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Unread 16 Jun 2003, 13:20   #1
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More lies about Iraq
Having not been on the forums for weeks I had a quick look and there hasn't been an Iraq thread for nearly 2 weeks!
So I thought I'd better keep the discussion going to remind people that it's still an issue.

So - we all know about all the lies that have been uncovered with regards to WMD, which as we know was the main reason given for the emergency invasion.
It turns out that the attempts to buy Uranium were false allegations, therefore they have no nuclear weapons plan.
Themobile weapons labs have nothing to do with biological weapons.
And basically nothing can be found, despite repeated searches.

And I think this cartoon kind of sums a lot of it up.

So - if you want a conspiracy theory:here's one

So - Anyone changed their mind about anything? or have anything more to add? Read the above articles and comment, please!
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So - Anyone changed their mind about anything? or have anything more to add? Read the above articles and comment, please!
Oh no! Because you'll get all the "Vengance for 9/11" brigade screaming at you, you'll get the UK anti-immigration lobby screaming at you. You'll get Express readers screaming at you.

Nothing will change. People are too stupid. Governments are built on spin and PR. So the vast populace will remain sadly unaware that the Iraq war was built on a lie.

That said a "war" implies to sides fighting. I'd rather call it an invasion.

And a big STFU who say "it doesn't matter if there's no WMD, we've freed Iraq from an evil man". Why STFU? Because there's FAR WORSE attrocities being commited world-wide, and nothing is done.

Grenada - Haiti - Poland - Nicaragua... all with really terrible human rights records, and all with dictators put there by the US!

And talking about "Crimes Against Humanity": The Afghan "prisoners" held in Cuba (Camp Xray) have been informed they will not have a trial. Instead they will go before a Military Tribunal, with no legal representation, and no appeals proceedure. Interestingly, the US has built a series of execution chambers there too.

So a big **** You! to Uncle Sam, and all his brain dead followers.

Brain dead mother****ers...

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Iraq is of no interest to us now.
Yes, my next vacation will be in North Korea, or possibly Iran. There's an outside chance of visiting Pakistan too.

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iraq is so yesterday's news. Its had its 15 minutes. We shall just now assume that everything is hunky dory.
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Iraq is of no interest to us now.
WRONG, Iraq is of no interest to the media.

The situation in Iraq is of interest to me.

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iraq is so yesterday's news. Its had its 15 minutes. We shall just now assume that everything is hunky dory.
Precisely, the africans are still too lazy to eat and they havent been in the news for 10 odd years. Lets just leave them all to it and look for the next war.
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WRONG, Iraq is of no interest to the media.

The situation in Iraq is of interest to me.

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hey guys, i heard the koreans eat babies now...
now we'll have the anti-americans saying that baby eating was introduced by america and the pro-americans will invade!
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Oh no! Because you'll get all the "Vengance for 9/11" brigade screaming at you, you'll get the UK anti-immigration lobby screaming at you. You'll get Express readers screaming at you.

Nothing will change. People are too stupid. Governments are built on spin and PR. So the vast populace will remain sadly unaware that the Iraq war was built on a lie.

That said a "war" implies to sides fighting. I'd rather call it an invasion.

And a big STFU who say "it doesn't matter if there's no WMD, we've freed Iraq from an evil man". Why STFU? Because there's FAR WORSE attrocities being commited world-wide, and nothing is done.

Grenada - Haiti - Poland - Nicaragua... all with really terrible human rights records, and all with dictators put there by the US!

And talking about "Crimes Against Humanity": The Afghan "prisoners" held in Cuba (Camp Xray) have been informed they will not have a trial. Instead they will go before a Military Tribunal, with no legal representation, and no appeals proceedure. Interestingly, the US has built a series of execution chambers there too.

So a big **** You! to Uncle Sam, and all his brain dead followers.

Brain dead mother****ers...

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whats wrong with poland ffs?

(and did you hear that they might even execute some of those prisoners in cuba? brilliant, no real court and executions, they could as well have handed them over to saddam, he would have done the same.
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Oh no! Because you'll get all the "Vengance for 9/11" brigade screaming at you, you'll get the UK anti-immigration lobby screaming at you. You'll get Express readers screaming at you.

Nothing will change. People are too stupid. Governments are built on spin and PR. So the vast populace will remain sadly unaware that the Iraq war was built on a lie.
I have a good feeling that it won't go away in this country. With a third of the population trusting Tony Blair less now (and the rest staying the same), with Labour party membership down to practically an all-time low and MP's complaining everywhere. There seems to be a lot of unrest, at least in the UK.
In the US - Michael Moore is more popular than ever, the media are slowly starting to critisize the administration and the population are becoming slightly less apathetic, The only thing protecting the White House? Its timid Democratic opposition.

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And a big STFU who say "it doesn't matter if there's no WMD, we've freed Iraq from an evil man". Why STFU? Because there's FAR WORSE attrocities being commited world-wide, and nothing is done.

Grenada - Haiti - Poland - Nicaragua... all with really terrible human rights records, and all with dictators put there by the US!

And talking about "Crimes Against Humanity": The Afghan "prisoners" held in Cuba (Camp Xray) have been informed they will not have a trial. Instead they will go before a Military Tribunal, with no legal representation, and no appeals proceedure. Interestingly, the US has built a series of execution chambers there too.
Poland? POLAND? democratic and about to join the EU, come on! at least say Zimbabwe, Congo, Ivory Coast etc, appeased by most of the world.

The guantanamo bay thing is very worrying especially as the US are planning for executions! do we see an outcry?
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hey guys, i heard the koreans eat babies now...
Apparently foetus is a delicasy in the phillipines. no kidding!
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LOL LOL YES WE ALL KNOW SADDAM WAS SUCH AN ACE MAN THAT HE JUST GOT RID OF ALL HIS N0RTY WEAPONS WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO NICELY BY THE NICE UN WEAPON INSPECTOR HE KEPT DETAILED ACCOUNTS OF HOW HE KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE BUT NOT HOW HE GOT RID OF HIS N0RTY WEAPONS LOL I MUST BE SO NAIVE FOR THINKING SUCH A NICE GUY WOULDNT DO AS HE WAS ASKED LOL!!!!!!!!
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Just be glad you live in the world now, and not in the world in 100 years time which will be complete and utter crap due to capitalist corporations milking as much money as they can now.
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Poland? POLAND? democratic and about to join the EU, come on! at least say Zimbabwe, Congo, Ivory Coast etc, appeased by most of the world.
Poland has a shady past... I was pointing out the notable cases of illict US intervention...

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Poland has a shady past... I was pointing out the notable cases of illict US intervention...

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Grenada - Haiti - Poland - Nicaragua... all with really terrible human rights records, and all with dictators put there by the US!
but it doesn't have a dictator put there by the US or a horrible human rights record afaik.
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In the US - Michael Moore is more popular than ever, the media are slowly starting to critisize the administration and the population are becoming slightly less apathetic,
american media are allowed to critisize the administration? What happened to all the patriotism and 'defending our freedom' etc?
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Iraq is in Africa.

It is very cold there.

Iraqis all support Sunderland.

The national dish is pork chops.

The national drink is Coca-Cola.
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22% of Americans believe that the hijackers were from Iraq.
20% of Americans believe that WMD's have been found in Iraq.

Anyone want to say the propaganda isn't working?
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When people are so statisfied with their own ignorance to begin with, there is no need for propaganda. The people need only to be led in the right direction.
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LOLOLOL MY POINT WAS OBVIOUSLY WE WERE CRAZY FOR EVEN CONTEMPLAITING THAT SADDAM STILL HAD ALL HIS N0RTY WEAPONS FROM THE ORIGINAL GULF WAR, HE OBVIOUSLY GOT RID OF THEM, AND THE FACT WE CAN'T FIND THEM - BECAUSE HE OBVIOUSLY DIDNT WANT TO LEAVE THEM LYING AROUND - MEANS THAT THEY NEVER EXISTED. LOLOLOLOLOL J/K (l)


...Please, you really think he got rid of them? I fear you have too much faith im human nature. I doubt they'll ever find anything they're all safely buried in the desert and who looks like the chumps now?
The West.

So I guess Saddam still has control over dividing you all even after his fall from power. Oh well.
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LOLOLOL MY POINT WAS OBVIOUSLY WE WERE CRAZY FOR EVEN CONTEMPLAITING THAT SADDAM STILL HAD ALL HIS N0RTY WEAPONS FROM THE ORIGINAL GULF WAR, HE OBVIOUSLY GOT RID OF THEM, AND THE FACT WE CAN'T FIND THEM - BECAUSE HE OBVIOUSLY DIDNT WANT TO LEAVE THEM LYING AROUND - MEANS THAT THEY NEVER EXISTED. LOLOLOLOLOL J/K (l)


...Please, you really think he got rid of them? I fear you have too much faith im human nature. I doubt they'll ever find anything they're all safely buried in the desert and who looks like the chumps now?
The West.

So I guess Saddam still has control over dividing you all even after his fall from power. Oh well.
I have deciphered all your crap, and come to the conclusion that you're George Bush.
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I think it's just moronic to believe this man actually did as he was asked.
why? because Bush told you?
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now now, c'mon people, we all know it's americas god given right to try and screw up the rest of the world, afterall, if george bush saw stuff in his vision, who are we to claim he's a stupid ass, afterall, gods on his side...
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now now, c'mon people, we all know it's americas god given right to try and screw up the rest of the world, afterall, if george bush saw stuff in his vision, who are we to claim he's a stupid ass, afterall, gods on his side...
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No because a man works with my daddy who comes from Iraq and he said Saddams a very n0rty man!
But I spose he's just a pawn in Bushs oil campaign too LOL
did you honestly laugh out loud when you read that ?
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Actually if the West is dead-set on completely ****ing up the Middle East we should make it more interesting.

For example, get the EU Army going. Then We can play Military chess with the States using the Middle East as the playing board.
but then we could aswell skip the middle east and start a nuclear war between the eu and the us. now that would be fun. bombing heavily sanctioned 3rd world countries isnt all that intresting.
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completely ****ing up the Middle East
you mean it's fine now?
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Crap !
You are obviously under the impression that the US and the UK are quite happy to throw away the lives of their citizens for no reason at all.

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You are obviously under the impression that the US and the UK are quite happy to throw away the lives of their citizens for no reason at all.

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there are reasons, unfortunatly others than those your goverments like to talk about.
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Oh no! Because you'll get all the "Vengance for 9/11" brigade screaming at you, you'll get the UK anti-immigration lobby screaming at you. You'll get Express readers screaming at you.

Nothing will change. People are too stupid. Governments are built on spin and PR. So the vast populace will remain sadly unaware that the Iraq war was built on a lie.
[sarcasm]I'm positive, you have all the information, for better or worse.[/sarcasm] I'm quite sure that if you do have all the information you claim to have, there are a few blacksuits at Langly who would love to have a chat with you.

Even tho they probably have blown a little smoke upp our arses for covering their intentions, wouldn't you given the same situation? And what makes you so sure that the Americans/Brits havn't found any WMD? The media probably hasn't been let in on anything before it has gone through lot's of departmens by UK/USA officials. Probably not all of the high ranked persons in respective governments even know half of what is true or not.

Saddam Hussein has gassed his own people around the 90's, and he has also gassed prior to that. Whatever motives the US/UK want to use, let them take him out.
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[sarcasm]I'm positive, you have all the information, for better or worse.[/sarcasm] I'm quite sure that if you do have all the information you claim to have, there are a few blacksuits at Langly who would love to have a chat with you.

Even tho they probably have blown a little smoke upp our arses for covering their intentions, wouldn't you given the same situation? And what makes you so sure that the Americans/Brits havn't found any WMD? The media probably hasn't been let in on anything before it has gone through lot's of departmens by UK/USA officials. Probably not all of the high ranked persons in respective governments even know half of what is true or not.

Saddam Hussein has gassed his own people around the 90's, and he has also gassed prior to that. Whatever motives the US/UK want to use, let them take him out.
Its the Iraq's who should have removed their leader not us, we've got nothing to do with it.
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