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Unread 29 Oct 2010, 23:46   #1
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multihunters are utter fail

my ruler name has been changed without warning of even letting me know it had been done by multihunters.

orginal ruler name : "3 words - sux to be"

(planet name is "adding 4th - YOU")

could someone please enlighten me as to what is wrong with this?

as the MHs clearly have no need to explain their dictatorial sensorship.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I don't care.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I don't care that you don't care.

In other news, today I decided to give up trying to get my name changed; it goes back to the Zebra Punch case starting about a week ago. The least painful option is to pretend that MHs don't even exist.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

Hello.

On behalf of the multihunter team, I'd like to state that you're wrong, and the multihunter team won't be commenting more on this subject because they cannot discuss cases in public. However, your name could be found demeaning towards women, household cats, or George Washington.

If you don't like the decision, quit the game.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

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However, your name could be found demeaning towards George Washington.
That sounds far closer to the truth than any reasoning anyone would get from these multi-failures.
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Hello.

On behalf of the multihunter team, I'd like to state that you're wrong, and the multihunter team won't be commenting more on this subject because they cannot discuss cases in public. However, your name could be found demeaning towards women, household cats, or George Washington.

If you don't like the decision, quit the game.
good idea. i will make this my last round. apparently someone complained about my name.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

Another Ace decision I guess.

Never seen a person that much incompetent.. I don't really understand why the MHs aren't exchanged as so many people apparently have problems with their fail decisions.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I personally love reporting names that could be interprited as abusive. Best trolling there is!
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

so these names are wholly acceptable?

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sorry to bump a fairly old post but i fail to see how any of these escape moderation when there are far more obvious connotations to them however i assume no1 has reported them so they don't exsist? clearly there a few in my very short list that are prolly not offensive to most people however since the MH appear to change them at a whim when someone complains i included them since potentially they could be offensive.

What im trying to say, as many others are, either moderate and set a precedent or leave people to use names that could be perceived as offensive
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sorry to bump a fairly old post but i fail to see how any of these escape moderation when there are far more obvious connotations to them
Actually, it´s because the MH team suffers from lack of brains. They randomly throw dice to decide whether a name is abusive or not, don´t listen to arguments, deliberately misspell or mispronounce names, ignore official definition of words and other stuff.

Appearantly being a retard is the mainly requested qualification to join the MH staff.

Tbh, if I wasn´t so utterly addicted to this game (or maybe just the people I play with) I´d have quit about those completely incompetend ****s long ago. They´re pretty much the definition of bad customer care.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

While I agree that some planet and ruler names cross over the line, I do completely disagree with lack of response from MH when a case arises.

More communication would help stem the backlash.

However the fact that a few people use planet and ruler names, to try and win some sort of "battle of wits", is pretty tiresome.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I think that someone just need to understand that if they are in borderline with offensive R/P or fleetnames, the MH's will come down on them.
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my ruler name has been changed without warning of even letting me know it had been done by multihunters.

orginal ruler name : "3 words - sux to be"

(planet name is "adding 4th - YOU")

could someone please enlighten me as to what is wrong with this?

as the MHs clearly have no need to explain their dictatorial sensorship.


Quoted for truth.

Can anyone give me a logical reason as to why FUKUNG is allowed as a fleet name, yet FU KUNG isnt?

#mh needs to up their dose of reality.
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Unread 20 Nov 2010, 07:47   #14
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

Get a life, who cares.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I find this amazing, it used to be that people got a warning and an invitation (upon threat of closure) to attend the MH channel or respond using the support/mh tickets.

Every man and his Monkey complained about this, and may I say most vociferously, and the suggestion was made *by many* that the offence hardly warranted a threat of closure and should just be dealt with?

So the "team" took this on board and the idea/suggestion was implemented, and now it is the case that R/P and Fleet names are changed and the user is advised of this, they then have an opportunity to put a suggestion for a new one, and if suitable it is allowed.

This to me seems quite reasonable.

And yet people still complain?

FYI this is how it works:
R/P names are gone through at pre-start usually by at least 2 members of the team at which point any blatantly offensive ones are dealt with, others that may have a double meaning or be considered as possibly offensive are discussed by all the team and a consensus is agreed along with a course of action.

As the round progresses, there are occasional checks, but mostly the new planets that may have dodgy names are reported via various methods. Fleet Names generally are reported, but there are random checks done about once a week by team members who go through all the fleet names.

Whilst this is not ideal, you have to consider that no one MH does the Job full time, all of them have a RL and work, have kids, grandkids etc so it is not possible to always act "instantly" when something may be offensive, or give offence.

The alternative to changing what are considered to be offensive/abusive names is to go back to how it was previously, or to not allow players to pick any names at all, and just have all planets as a number/letter sequence?

I think that the current system whilst not perfect, is good, less intrusive, and allows for some flexibility, the very few idiots that decide to push the boundaries round after round (and it is always the same morons) deserve everything they get.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I dont think its the system people are complaining about Judge, as long as the MH send a mail out when they rename a planet/fleet saying that its been renamed and they are free to join #multihunters if they wish to change it to something else.

Its just the same complaints about 'this isnt really offensive so why has it been changed' but that can never be solved as the MH's would rather be over-zealous than let things slip which may cause offense. Which in some ways, is the right thing to do.
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I dont think its the system people are complaining about Judge, as long as the MH send a mail out when they rename a planet/fleet saying that its been renamed and they are free to join #multihunters if they wish to change it to something else.

Its just the same complaints about 'this isnt really offensive so why has it been changed' but that can never be solved as the MH's would rather be over-zealous than let things slip which may cause offense. Which in some ways, is the right thing to do.

see above " R/P and Fleet names are changed and the user is advised of this, they then have an opportunity to put a suggestion for a new one, and if suitable it is allowed. "

The user is advised in both cases, the Fleet Names are treated slightly differently in that the player may have the ability to change his fleet names removed for a given period, or the whole round (depends how bad it is)

In regard to R/P names the user is again told about it and has the opportunity to suggest a reasonable alternative.

There are no "Arbitrary" changes made just for the hell of it.

But as i said above it is always the same people who wish to test the water round after round, they deliberately find obscure words and phrases that can be offensive when the actual meaning is investigated.

The fact that the MH team do not have to justify there views and opinion is what sticks in the craw of the players, but that is just tough luck, if you do not want to spend your time arguing about it then don't commit the offence.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

That settles it then. Judge thinks it's reasonable. I think the rest of us should now be able to agree something is seriously ****ed.
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So, we had the roundly, or half-roundly MH are utter shit thread now, anything interesting going besides this?
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see above " R/P and Fleet names are changed and the user is advised of this, they then have an opportunity to put a suggestion for a new one, and if suitable it is allowed. "

The user is advised in both cases, the Fleet Names are treated slightly differently in that the player may have the ability to change his fleet names removed for a given period, or the whole round (depends how bad it is)

In regard to R/P names the user is again told about it and has the opportunity to suggest a reasonable alternative.
I know what the system is, i was repling to your post which implied people were complaining about the system.. When in reality, they was complaining about the MH's being over-zealous in what they find offensive.

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But as i said above it is always the same people who wish to test the water round after round, they deliberately find obscure words and phrases that can be offensive when the actual meaning is investigated.

The fact that the MH team do not have to justify there views and opinion is what sticks in the craw of the players, but that is just tough luck, if you do not want to spend your time arguing about it then don't commit the offence.
Ive personally got no real problem with the MH's being over-zealous. Sometimes its lol's to see what they find offensive but overall, if the user isnt being branded a cheater and forced to join a channel for a telling off (plus has the ability to rename there planet/ruler if it wasnt extremly/blatently offensive) then i dont care.

P.S. Dont lecture me on a system which i campaigned for. http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=105
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So, we had the roundly, or half-roundly MH are utter shit thread now, anything interesting going besides this?

Unfortunately not,

Maybe it is the boredom factor ?

Maybe it is because the MH's are prohibited from taking part in an active discussion on the processes they undertake?

It is always easy to take cheap shots at people who are unable to reply.
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The return of the king

i would please like to report that p/r name.

the return = which means backing up aka bending over aka sexual reff.
the king = is what many pple call their male genitals.

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Re: multihunters are utter fail

Same old Same old i guess, Allthough i have seen several cases of R/P names being changed, for no reason anyone can understand.
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Like said above, if you walk the border there is change of it happening, and Don't really get what all the fuss is about. Not like your getting closed over it.
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Maybe it is because the MH's are prohibited from taking part in an active discussion on the processes they undertake?
The "unable to participate in a discussion" is such a convenient way to avoid responsibility for your failures. Since five hundred idiotic overzealous decisions concerning planet or ruler names, we're still to see a thread say explaining how and why p/r names are generally found against the code (say, why "eagle punch" or "catnip" might be offensive - I can see how these could both be demeaning towards women).


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The "unable to participate in a discussion" is such a convenient way to avoid responsibility for your failures. Since five hundred idiotic overzealous decisions concerning planet or ruler names, we're still to see a thread say explaining how and why p/r names are generally found against the code (say, why "eagle punch" or "catnip" might be offensive - I can see how these could both be demeaning towards women).




It's also easy to take cheap shots at proven, publicly branded idiots.

What really amazes me is how clueless some people are.
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I don't understand what the problem with explaining yourselves publicly is. I don't see what the issue is with explaining why certain p/r's are out of bounds, even in specific cases.

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On behalf of the multihunter team, I'd like to state that you're wrong, and the multihunter team won't be commenting more on this subject because they cannot discuss cases in public. However, your name could be found demeaning towards women, household cats, or George Washington.

If you don't like the decision, quit the game.
With my mod hat on, this is pretty much a borderline troll which offers absolutely nothing to the forum users, who have a wider interest in understanding your logic in making decisions such as this, given that users have asked for some clarity on this issue, time and time again. Either give people a proper explanation, or don't post at all on the issue.
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I don't understand what the problem with explaining yourselves publicly is. I don't see what the issue is with explaining why certain p/r's are out of bounds, even in specific cases.
In specific cases it's obviously some kind of a NDA. On a more generic level, there probably is no reason apart from not having time/motivation/the feel of responsibility for it.


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With my mod hat on, this is pretty much a borderline troll which offers absolutely nothing to the forum users, who have a wider interest in understanding your logic in making decisions such as this, given that users have asked for some clarity on this issue, time and time again. Either give people a proper explanation, or don't post at all on the issue.

It's as exact an answer as anyone is able to give. On a thread that's been rolled over and over, the kind of "We won't answer, but you're wrong and we're right, we know the details" -slogan is what you will get from the party who is ultimately able to answer the question.

You do understand, right, that the only people in this discussion that are able to give a proper explanation on this subject, are, as mentioned not only by yourself, the very people who refuse to participate in the discussion on any level (even on an abstract level that would not necessarily have to do with case per case situations)?

I said "The "unable to participate in a discussion" is such a convenient way to avoid responsibility" because I meant that addressing such issues would promote transparency in the staff activity and possibly answer repeated questions people have over the subject; however, the obvious path of action chosen is to simply take distance from the discussion.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

In reply to the issue of the MH's commenting, not all the MH team sign an NDA, only the senior members, but that said we give our word that we will not discuss specific cases.

This is for a number of reasons, not least of which is to protect a player from unwarranted attention, it may well be that our discussion of an issue could result in disclosure of details that the player may wish to keep to himself (or her).

As for explaining single decision is made, well that is down to practicality, they simply do not have the time.

Also it is invariably the case that the player "knows full well" the alternate meaning of there chosen R/P and is basically just coming the twit -i +a

In realistic terms most players who are in dispute about there chosen R/P are there because they chose to push the boundaries, and to further discuss the issue only adds to the problem as it then allows them a platform to argue.

By denying the argument it denies further problems, where a player may attempt to personalise or escalate the issue.
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This is for a number of reasons, not least of which is to protect a player from unwarranted attention, it may well be that our discussion of an issue could result in disclosure of details that the player may wish to keep to himself (or her).
In most of the cases that crop up on these forums the player in question brings it up so it's fairly safe to assume they're okay with the issue, er, being brought up.

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As for explaining single decision is made, well that is down to practicality, they simply do not have the time.
Obviously not every single decision needs to be explained. Just the few that seem so patently absurd, ie this one, or affect a large number of people, ie zebra punch.

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Double entendres are half the fun of life itself. The question is where these become offensive and worthy of being removed. I mean my own r/p this round is THE ENORMOUS SIZE of MY ERRR EGO. Now, because I decided that being annoyed by multihunters denying me various r/ps before I came across one that was okay was better than having my r/p changed midround to something I found painfully moronic, I actually had this approved pre-round. However to me my own r/p seems far more offensive than the r/p that led to this thread. I mean, it's not exactly hard to guess what I'm referring to with my r/p and I can imagine how someone might find someone else referring to their penis size not-so-subtly offensive. I really can't see how sucks to be you is offensive. I mean there are no sexual connotations in that phrase at all.

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In realistic terms most players who are in dispute about there chosen R/P are there because they chose to push the boundaries, and to further discuss the issue only adds to the problem as it then allows them a platform to argue.
Not really. Most people are just offended by the fact that as the game has shrunk from one played by 40,000 people to one played by less than a thousand the multihunting team has managed to preserve their jackass-like existence by inventing new rules to enforce and spending ever increasing amounts of time enforcing them. Further those people are offended by the aloof, bureaucratic nature of the multihunters when they do manage to unearth such horrendous offences as naming your planet "sucks to be you". Finally people don't like the fact their r/p choices are restricted beyond what they think is fair.

In realistic terms the main problem is in how much of a pack of faggoting jobsworths the multihunters insist on being an alarming amount of the time.

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By denying the argument it denies further problems, where a player may attempt to personalise or escalate the issue.
What is this, the principle of multihunter infallibility? This is the same sort of logic as "imprison everyone and then there'll be no criminals roaming free!"
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I'm not just going to sit here and let people go "la la I'm not telling you" and post as if you're antagonising the users of the forum (and enjoying it) just because of some NDA. If you can't see why the post I quoted pisses people off without adding anything to the discussion then we're not going to get on here. I repeat myself: post appropriately or not at all.

With respect to double entendres, the whole point is that by the time someone has worked out what it means, it's probably not offensive to them at all, as they're mature enough to understand the titillation behind it. That doesn't mean people can be crude or crass in their p/r but something like "The Donkey Punch of A Boxing Mule" should clearly be allowable because there's a perfectly innocent reading of it.
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I'm not just going to sit here and let people go "la la I'm not telling you" and post as if you're antagonising the users of the forum (and enjoying it) just because of some NDA.

However this is exactly what the multihunter team has always done (albeit in more words and elaborate fashion) in these cases. (and the plethora of ex-multihunters and groupies that wind up telling about these things). As long as the multihunters persist with their method of not responding to anything or not putting down any time into explaining what kind of things are typically no-no in this game (we all know account sharing is. however, is "donkey punch", or "mad cat punch", or "dead doggy tailswipe" nasty? because "zebra punch" is).
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It is often the case when the argument is lost, people turn to insults.
Concerning the MHs, there is no argument to be lost. They don´t pick it up at all.
People might resort to insults as they´re offended by the ignorance and refusal of discussion though.
It´s pretty much worthless to argue with the MH staff anyway as they refuse to listen to whatever argument one brings up. This is most annoying. Maybe they should just make a single "We don´t give a **** about you" post and announce they will abuse their "power" at random occasions.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

The way i see planet/ruler names which have a double meaning, is that if i got a child to read it.. would they understand/know the offensive meaning? If not, then the planet shouldnt be closed.. especially if i didnt even know the double meaning until i spent 20minutes on google looking for a reference.
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spent 20minutes on google looking for a reference.

The sheer multitude of different cultures in the world and the relative ease of access to information on them means that, pretty much anything you ever type to the planet/ruler name part, will probably be deemed offensive by someone somewhere after a 20 minute google crunching.
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I thought I'd bump this thread again. Can the multihunters please stop changing people's r/ps to things they might find amusing personally and pick something ****ing objective like "planet 1 of ruler 1" or something. I do not want to see "4 3 3 TheTrials shoe shoppers" on top of the most roiding planets because some dribbling cretin thinks they have the right to gain amusement from their job at the expense of other people.
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Can people not even mention their job title in their ruler name?!!!
What is the point of changing ruler names that are not directly offensive *sigh*
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I thought I'd bump this thread again. Can the multihunters please stop changing people's r/ps to things they might find amusing personally and pick something ****ing objective like "planet 1 of ruler 1" or something. I do not want to see "4 3 3 TheTrials shoe shoppers" on top of the most roiding planets because some dribbling cretin thinks they have the right to gain amusement from their job at the expense of other people.
That's hypocritical.
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

I for one think the multihunters should be congratulated for doing something worth discussing, debating, and getting emotional about in a game which has otherwise become a snoozefest of epic proportions (judging by posts on these forums that don't concern controversial planet / ruler names).
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I for one think the multihunters should be congratulated for doing something worth discussing, debating, and getting emotional about in a game which has otherwise become a snoozefest of epic proportions (judging by posts on these forums that don't concern controversial planet / ruler names).
I dont really have a problem with the MH's regarding ruler/planet names anymore. Yes, they should be renamed to default things like Ruler001 of Planet001 until the player gets the chance to rename (if they wish) but apart from that... This system is the only real suitable system they should be using. Its a hell of alot better than the 'closure' system we had before.
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Can't believe this is still going ?

Oh well same old same old.................
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see above " R/P and Fleet names are changed and the user is advised of this, they then have an opportunity to put a suggestion for a new one, and if suitable it is allowed. "

The user is advised in both cases, the Fleet Names are treated slightly differently in that the player may have the ability to change his fleet names removed for a given period, or the whole round (depends how bad it is)

In regard to R/P names the user is again told about it and has the opportunity to suggest a reasonable alternative.

There are no "Arbitrary" changes made just for the hell of it.

But as i said above it is always the same people who wish to test the water round after round, they deliberately find obscure words and phrases that can be offensive when the actual meaning is investigated.

The fact that the MH team do not have to justify there views and opinion is what sticks in the craw of the players, but that is just tough luck, if you do not want to spend your time arguing about it then don't commit the offence.

sorry to bump this thread but i was never told about the name change and never told i could go to #mh to change it. also, it is the only time i have ever have a r/p name change so to start that is always the same "morons" is completely inaccurate and an offensive generalisation.
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What Judge posted above is no longer the case

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Abusive R/P or Alliance name
Punishment: R/P will be changed by the Multihunters without the option of getting it renamed.
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Unread 23 Jan 2011, 11:58   #44
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Unread 23 Jan 2011, 15:12   #45
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Re: multihunters are utter fail

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some dribbling cretin thinks they have the right to gain amusement from their job at the expense of other people.
Wow! That man is HOTT over a planet name!

It should come as no surprise that the arrogance of the current MH team would be expressed in planet renaming. From my experience they deeply enjoyed closing planets without justification before, so a simple renaming isn't going to fill their evil hearts. So prepare to be flamed, all those who dare to toe the line of PATSA decency!

At least you get to change your planet/ruler name mid-round. If they were more ambitious they would sell mid-round name changes for a peso or two.
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Unread 27 Jan 2011, 23:03   #46
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