be more common in places more decicated to actually playing the game than most of the ones I'm in. A royal decree from PA Team about which platform is the Correct one seems pointless to me. You'll never get enough people to join in on it, we're all too committed to our favourite one.

If you want to unify the community, I think a better approach would be to ensure communication on one platform is available on others as well. Ascendancy uses a bot to relay information back and forth between Slack and IRC, which works very well. If that existed for other platforms as well, it wouldn't matter which one you personally used.
Future/Bows had a bot that relayed between telegram and irc.

I think irc is still a good middle ground, it's the lack of good irc app that let's it down. If it was an 'always on' chat app that would bring people back
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Unread 15 Jul 2017, 13:04   #7
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Re: No more IRC

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Future/Bows had a bot that relayed between telegram and irc.

I think irc is still a good middle ground, it's the lack of good irc app that let's it down. If it was an 'always on' chat app that would bring people back
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This is available on both TG and WA too
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to imply that it didn't.
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Unread 16 Jul 2017, 15:31   #9
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Re: No more IRC

I've tried Slack, WhatsApp and Telegram and I always come back to IRC (using mIRC). Well, to be fair, I've never actually left IRC - just used the others as well (because of alliance or galaxy preferences).
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Unread 17 Jul 2017, 13:55   #10
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Re: No more IRC

I think getting rid of IRC would cause the death quicker then keeping IRC. You have a choice, IRC brings the community together and is easy to use, what I do see with WA, Telegram and so on is people no longer talk to others not in there ally.
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Unread 17 Jul 2017, 14:17   #11
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Re: No more IRC

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I think getting rid of IRC would cause the death quicker then keeping IRC. You have a choice, IRC brings the community together and is easy to use, what I do see with WA, Telegram and so on is people no longer talk to others not in there ally.
I agree that there's a challenge where people don't talk to others outside their ally now, that's the problem with the current fragmentation. So many have already left for these other comms platforms, I never speak to people outside my gal/ally as IRC is just too much of a pain to faff around with.

That's why we should at least aim to get everyone on the same platform, or at least all the alliances.

I know there are alot of older folk who are resistant to change as well, which makes it challenging.

ND has a relay between IRC and Slack, which is fine for most of the time but it is far from a direct or perfect replacement for one strong solution.
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Unread 17 Jul 2017, 14:34   #12
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Re: No more IRC

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I think getting rid of IRC would cause the death quicker then keeping IRC. You have a choice, IRC brings the community together and is easy to use, what I do see with WA, Telegram and so on is people no longer talk to others not in there ally.
(This is not a rebuttal of, but a supplement to your post.)

And this is not the first time it's happened. Back in the dark ages, alliances routinely felt the need to maintain their own IRC networks, isolating their communities from the shared space of NetGamers, but eventually alliances recognized the ease of just using a network that was just... there*. Until Slack/WhatsApp/Telegram/pigeons came around, anyway.


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Unread 18 Jul 2017, 11:47   #13
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Re: No more IRC

I agree with Lukey.
I returned to PA two rounds ago. mIRC brings back memories but is old and still a bit of a hassle. ND uses Slack, personally I'm very happy with that since I can use it on my phone and computer. Extra bonus is I allready use it for work.

I'm not saying it has to be Slack but IRC had it's best time. There are many games/ communities we can learn from. Personally I have good experience with Discord, Jabber (Pidgin) and Slack.
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Re: No more IRC

Discord has worked best for my own experience.
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Re: No more IRC

Most tags, if not all tags, use IRC and/or TG.
The only issues i have trying to reach people is if their alliance uses slack.
So for me its no reason what-so-ever to even consider moving away from IRC, as all tags out their got a relay bot avaible to connect their desired communication tool to irc.
All of our players can get their own IRC-Telegram relay bot from us for their gal if they wish to aswell.
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Re: No more IRC

Anything bar Slack...
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Most tags, if not all tags, use IRC and/or TG.

Of course they do since IRC is still that 'original' platform and it's kept alive. But that doesn't mean it's not outdated and such. If PA wants to attract more players the game and/or the community has to move forward.
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Of course they do since IRC is still that 'original' platform and it's kept alive. But that doesn't mean it's not outdated and such. If PA wants to attract more players the game and/or the community has to move forward.
Well the ingame mail function could be fixed/optmized for mobile phones i suppose.
It was a big problem for me trying to reach my gal mates last round as they were using WA, and i didnt have WA. Trying to mass mail my gal for ships was impossibole on a mobile phone.

And the community has "moved forward", nobody is using only IRC for communication now days, but we didnt "only use IRC" 15 years back either.
Msn messenger, ICQ, Teamspeak, etc etc was pretty popular back then.
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Well the ingame mail function could be fixed/optmized for mobile phones i suppose.
It was a big problem for me trying to reach my gal mates last round as they were using WA, and i didnt have WA. Trying to mass mail my gal for ships was impossibole on a mobile phone.

And the community has "moved forward", nobody is using only IRC for communication now days, but we didnt "only use IRC" 15 years back either.
Msn messenger, ICQ, Teamspeak, etc etc was pretty popular back then.

No it wasn't ....

MSN was never a thing for PA.

Teamspeak/ventrilo primarily used for other games - CS/HoN/Dota/League etc

It was always IRC and Now it's something else. Something that is easily compatible with phones is required. WA is perfect because you can call off it.
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No it wasn't ....

MSN was never a thing for PA.

Teamspeak/ventrilo primarily used for other games - CS/HoN/Dota/League etc

It was always IRC and Now it's something else. Something that is easily compatible with phones is required. WA is perfect because you can call off it.
MSN and ICQ surely was used by a lot of people in the past, im sure i still got some of the guys i played with prior to PaX in my messenger list. A big thing? No, guess not. Atleast it made it easy to set up VNCs iirc.

You calling people from WA is the reason why half the game has deleted it by now
WA didnt allow bots in the past, thats why i personaly moved to telegram, as it allows you to do what you want with it.
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