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dabult · 4 Dec 2002, 21:36

Well?

And yes, this would be an effort for a real thread, but im so fking tired i cant be arsed to sit down - think - create somthing nice and tidy, so im just asking right out.

DJet · 4 Dec 2002, 21:47

With the chance of PA continuing beyond this round i doubt many will be willing to say...

Scouse · 4 Dec 2002, 23:13

Anyone with half a brain won't be willing to 'burn their bridges' simply to gloat over which alliances they had spies in.

Kjeldoran · 5 Dec 2002, 00:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Scouse
Anyone with half a brain won't be willing to 'burn their bridges' simply to gloat over which alliances they had spies in.

ssssssst, soon they will find out you were a FAnG spy on Titans ....
Losing this round was merely a tactic

rgds Kj

meddy · 5 Dec 2002, 00:38

i got some spy´s in Virus , Titans , LDK, NoS, WP, Ely... more infos needed ?

Sjor · 5 Dec 2002, 01:19

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Originally posted by meddy
i got some spy´s in Virus , Titans , LDK, NoS, WP, Ely... more infos needed ?

well meddy is my spy so including to all my intel sorces add his ones too

Scouse · 5 Dec 2002, 01:44

BTW, people define the term 'spy' differently. There's a big difference between a person purposely put somewhere for information gathering reasons and someone who just talks too much.

G.K Zhukov · 5 Dec 2002, 01:50

I could have "spys" in most alliances I guess. Just had to log onto diff servers and change my nick...

logbat · 5 Dec 2002, 02:25

youre a little lurker aint you zhukov

G.K Zhukov · 5 Dec 2002, 03:30

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Originally posted by logbat
youre a little lurker aint you zhukov

Im very easily bored

5 Dec 2002, 03:48

Quote:

Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
Im very easily bored

n00bs got owned to quickly

G.K Zhukov · 5 Dec 2002, 03:58

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Originally posted by Darki
n00bs got owned to quickly

nice to see you had some in your BG then

Axis_WLF · 5 Dec 2002, 04:59

Spying was fun aye lo Zhukov

The Globe · 5 Dec 2002, 08:47

Quote:

Originally posted by meddy
i got some spy´s in Virus , Titans , LDK, NoS, WP, Ely... more infos needed ?

lol, u typed all the alliances where i got access, except LDK. How lucky

xtothez · 5 Dec 2002, 13:48

I'm really a Titans member.
I've been spying on Ely for the last 3 rounds, taking target information of friendly planets from military command channels and passing it on to members in an attempt to leak Ely attacks before they are sent. This is usually done in the form of a 'raid' or 'attack', whereby the 'target' is scanned by someone so people can take their own targets, further enforcing the illusion that this isn't an elaborate intelligence operation. From time to time my real alliances' targets are roided by my Ely puppets, but this is chalked down as 'acceptable losses'. I even attack and roid Titans planets myself to ensure I am not discovered.
Of course, I dont tell Titans about the intel I discover, as if there was ever found to evidence of a leak my whole operation would be ruined. So I tell them after landing that they will be attacked, so they have plenty of time to prepare for next time.
I am now a senior officer and they still don't suspect a thing!!!!111~@~@~!12. Clearly I must be the leetest spy ever.

cypher · 5 Dec 2002, 14:28

i had more titans in my gal then?
oi scouse fs why didn't you ever tell me?

5 Dec 2002, 16:28

I had spies in Hirr, Fury, Virus and Elysium

Hosie · 5 Dec 2002, 16:52

Wouldn't you get the name right if you had a spy in hirr? :/

dabult · 5 Dec 2002, 19:42

Quote:

Originally posted by DoGziLLa
I had spies in Hirr, Fury, Virus and Elysium

What Hosie said.

fs :\

Shakky · 5 Dec 2002, 19:50

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Originally posted by xtothez
Snip

indeed u aer teh greatest spy X

Salomo · 6 Dec 2002, 01:35

this actually was the first round since round 2 i think where i didn't have a single spy, informant, etc. :-)

Cicada · 6 Dec 2002, 01:44

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Originally posted by Salomo
this actually was the first round since round 2 i think where i didn't have a single spy, informant, etc. :-)

me too..

13 Dec 2002, 14:14

Quote:

Originally posted by DoGziLLa
I had spies in Hirr, Fury, Virus and Elysium

What info did you get from Hirr? Come to think of it, who are they?

Rabbagast · 13 Dec 2002, 16:23

Who needs spies ?

Personally I can't stand them.
However spies have become a very essential part of the game for alot of alliances wether they like to admit it or not.

There are ofcourse many types of spies.
"Hey everyone I just got into their jr wing!! weeeeeeeee ;D Now I can chat in their public channel and stuff"

Another type and one of the most common ones are the 'blabber mouth' that sits and talks in a unsecure channels with all sorts of people. Talking about their alliance and how cool it is, with perhaps 'enemies' earsdropping. Alot of information gets picked up like that.

I don't want to discredit the spies that actually work hard and have a goal and plan worked out. However it's often alot of coincidents and pure luck at times that leads them to a clue and at 'worst' times connects them directly to the source.
Sniffing on irc servers, forums etc.
- I don't want to write a 'How to' right now ;o)

There are ofcourse 'spies' on the top levels of alliances aswell.
I have never really understood how these people think or what on earth is the matter with them. Not sure if they really quilify as real spies, or if they are just seriously disturbed. They have afterall worked hard to help build up an alliance and make it good (or they should have anyway). Creating an Alliance and a comunity that you can be really proud of and actually achieving something with. Instead they try to ruin it by selling it out!
I have seen alot of examples of 'them' being offered to come play with the BIG boys instead. "Ofcourse you can join us, all you have to do is bring your memberlist and other type of intel you can get your hands on"

There is a 5th race in Planetarion, and that is the spies.
It's like they are competing on other levels of the game.
..and ofcourse they love showing of their accomplishments.
By doing this they help each other getting a better overview of more alliances than what they could've achieved on their own.

The quality of Intel that's being gathered varies alot. Which is understandable considering all the factors involved here. There is alot of disturbances on the way from the source to it's end receiver.

Another interesting element that is of interest when talking about Intel, would be something called Counter Intelligence.
However that's another chapter..

Looks like this thread is starting to get abit lnoger than I first planned on writing. So I'll try to shorten it down abit
..for now

I might comment along the way, if the thread keeps on spinning

When conscerning which alliances we had spies in, I would have to say all of the above

+ aLOT more ;;DD

Buly The Great · 13 Dec 2002, 17:30

Quote:

Originally posted by DoGziLLa
I had spies in Hirr, Fury, Virus and Elysium

phew...I thought you had spies in hirr there for a while but I guess it doesn't bug me if you had spies in that n00b alliance called Hirr.

Axis_WLF · 13 Dec 2002, 18:25

Spying is a fine art indeed. Ya gotta have different crews doing different things. Your main crew 2-3 spies per alliance that your after. 1 to port from at least and 1 to play around with to make him the scapegoat. Your crew of peeps who will leak info on purpose to "big mouth" peeps <did a demonstration in Legion r7> . Then you gotta have a few peeps that will discredit your info thus making it easier to spy and I did that often.

Myself I often spied on Rah <lenin and maddix knew why> and Fury using a few old Xanadu'ers and a couple of old Fury peeps who did not like the fact some Xanadu'ers joined, and then on Adelante where I got their memberlist longgggggggggggggggg time before Jornx played with their Arbiter I just kept hush about it , well after I gave it to titans and some others I did. I had access to Fang, LDK and Virus. <LDK and Virus knew I did but I told them I wasnt spying on them cause I wanted them to win> I did not however have access to Titans and there wasnt any need as I was giving them all my information. I had dormant spies in elysium, WP and there was no need to use them due to so many other spies it was beginning to be a member list of all spies in those alliances. MDK was to easy I think everyone had spies in there as well.

The Fury members would have been better protected hadn't so many leaked out their own coords to friends who would tell on them. Other wise fury arbiter wasn't so easy to play with due to limited checks, red flags and the damn time you had to check from which was annoying. Most peeps found this round were due to them simply leaking their own coords out.

I used spies and spied myself mostly to disrupt oppositions attacks such as where and when they will attack and then announcing this openly to the alliance, if they changed target i'd still find out so I pre-warned peeps. Or to find out if a target is getting real defence or fake defence due to this rounds stupid MIL SCANs heh.

good spies over the rounds Id say were.

Torz: ALWAYS annoying , dunno if he spied but he got through often lol a few times due to ignorant mistakes on us he was excellant practice for spy-hunting. He is a cool guy I like him.

Lenin: Gr8 guy nice annoying spy to. Helped open my eyes a few times.

Zhukov: Gave me nice information since r6 I do believe.Cool guy fun to talk to, reminds me of me from R2 about his aggressive ways of spying. All legal though.

Ribs: r5 had a rocking list

Ghengis: Mr. Fury man was pretty good till he went idle heh

Merlin: not to shabby

Rabbagast · 13 Dec 2002, 18:53

hehe, I remember seeing Axis_WLF searching around on NoS server quite often during early parts of r7...

You and your (wo)men are pretty active.

Being a good spy is truly a piece of art.
I'll admit to that.
But still I don't like them ;P but I can reckognize them for their work.

Sakera · 13 Dec 2002, 19:06

i notice a few 1337 pl3pl3 here that actually have spi0rs. A question, a spy to you is 1) someone that joined the alliance with only mind to destroy the alliance and get information from them, or 2) someone that isdedicated to their alliance but give you information because they consider you a friend, witch is more worth to them than the alliance ..?

Axis_WLF · 13 Dec 2002, 22:30

Anyone who gathers crucial information on different alliances while serving in a main alliance himself or someone that gathers information on alliances but in turn sells the information to other alliances in return for aid such as protection which is what I did while spying on adelante.

Then there is another breed, the trader spy. One who is in an alliance for example beginning of a round things are going good. However 1 alliance member ends up in an all hostile cluster, this person is in turn threatened to leave, spy the alliance or die etc. ALSO note all trader spies that I have dealt with have DIED in the round they did it in. However Summy who in r6 was extremely loyal to Legion stuck it out in a hostile cluster and As I promised I would we went in and I BEAT THE DOG ***** outta 1:23 heh : ) I did that one personally and it was FUN! So trader spies ALWAYS die.

dezaster · 14 Dec 2002, 11:33

haven't played actively for the past few rounds, but back when i did i had access to a fair share of different alliances. the most ammusing by far was the fang hc account i had access to back in r6-7 :/

BLACK_OPPS · 15 Dec 2002, 15:35

best spys dont say a word

i shall leave it at that

Handsome Sailor · 15 Dec 2002, 21:49

Quote:

Originally posted by dezaster
haven't played actively for the past few rounds, but back when i did i had access to a fair share of different alliances. the most ammusing by far was the fang hc account i had access to back in r6-7 :/

talking about LEFF's R6 account? heh, think a lot of ppl had access to that one.
Sometime before midnight i said i expected 03.55 incomings and asked if he was available to def then. He just handed me the login without more questions :eek:

( for those wondering wether i used it or not; attack was canceled)

Auro · 16 Dec 2002, 06:29

I had a spy in an alliance back in r7

It only had 5 people in it so there wasn't much to do

Pilatus · 17 Dec 2002, 06:02

I weren't actually a spy, but when i decided to leave Entinity and rejoined HR i accidently gave my login name and password to ETY's webby to SethMace

Don't know how long he had access to that account since i never gave a clear quitting message. Don't think there were much important information that he got from it, since ETY weren't HR's enemies. Besides it were mostly spam on the forum, except for a thread were ppl were posting they're choords

genosse27 · 17 Dec 2002, 23:43

spying clearly sucks :deer:

but collecting coords is fun :-)

Spearhead · 18 Dec 2002, 11:01

T&P was fun to 'be in' R7 :P heheh didnt last long though, but i did get in

but i am never doing that again, after i returned to my main alliance the ppl there didnt trust me no more

like genosse said spying sucks !! i'm staying loyal to my current allie!!
M00000000 on !

18 Dec 2002, 12:03

I was supposedly a spy in round 2 or 3 in LOST or something (i wasnt, until i got so pissed off that i ended up spying on them anyway heh)

ooo HC spy..tsk

Unf_Slasher · 18 Dec 2002, 12:41

scouse made a good point actually, there are only a few deliberatly placed spies (takes too long to place them in a good alliance, since an effective spy got to be officer level or higher) but there are a quite a few officers who talk too much....

Monkeypimp · 19 Dec 2002, 09:31

I just pick up all my info from people i know who randomly discuss thier alliances activites.