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Unread 23 Jan 2016, 17:26   #1
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Right now ult have got it by the balls.

Highest average roids and no incs landing: http://kia.cthq.net/graph-ally-4.php...res&large=true
Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.
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Unread 23 Jan 2016, 21:29   #2
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.
Shit, i thought we had more
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Yes, they are #1 and have 30-40 planets outside tag. Surely the only challrnge is who get 2,3 or 4 atm.
Only 30?
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Re: R65. Who wins?

Who else are wanting the win? Faceless tried, dunno about CT and p3ng. p3ng atleast seemed more on ult side at some point and also rather aiming to gather lower tier tag roids.
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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Only 30?
Heroes and Astatores makes 30, speculating if they have more would not be nuce
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Re: R65. Who wins?

don't worry butch3r all 200 players from ult tag had a good lol when you applied to join
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Alliances and cheating

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Heroes and Astatores makes 30, speculating if they have more would not be nuce
Amongst other posts I've deleted and I've given you prior warning: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...2&postcount=21

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Re: R65. Who wins?

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Amongst other posts I've deleted and I've given you prior warning: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...2&postcount=21

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I was wondering where my posts went. In all seriousness clouds, i do miss bf. I want more and more alliances to increase political flexibility that there just isn't now. :-(
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Amongst other posts I've deleted and I've given you prior warning:]

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Maybe better to evolve PA into a multihunter game as you are 'suggesting'.

Imo he is only spreading everyone's thoughts, and as long we don't have proper tools, they will not get 'convicted'.

I suggest we better start playing HoN with newt.
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Maybe better to evolve PA into a multihunter game as you are 'suggesting'.

Imo he is only spreading everyone's thoughts, and as long we don't have proper tools, they will not get 'convicted'.

I suggest we better start playing HoN with newt.
There are limits in my opinion. You can't go around going on about cheating every time someone posts and butchers sneaky snipe that I quoted was the last straw.

I've been extremely restrained over the past couple of years (because there hasn't been much of a problem overall as I see it, some disagree) but if a user complains, has a fair point, I give out a warning and it's not heeded then this is as straightforward as it comes. As with every ban someone gets unhappy but I'm just here to maintain a level of civility.
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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There are limits in my opinion. You can't go around going on about cheating every time someone posts and butchers sneaky snipe that I quoted was the last straw.

I've been extremely restrained over the past couple of years (because there hasn't been much of a problem overall as I see it, some disagree) but if a user complains, has a fair point, I give out a warning and it's not heeded then this is as straightforward as it comes. As with every ban someone gets unhappy but I'm just here to maintain a level of civility.
Yet again you have proved that you are not fit to be a PA moderator if you continue to ban users from posting normal "pa soap".


Atm Astatores is 19 planets, and yes they are a Ultores support tag based on what someone told me. So is this a accusation of them having multi accounts? No.
Is this me trolling and throwing unwarranted lies? No.
Are YOU breaking normal moderating guidelines from my view? Yes.
If you do lack obvious information i recommend you contact me on IRC the next time you are unsure what gibberish im writing here, and we can talk it through if anything is unclear.
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Yet again you have proved that you are not fit to be a PA moderator if you continue to ban users from posting normal "pa soap".


Atm Astatores is 19 planets, and yes they are a Ultores support tag based on what someone told me. So is this a accusation of them having multi accounts? No.
Is this me trolling and throwing unwarranted lies? No.
Are YOU breaking normal moderating guidelines from my view? Yes.
If you do lack obvious information i recommend you contact me on IRC the next time you are unsure what gibberish im writing here, and we can talk it through if anything is unclear.
I'm pretty sure you got banned for your posts about BF/Clouds (atleast i remember reading something in this thread). The post about Astatores is still up there.
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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I'm pretty sure you got banned for your posts about BF/Clouds (atleast i remember reading something in this thread). The post about Astatores is still up there.
That is also well known facta.
Clouds DID get escorted by numerous planets last round wich DID get closed. Everyone knows this except Lokken apparently, and Lokken is acting like a retatd asking for proofs for this as he knows MHs wont give out informastion about planet closure.
That lokken is actualy asking for proofs should be regarded as trolling, and he should be the one banned.
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That is also well known facta.
Clouds DID get escorted by numerous planets last round wich DID get closed. Everyone knows this except Lokken apparently, and Lokken is acting like a retatd asking for proofs for this as he knows MHs wont give out informastion about planet closure.
That lokken is actualy asking for proofs should be regarded as trolling, and he should be the one banned.
I'm sure in your little world all of this is true.
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I'm sure in your little world all of this is true.
Well ask one of your HCs, the scan links where the planets where escorting Clouds, and the scan links where these planets was closed was given out to all the HCs in the game basicly by me last round. I still got these scan links, but im sure you and Lokken are well aware of that the actualy scans are removed after the round ends. So no, i can "prove" anything to you right now unless youve allready watched these links.
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!prop suggest Ban Butcher from the forums permanently
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Re: R65. Who wins?

I have never known anyone, in real life or on the internet, quite like Butch3r. It's not a secret that he has had a personal vendetta towards me from the TGV days (prior to cheating accusations), and he will use ANYTHING to weaponise this bitterness.

There has been more infamous players than me who have been accused of cheating, yet he keeps on this path of bitterness. It's quite sad really.

I've reported you for the first time in my Planetarion history because I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of your toxic behaviour.

And I won't engage in one of your crippled trolling debates, so if you plan to respond with something idiotic, don't bother.

I've stopped playing now so there's no need to continue your little crusade.
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That is also well known facta.
Clouds DID get escorted by numerous planets last round wich DID get closed. Everyone knows this except Lokken apparently, and Lokken is acting like a retatd asking for proofs for this as he knows MHs wont give out informastion about planet closure.
That lokken is actualy asking for proofs should be regarded as trolling, and he should be the one banned.
Bring on the scan links or screen grabs. It's the same for everyone to be fair. I actually enjoy your posts when you keep it constructive. Stick to the rules and you'll have no problem with me.

But generally looking at this thread people on all sides need to settle their differences, move on, and play the game. The bitterness in game is too much, in my opinion.For this thread, everyone needs to cool off, and stay on topic.
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Bring on the scan links or screen grabs. It's the same for everyone to be fair. I actually enjoy your posts when you keep it constructive. Stick to the rules and you'll have no problem with me.

But generally looking at this thread people on all sides need to settle their differences, move on, and play the game. Everyone needs to cool off, and stay on topic.
http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...mpbkv7bmbuqxda this is the JGP showing planets escorting Clouds.

http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...ndi99k5or6ingj this is the scan link showing these planets was closed
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http://game.planetarion.com/showscan...fakescanidhere

(I'm not saying you faked those scan IDs. I'm saying we can't tell whether you did or not.)
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(I'm not saying you faked those scan IDs. I'm saying we can't tell whether you did or not.)
Exactly.
Lokken can contact the MHs and ask them if they will deliver him the "real proofs".
He asked for the scan links, he got them. And yes they are obviously real.
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It is really not anyone's responsibility to investigate whether your Nth outrageous claim is correct or not. Support your statements with evidence. If you don't, people will consider them false.
I have better stuff to do than keep hunting multies, and if i choose to, i wont collect the evidence for the rest of the community (who obviously must be living under a rock if they arnt aware of the closures when the MHs keep doing mass clossing) to judge or view.
I gave away the scan urls/info to various people last round, and im sure if they gave a f*ck they would come here and backup the story. Be it BowS people, or CT/Ult, or even BF.

If Lokken wants to delete my posts claiming im lying/trolling, atleast he should speak to his fellow PA "staffers" before banning someone. I dont see anyone banning Clouds/whoever who keeps spreading lies here that "there was no cheating" when planets kept getting closed, in mass numbers.
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Re: R65. Who wins?

Out of curiosity, what do you hope to achieve by continuing to discuss these cheating accusations of me? I no longer play, and I won't play again in the future. This thread is subjected "R65", and I have no relevance to this round what-so-ever, so keep on topic or shut up.
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Out of curiosity, what do you hope to achieve by continuing to discuss these cheating accusations of me? I no longer play, and I won't play again in the future. This thread is subjected "R65", and I have no relevance to this round what-so-ever, so keep on topic or shut up.
Then be my guest to report it to the moderators, and tell them to split it into a new thread.
You were the one who started this whole discussion regarding past round cheating.
I just followed up on this, saying you are a liar.

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Contrary to popular belief, there were no multis, cousins or whatnot operating within the Black Flag tag. There may have been some inside the tag 4-5 rounds ago, but the HC team (ChronoX) quickly rectified that problem, and if certain members did have multi afterwards, they weren't operating inside the tag. So unless you're calling ChronoX a cheater (he ran Internal Affairs), then I suggest you stop trying to be funny and concentrate on your own round.

I only hope that since my departure, all this toxic disgusting behaviour will stop because it's what makes people leave.
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*Rises from unimaginably awkward yoga position and studiously returns "How to be the worlds biggest faggot with a thesaurus" to the bookshelf*

Oh gosh, I... Well thank you. I have unfortunately been unable to read the forums as of late, due to irl commitments to hunters almost gf, but if you would kindly provide me with a summary of events, I will happily give my opinion on Clouds' blatant massive cheating.
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Then be my guest to report it to the moderators, and tell them to split it into a new thread.
You were the one who started this whole discussion regarding past round cheating.
I just followed up on this, saying you are a liar.
Actually, there were no multis / cousins within the Black Flag tag. Your argument is that some Black Flag members had multi/cousin accounts that escorted them and they were subsequently closed. Now you're insinuating that they were operating within the tag yet there have been no planet closures that occurred within the tag.

EDIT: Use this tool and you can confirm that all planets within the tag were legit: http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=1&round=64

Some nicks were aliased, like Cheetos and Frazzles, but they were the Asian team trying to wind Nelito up. If you want their actual nicks, contact Bennett!

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Contrary to popular belief, there were no multis, cousins or whatnot operating within the Black Flag tag. There may have been some inside the tag 4-5 rounds ago, but the HC team (ChronoX) quickly rectified that problem, and if certain members did have multi afterwards, they weren't operating inside the tag. So unless you're calling ChronoX a cheater (he ran Internal Affairs), then I suggest you stop trying to be funny and concentrate on your own round.

I only hope that since my departure, all this toxic disgusting behaviour will stop because it's what makes people leave.
It's pretty easy to avoid the forums if you find them overly aggressive. I think what's much more unavoidable, and more likely to see people quit, is the enormously high demand for dedication to the game in order to play it at an even slightly competitive level. The fairly rampant cheating in the game is undoubtedly causative of that to some extent, unlike nasty words on the forums.

Chronox admitted cheating, as I said in the previous thread when kicked from bf for complaining about it. You didn't challenge what I said then, the same way you never challenged ult/app for cheating because you knew not to throw stones in glass houses.
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Chronox admitted cheating, as I said in the previous thread when kicked from bf for complaining about it. You didn't challenge what I said then, the same way you never challenged ult/app for cheating because you knew not to throw stones in glass houses.
Yes, and if you read the full context of my post, I said that he cleaned up the 'cheating' that occurred within Black Flag. I wouldn't call using a scan script cheating, as long as account sharing isn't involved (which it wasn't).

Using scripts in contemporary online games is used by a large majority of online users, as long as it's not used to drastically give one person advantage over the other, then the developers don't usually care.

Planetation is stuck in the stone age where if using such scripts it is considered first degree murder and then you cripples act like judge, jury and executioner. Maybe this was a problem back in 1999 when the vast majority of online users didn't have access to such scripts, but c'mon, we're in 2016. It's no wonder why Planetarion is almost dead.

EDIT: what's you're referring to (the use of a scan script) is completely different to what Butch3r is making accusations of (multi/cousin planets), so don't get your wires crossed when they are completely different elements.

I've spent far too much time on here already, so I will close this down and check back next week, if I can be bothered.

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Actually, there were no multis / cousins within the Black Flag tag. Your argument is that some Black Flag members had multi/cousin accounts that escorted them and they were subsequently closed. Now you're insinuating that they were operating within the tag yet there have been no planet closures that occurred within the tag.

EDIT: Use this tool and you can confirm that all planets within the tag were legit: http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=1&round=64

Some nicks were aliased, like Cheetos and Frazzles, but they were the Asian team trying to wind Nelito up. If you want their actual nicks, contact Bennett!
Ah, thank you for shedding light on this, i had almost forgot the history page and all previous round.

During the R60 EORC in the #black-flag channel this occured:

[00:06] * Krazzle ([email protected]s.netgamers.org) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections))
[00:06] * @[BlackFlag] ([email protected][BlackFlag].users.netgamers.org) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections))
[00:06] * Alysea ([email protected]) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections))
[00:06] * RizZo ([email protected]) Quit (G-lined (AUTO [5] Automatically banned for excessive connections))

Wich obviously madem e think, heeeey, whats going on here? I had allready accused BF for planting their bots in rainbows to leech intel, due to our sources inside BF and our bot log, so i knew something fishy was going on and that the MH would never ever catch these "mystery" planets.

Krazzle ofc, for the next round tried to apply for BowS, and i allready knowing this was a bot planet let him in to keep closer watch of his doings acting like i didnt suspect anything wierd.
In the meantime i kept tracking down more "mystery" planets from searching through my IRC logs, and checking the nick up towards the netgamers database(who actualy did say some of these nicks was registred as bots).
A few of these planets kept applying for alliances out there, and some of em was rejected due to me warning the HC team of these alliances.
CT was kind enough to give me all the coords of a "mystery" tag, Titans, wich accidently contained all of these dubious planets.
I let this run for the early parts of the round, untill BF suddently allied this tag ingame, and to stop BF from doing more harm i reported all these planets.
The result?

RiZZo - ex BF/Titans - 3:3:8 - CLOSED
Dave99 - ex BF/Titans - 4:7:4 - CLOSED
Rutix - Titans - 7:1:8 - CLOSED
Sunflower - ex BF/Titans - 200:2:1 - CLOSED
Equalizer - Titans - 200:2:2 - CLOSED
Dobby - ex BF/Titans - 200:3:1 - CLOSED
Ravana - ex BF/Titans - 200:3:2 - CLOSED
FalconSpy - ex BF/Titans - 200:5:3 - CLOSED
Pixelz - ex BF/Titans - 200:7:3 - CLOSED
Timmy - ex BF/Titans - 200:13:1 - CLOSED
Alysea - ex BF/Titans - 200:14:2 - CLOSED
Diego - ex BF/Titans - 200:17:2 - CLOSED
Krazzle - ex BF/Bows - CLOSED
Macwolf - ex BF - 200:7:4 - CLOSED
Demp - ex BF/Titans - 1:4:3 - CLOSED
unkown - Titans - 7:4:5 - CLOSED
unkown - Titans - 200:16:3 - CLOSED
Clouds(according to BF members and various intel sources) - BF - 6:7:1 - CLOSED

Then i thought my job was done, i was sure BF would not be stupid to try pull this trick again, but last round someone tipped me off that the BF bots had infact reappeared, and give me various coords to these planets. Sevenseas(BF HC that round) said that he had no clue who these planets was, and i thought it was not my job to keep being the moral guardian of planetarion for any longer, untill suddently a bunch of these planet appeared to be lol waving a BowS planet, escorting a planet wich, wierdly enough, was owned by you.
After news scanning all these planets, i discovered that they had been escorting you for the entire round basicly.
So i went to the MHs once again crying, and yet again all the "mystery" planets got closed and deleted.


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To put it short, did BF have bots inside their tag? Yes, go check it up with the nick list i just posted.
And please just retire from the forum aswell, and spare me for all your lies and idiotic comments.
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Re: R65. Who wins?

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See, that's alright that post.
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You're very good at twisting things, I'll give you that.

Just to elaborate so others don't fall into Butch3r's sphere of influence, I already admitted that we had cheating within the Black Flag tag, and I went on to explain that We (ChronoX) cleaned up the cheating within the tag, and we went on to win two rounds without any multis/cousins within the tag. If you need 'proof', use http://beta.planetarion.com/history/history.php and cross check the rounds we won, you will find all planets within the tag were legit and weren't closed.

You've been on this vendetta for a while now (even before the accusations), and what exactly have you achieved? Now I'm going to be a little modest here, but we still had decent politics, we still played with a full tag and people who despised Black Flag still worked with us. In essence, you have only swayed a few users on the forums, which had no effect on our rank or achievements what-so-ever.

It's like with Apprime, they were infamous cheaters, yet they still won multiple rounds, had a full-tag and had pretty decent politics (probably the best politics).

So the moral of the story is; no-one cares so get off your high horse.

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And please just retire from the forum aswell, and spare me for all your lies and idiotic comments.
I don't think my comments are idiotic, but you're entitled to your opinions, I think I respond quite logically whereas you're infamous for spouting idiocy comments.

In conclusion; Did Black Flag have a bad reputation? Yes. Did it affect our politics and goals? No. Unlike most other alliances, at least we had the balls to challenge Ultores and not give them an easy win every round.

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Clouds' point is valid. His lame multis caused more harm than good for him and for BF in the rounds they existed. I doubt he was using them the rounds BF won. Also, I don't remember any complains about BF cheating or strange planets in those two rounds they won.
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you know it is a bad day on the forums when BB wtfpwns you clouds.

Problem is there is no real penality or fear factor in cheating.
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You're very good at twisting things, I'll give you that.

Just to elaborate so others don't fall into Butch3r's sphere of influence, I already admitted that we had cheating within the Black Flag tag, and I went on to explain that We (ChronoX) cleaned up the cheating within the tag, and we went on to win two rounds without any multis/cousins within the tag. If you need 'proof', use http://beta.planetarion.com/history/history.php and cross check the rounds we won, you will find all planets within the tag were legit and weren't closed.

You've been on this vendetta for a while now (even before the accusations), and what exactly have you achieved? Now I'm going to be a little modest here, but we still had decent politics, we still played with a full tag and people who despised Black Flag still worked with us. In essence, you have only swayed a few users on the forums, which had no effect on our rank or achievements what-so-ever.

It's like with Apprime, they were infamous cheaters, yet they still won multiple rounds, had a full-tag and had pretty decent politics (probably the best politics).

So the moral of the story is; no-one cares so get off your high horse.



I don't think my comments are idiotic, but you're entitled to your opinions, I think I respond quite logically whereas you're infamous for spouting idiocy comments.

In conclusion; Did Black Flag have a bad reputation? Yes. Did it affect our politics and goals? No. Unlike most other alliances, at least we had the balls to challenge Ultores and not give them an easy win every round.

Good luck in NewDawn by the way.

Im not twisting things.
You are a cheater, BF were cheaters, and notorious liars.

"Oh yes we had numerous bots all the rounds before we won and the one after we won, but none the rounds that we won"
People can make up their own opinions wether to belive this is true or not, i obviously dont belive it.

"Yes BF used illegale scripts and scan bot, but since _WE_ belived it should be legal we used it anyway. If you disagreed with our views on _CHEATING_ we kicked you"
Even though you dont think something should be illegale does NOT make it legal.


No, not Everybody accepts cheaters, thinking BF could change was a mistake by BowS/CT who helped them win the rounds they did. For the community i apologize letting them down, some people dont change, and i was wrong to belive the bots was gone.
After the run in with Bram and his inc stats/constant mass newsscans of BF to prove you were lying about inc numbers, and the famous screenshot of this wich people have proved to be photoshopped realy tells me i cant, and shouldnt trust anything you ever say.

Yes, this game is in a very bad shape.
There is very few good HCs left, they will change their values on honesty and fair play of the game based on the situation.
CarDi has been caught cheating numerous times, that does not stop the likes of Ultores/Rogues to let him into their alliance or Adapts into CT, and im sure if you ever come back to the game you will be accepted somewhere aswell.
Yes i did leave the alliance i founded due to the others wanting to accept one of these individuals who goes down as "unwanted" individuals in my book.

Yes i joined ND, i do keep up my playing for my BPs sake. When this round is over im likely to consider your path to retirement as i have no obligitions left in the game.
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Just to elaborate so others don't fall into Butch3r's sphere of influence, I already admitted that we had cheating within the Black Flag tag, and I went on to explain that We (ChronoX) cleaned up the cheating within the tag, and we went on to win two rounds without any multis/cousins within the tag. If you need 'proof', use http://beta.planetarion.com/history/history.php and cross check the rounds we won, you will find all planets within the tag were legit and weren't closed.
First, tags are artificial constructs that often don't reflect an alliance's actual composition. It's a fairly common strategy for alliances to keep some of their members outside of their tag, and theoretically, they could have planets inside their tag that don't belong to alliance members. This is coordinated by alliance HCs, by necessity. Saying "we had no multis in our tag" therefore sets a pretty low bar, as it leaves open the possibility (and implication) that cheating was organized to take place outside of the tag, but still in, by and for the benefit of Black Flag.

Second, you (intentionally?) leave unresolved the question whether the closed planets outside of the tag were controlled by people with their 'main planet' in the tag. Secondary planets are fairly easy to detect and close, but the main planet is a different story. Just like with farming: farms are easy to get rid of, but the farmers themselves tend to get off with a warning. This is because the MHs have fairly stringent requirements for evidence. Spotting a farm is easy. Proving beyond reasonable doubt that someone controlled said farm is much harder. It may be plain as day for the people who see them first-hand, but when those observations get to the MHs, they have no way of telling if they're fact or fiction.

As (ex-)HCs, you and ChronoX have (or had) access to much more information than the MHs do, and it gets to you long before it degrades to the level of hearsay. True, it is not your responsibility to kick cheaters, but that is in the best long-term interest of this game we all profess to enjoy, and play anyway, even if we pretend to hate it. In failing to take steps against cheating, and indeed implying you tolerated some level of it (you have all but admitted taking the position of "just keep them out of the tag, OK?"), you and yours harmed the game for your own benefit, and it's perfectly rational for people who like the game to bear some grudge for that.

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So the moral of the story is; no-one cares so get off your high horse.
I like my high horse. I for one don't want to join you down there, playing in the filth. I prefer staying clean.
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you know it is a bad day on the forums when BB wtfpwns you clouds.

Problem is there is no real penality or fear factor in cheating.
Its down to the community to get rid of it. As long as they are content with accepting it, and not excluding people who keep doing it this will never change.
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Its down to the community to get rid of it. As long as they are content with accepting it, and not excluding people who keep doing it this will never change.
/me remembers a certain multihunter called Assassin back in the day (r15) who clamped down on the vsh "support planets" and didnt give a flying XXXX who he closed.

I disagree..... "stuff" needs to be hard coded with a declining playerbase alliances will accept almost anyone to get a full tag.
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I disagree stuff needs to be hard coded
I don't see anyone advocating hard coding anything. Who are you disagreeing with?
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I don't see anyone advocating hard coding anything. Who are you disagreeing with?
Butcher ... I remember his stance from http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...40&postcount=4
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Oh. I see. You should really have put a comma between 'disagree' and 'stuff'. And a period after 'coded'.
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Its down to the community to get rid of it. As long as they are content with accepting it, and not excluding people who keep doing it this will never change.
This is pretty much dead on, whatever the surrounding argument is. And it starts with HCs leading by example.
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This is pretty much dead on, whatever the surrounding argument is. And it starts with HCs leading by example.
ever since r15 when 1up and exil used vsh support planets and adopted a "keeping up with the jones" mentality ... hard coding is the only answer, the PA community can't police itself and needs sanctioned from the PA team.
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ever since r15 when 1up and exil used vsh support planets and adopted a "keeping up with the jones" mentality ... hard coding is the only answer, the PA community can't police itself and needs sanctioned from the PA team.
I dont think its wise to bring the "support" planet discussion into a discussion regarding cheating with multing and bots.
Yes 1up had people outside tag in their ranks, but also were the leading majority that had the support rule implented due to eXi having "hundreds" of dubious and normal support planets outside of tag. This is one of the rules still around that should be removed or at best rewritten.

"hardcoding" has too many problems to even be considered, beside the obvious one that the time/money required with coding.
What should be hardcoded exactly?

Yes, you are right. The community has not been able to deal with the cheating yet. If you ask ex BF members or ex Rogues members about all the bot closures roundXX they are likely to call you a retard or like Clouds have done, claim your lying or have some personal vendetta towards them.
They might not even have noticed it did happend. And so far the MHs have refused to give out information claiming its breaching "privacy" or that they dont want to make a "shame list".
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