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Just for the record WP/Ely
What have your alliances been doing for the first 3 months of this round?
Can someone who actually has a clue (officer, hc) comment on this?
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26 Nov 2002, 11:41
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Their battlegroups have been running loosly and some have been used to aid titans/ldk and the rest have been neutral and attacking random targets.
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26 Nov 2002, 11:43
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Their battlegroups have been running loosly and some have been used to aid titans/ldk and the rest have been neutral and attacking random targets.
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He clearly asked for someone who had a clue
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26 Nov 2002, 12:00
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Originally posted by Hoopy
He clearly asked for someone who had a clue
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Yes... and I responded..
U saying I was not telling the truth in that post?
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26 Nov 2002, 12:01
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We've been minding our own business.
(thx for the roids Dain:)
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26 Nov 2002, 12:06
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Yes... and I responded..
U saying I was not telling the truth in that post?
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Yes, in my view they've spent the first 3 months of the round being neutral. I find the way you state that some have been hitting targets to aid titans/ldk whilst others have been hitting randomly pretty laughable - I suppose that it has crossed your mind that they could all be hitting 'randomly' but there wouldn't be much point in you posting that would there?
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26 Nov 2002, 12:07
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
We've been minding our own business.
(thx for the roids Dain
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You are welcome 
How did you like my defensive manouver in gal? 3 x 12390 ships eta 6
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26 Nov 2002, 12:10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Their battlegroups have been running loosly and some have been used to aid titans/ldk and the rest have been neutral and attacking random targets.
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When WP/ELY BG hit my galaxy they hit the Fury and Madcow members too.. no fakes either.. don't exagerrate!
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26 Nov 2002, 12:12
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lord_Dain
When WP/ELY BG hit my galaxy they hit the Fury and Madcow members too.. no fakes either.. don't exagerrate!
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ehh... yes?
i said so... some where used by titans/ldk and helped doing their dirty work. Others was just neutral and roided what they could.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:14
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
ehh... yes?
i said so... some where used by titans/ldk and helped doing their dirty work. Others was just neutral and roided what they could.
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i are the shinny knight and we the evil scum now?
how come?
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26 Nov 2002, 12:16
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Quote:
Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
dirty work?
i are the shinny knight and we the evil scum now?
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I'm allways on the good side =)
Also.. the evil guys have allways been the guys who might win the round.... Thoose are Titans/LDK/DTA/Virus atm.
And I never liked LDK/Titans.. so they are the least I would want to win the round.. no offence =)
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26 Nov 2002, 12:18
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26 Nov 2002, 12:21
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lord_Dain
You are welcome
How did you like my defensive manouver in gal? 3 x 12390 ships eta 6
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Anyone who cant send in-gal def shouldn't be playing the game. I dont see your point.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:23
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Yes... and I responded..
U saying I was not telling the truth in that post?
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Where do I begin... :-/
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26 Nov 2002, 12:23
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
Anyone who cant send in-gal def shouldn't be playing the game. I dont see your point.
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He means it would be difficult to tell which fleet went where since they are the same in numbers and a mil scan doesn't tell you where they went.
However there are other ways to determine where they went...
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26 Nov 2002, 12:25
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luckeh!!!!
However there are other ways to determine where they went...
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The fact that some of the planets he said to had real def, whereas others had obviously fake def. I refer to my previous point. It takes no skill to add up the number of ships in each fleet slot and send them ingal (lo calculator.exe). Just make sure your friends do the same...
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26 Nov 2002, 12:29
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Originally posted by xtothez
The fact that some of the planets he said to had real def, whereas others had obviously fake def. I refer to my previous point. It takes no skill to add up the number of ships in each fleet slot and send them ingal (lo calculator.exe). Just make sure your friends do the same...
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Well, then its a no-brainer in that situation, his fault, but it is a good tactic in some circumstances.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:32
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luckeh!!!!
Well, then its a no-brainer in that situation, his fault, but it is a good tactic in some circumstances.
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It works when a xand player sends a fake fleet with 1000 pods at the same time as a real 1000 pods + 20k CO fleet. It works when a terran sends a fleet of pegs/DE pods and a fleet of chims/FR pods with the same number in each slot. It doesn't work when you send virtually the same types of ship in each fleet slot anyway, and when everyone else defending that target is sending obvious fakes.
*sigh*
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26 Nov 2002, 12:33
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
Where do I begin... :-/
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Not a big post... 2 lines... should be easy.. even for u... if u need help just pm me and i'll work u through it word for word..
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26 Nov 2002, 12:33
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
ehh... yes?
i said so... some where used by titans/ldk and helped doing their dirty work. Others was just neutral and roided what they could.
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You are completely bull****ting us right?
Some were used by Titans, because they hit Adelante Fury?
So if this is true, some others were used by Fury and Adelante, when they hit LDK/Titans.
Oh wait.. ofcourse Fury and Fang were the 'neutrals'.
I hope you see the erm.. bias, and nonsense in your claim, Storebo. If not.. heh.. nm
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26 Nov 2002, 12:35
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Not a big post... 2 lines... should be easy.. even for u... if u need help just pm me and i'll work u through it word for word..
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"Sub-Standard"
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26 Nov 2002, 12:37
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
It works when a xand player sends a fake fleet with 1000 pods at the same time as a real 1000 pods + 20k CO fleet. It works when a terran sends a fleet of pegs/DE pods and a fleet of chims/FR pods with the same number in each slot. It doesn't work when you send virtually the same types of ship in each fleet slot anyway, and when everyone else defending that target is sending obvious fakes.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:39
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Originally posted by Luckeh!!!!
Yes I already know, now you've taught just about every n00b that visits here :|
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Nah, they're too busy reading the Strategy boards o.O
Too busy trying to find out which ships are in fashion this season, beacuse they're too lazy to read a manual/unit matrix.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:39
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
We've been minding our own business.
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Indeedy, furthermore i'll say Titans/ViruS & Fury/FAnG/ToT are equally as bad as each other looking at past rounds that is. I don't think the evil guys are whoever wins the round though. Its usually what a group of alliances do (if anything) once they have won the round that makes them "evil". Fortunately with only 4 weeks left in this round I don't think this will apply as much in r8 as it did in say r5 or r7.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:39
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Anyone who cant send in-gal def shouldn't be playing the game. I dont see your point.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:40
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Quote:
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Thats called ignorance
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26 Nov 2002, 12:43
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What we were doing? Ehhh. I think most things we did are already mentioned above
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26 Nov 2002, 12:43
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luckeh!!!!
Well, then its a no-brainer in that situation, his fault, but it is a good tactic in some circumstances.
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It is a good tactic, ask the attackers and xtothez, they used the same strategy on the attck.
It was amusing to see them pull from the other 2 1k+ roids planets due to some minor def, of which one had already asked his defenders to recall their def b4 the tick. Luckily the attackers fell for it and pulled halfway the last tick.
Grin
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26 Nov 2002, 12:47
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Quote:
Originally posted by Whis
Indeedy, furthermore i'll say Titans/ViruS & Fury/FAnG/ToT are equally as bad as each other looking at past rounds that is. I don't think the evil guys are whoever wins the round though. Its usually what a group of alliances do (if anything) once they have won the round that makes them "evil". Fortunately with only 4 weeks left in this round I don't think this will apply as much in r8 as it did in say r5 or r7.
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At least SOME people have brains (me exluded, I know).
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26 Nov 2002, 12:48
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After your short-lived thread on here yesterday, you're the last person to be using the i-word.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:50
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I am self conscious enough to KNOW i am ignorant. You are ignorant and just keep denying it
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Point out where I'm ignorant.
I only post on AD when I'm:
a) in full knowledge of related facts on the subject, or
b) in the mood to flame someone who really deserves it.
With the exception of you and Storebo, I haven't done b) in quite a while.
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Originally posted by xtothez
Point out where I'm ignorant.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:52
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lord_Dain
You are completely bull****ting us right?
Some were used by Titans, because they hit Adelante Fury?
So if this is true, some others were used by Fury and Adelante, when they hit LDK/Titans.
Oh wait.. ofcourse Fury and Fang were the 'neutrals'.
I hope you see the erm.. bias, and nonsense in your claim, Storebo. If not.. heh.. nm
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U are biased tho.. and so am I... hostile to me is not what is hostile to u. But we both know both sides used "puppet alliances" in the war effort. But Titans had managed to make whole universe be anti Fury and to try to kill fury...
Adelante was that aswell at start due to DTA being there... Personally I tried to keep us more on the neutral side.
And when I say hostile.. we all know someone around there will see things another way. Someone have me as hostile. So all thoose who I don't note down as hostiles should be the ones saying ****.. not the ones I note down as hostiles because we have very different views.
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26 Nov 2002, 12:54
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But Titans had managed to make whole universe be anti Fury and to try to kill fury...
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26 Nov 2002, 12:54
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****, seems i have been used by Fury, Fang, Titans, Pack, Ely, LDK, ViruS, RaH, NoS considering the targets i have been involved in this round 
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26 Nov 2002, 12:56
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heh, fury did a pretty good job of that themselves maybe?
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For winning the round?
Other then that most of their actions can be defended...
They are honest, and they didn't backstabb thoose who was allways loyal to them.. exception might be FAnG last round.
Other then that they was loyal to RaH and remember the rest of flttv tried to dump fury/fang/rah...
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26 Nov 2002, 12:58
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Originally posted by Hoopy
heh, fury did a pretty good job of that themselves maybe?
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26 Nov 2002, 13:03
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Dain: quoting my posts without making any contributions is an invite to getting your thread locked/deleted.
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Originally posted by Storebo
...Ely hitting people...
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...Ely hitting people...
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And just to put an end to this issue before the thread is closed:
Elysium has been hitting targets hostile to Elysium all round. Nothing more, nothing less. You may remember a post on here a while ago by Zhukov, accusing us of picking on his gal for being 'Fury'. In that thread I explained the use of one of our military tools, including the simple feature of hostile detection based on galaxy parses. We have been hitting targets covered by that. That includes Fury. It includes Titans. It includes every other alliance out there. The fact that we actually landed on more Fury/Fang planets compared to Titans/LDK is just an indication of the balance of this round, and is not based on some covert political scheme to stick with one particular side. We target people as they target us. I fail to see how anyone with the political and intel resources of Storebo and Dain can claim otherwise. If you need any indication of their knowledge and reliability, simply get copies of those rather embarassing threads they make on AD. You know, the ones they delete themselves because they realise after 3 pages how stupid they look?
Question answered.
Now I suggest this thread is closed before I am tempted to properly let loose on these trolls.
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26 Nov 2002, 13:17
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
U are biased tho.. and so am I... hostile to me is not what is hostile to u. But we both know both sides used "puppet alliances" in the war effort. But Titans had managed to make whole universe be anti Fury and to try to kill fury...
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Quote:
Originally posted by xtothez
And just to put an end to this issue before the thread is closed:
Elysium has been hitting targets hostile to Elysium all round. Nothing more, nothing less. You may remember a post on here a while ago by Zhukov, accusing us of picking on his gal for being 'Fury'. In that thread I explained the use of one of our military tools, including the simple feature of hostile detection based on galaxy parses. We have been hitting targets covered by that. That includes Fury. It includes Titans. It includes every other alliance out there. The fact that we actually landed on more Fury/Fang planets compared to Titans/LDK is just an indication of the balance of this round, and is not based on some covert political scheme to stick with one particular side. We target people as they target us. I fail to see how anyone with the political and intel resources of Storebo and Dain can claim otherwise. If you need any indication of their knowledge and reliability, simply get copies of those rather embarassing threads they make on AD. You know, the ones they delete themselves because they realise after 3 pages how stupid they look?
Question answered.
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Zhukov is Titans or something along that side... not Fury!
And heh.... u are ignorant. U talk about me and dain and say we are clueless etc.. U think we don't got a fan club for u aswell? 
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Quote:
Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
dirty work?
i are the shinny knight and we the evil scum now?
how come?
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LDK is the root of ALL evil fs!
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we Did it,
We didnt do it
Might have ben uss
Surly u must be misstaken
That would be the casualties of war
Wasnt uss.
Somtimes late at night... we cathc your fleet while you are sleeping.
i herby Deny and admit to all actions done by uss. we did it but we wherent there.
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LDK is the root of ALL evil fs!
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Remember back in round 6 when LDK where attacking Ely gals incluster... gals who where Ely all round was attacked because they hadn't tagged up. LDK found it unnecessairy to use arbiter when orders about tagging had came out. This could be a honest mistake ofcourse... but in your own cluster? Clueless or arrogant imo. I know for a fact that Ely gal had presented themself to LDK told they where Ely and offered their help. And then incluster incomings are their thanxz for LDK HC Lrytaz himself.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Stress
we Did it,
We didnt do it
Might have ben uss
Surly u must be misstaken
That would be the casualties of war
Wasnt uss.
Somtimes late at night... we cathc your fleet while you are sleeping.
i herby Deny and admit to all actions done by uss. we did it but we wherent there.
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how often did that happen?
more than once?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Zhukov is Titans or something along that side... not Fury!
And heh.... u are ignorant. U talk about me and dain and say we are clueless etc.. U think we don't got a fan club for u aswell?
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Zhukov is allianceless.
And when you post threads declaring victory on the #1 planet just after launching on it, or accuse Fury of 'pretending to lose roids just to get everyone on their side', I think thats pretty decent grounds for accusations of cluelessness.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Storebo
Zhukov is Titans or something along that side... not Fury!
And heh.... u are ignorant. U talk about me and dain and say we are clueless etc.. U think we don't got a fan club for u aswell?
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Actually I thought XtotheZ made good points in his reply.
With regard Zhukov being Fury XtotheZ never said he was...he said his gal contained Fury not that Zhukov himself was Fury.
His run down on Elysium strategy certainly made more sense than some of the theories I have seen on here.
Elysium is doing its own thing (so far anyway) - you are just upset that they wont join the anti-Titans/LDK coalition you seem desperate to try and put together.
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R9 - 4:10:5 - *OLYMPIANS* - I hate NARWEET *Boohoo*...
R8 - 26:2:1 - *TITANS* - We wuz robbed - Hidden Dragons foeva!!!
R7 - 5:20:3 - *NONE* - Owners of C5 - Creation of Lost Avengers - PA's most leet BG
R5 - C28 - *ELYSIUM* - Lo Friederich, Hardcastle, CBK and all...
R4 - ? - *NONE* - Hapless noobie
R3 - ? - *NONE* - Hopeless noobie
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26 Nov 2002, 13:37
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Adelante
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 855
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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
how often did that happen?
more than once?
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well... sertainly we got complaints from wp/nos/cell and the rest about ldk.
Imo.. ldk steared XeTa back then... they where agressive and Xanadu needed them and let them have their way. LDK > Xanadu.
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26 Nov 2002, 13:43
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Guest
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Originally posted by Storebo
U are biased tho.. and so am I... hostile to me is not what is hostile to u. But we both know both sides used "puppet alliances" in the war effort. But Titans had managed to make whole universe be anti Fury and to try to kill fury...
Adelante was that aswell at start due to DTA being there... Personally I tried to keep us more on the neutral side.
And when I say hostile.. we all know someone around there will see things another way. Someone have me as hostile. So all thoose who I don't note down as hostiles should be the ones saying ****.. not the ones I note down as hostiles because we have very different views.
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Not really. Like I said WP and ELY were truly neutral as they hit both your side and mine. I can (dare) say I think they were neutral because they did that. I won't emphasize the fact that they would hit my own alliances enemies once in a while (as that is pretty apparent).
Titans didn't manage to make the whole universe anti Fury.
Fury did that themselves in the previous rounds, and by pissing off a majority of alliances and players end of R7.
What you are saying is ; it's all Titans big fault and scheme!
Do you REALLY think Titans are behind all of this and that Titans are the undefeatable foe that the whole universe has to team up against. Maybe you should look at some numbers and facts, or membership numbers.. you will see that Titans and LDK aren't any bigger then the other 2 'blocks' were. Now if they would team up, that is only pushing stagnation to the foreground, unless ofcourse Fury and WP/ELY go to each others throats after they defeat Titans and LDK ;-)
Like they said they would have done to FoS in R6 if the round had lasted a month longer.
I can still remember the after round 6 bragging by certain Fury and VtS on WHAT IF, round 6 had lasted a big longer and how they would have cnutted 'arrogant' Jurgen and his alliance, and NoS.
Heh. This is becoming a long story. -end-
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26 Nov 2002, 13:46
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ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
Posts: 1,813
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Originally posted by Hardin
Actually I thought XtotheZ made good points in his reply.
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Thank you : )
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Originally posted by Hardin
With regard Zhukov being Fury XtotheZ never said he was...he said his gal contained Fury not that Zhukov himself was Fury.
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Zhukov is neutral.
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Originally posted by Hardin
His run down on Elysium strategy certainly made more sense than some of the theories I have seen on here.
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Thats because I post actual facts based on what actually occured, whereas Storebo posts actual garbage based on what he believes.
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