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Unread 16 Nov 2015, 23:13   #101
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This has been perhaps the most eventfull day in the last few years of PA.
First a "unidentified" player apparently get 10 of his "friends" who have been escorting him around all round closed.
Then a top10 planet decides to take a dive from rank 9 to 90.
Then Adapt decides to crash his fleet at BowS in rage.
And now it seems like the feed page is more interesting to look at than PA has been for years.
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Then Adapt decides to crash his fleet at BowS in rage.
There was no rage involved in my fleet crash i had joined ct at the start of the round and became inactive due to family issues and they understood that so instead of me taking a valuable spot in ally i left and re-applied to tag so i could stay in priv channels. From then on i was not much use to anyone, so i sent my fleet to attack along with a few CT players, went to bed, woke up early enough to recall but had no interest logging in to do so because im having a round off if you will and if you think i "raged" due to my fleet name being something like "ADAPT HATES BOWS" it has been that from like tick 500 when CT has incoming from you guys and on top off that i didnt know who i was hitting LOL i was just given coords and i sent.

So no i didnt rage i just crashed cause i have better things to worry about.
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Still cared enough for the lame excuses.

Any guess on who is that player full of friends?
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Any guess on who is that player full of friends?
Im sure he will show up here with a "reasonable" explaination sooner or later.
He has been known for this in the past
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The way you always show how informed you are makes me so wet.
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Still cared enough for the lame excuses.
I just get enjoyment out of reading the shit butcher posts, and replying with the correct details and thats what i did
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Actually I think I'll just use Google Images :P. Money isn't growing on trees lately.
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No no. BB said Ult have won, so they've won. They are sitting pretty....in 2nd.
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Unread 21 Nov 2015, 11:46   #111
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4 against 1 only ever has one outcome... doesnt matter that our def is not top notch 270 incs a night means you are going down, just a matter of how fast. In some ways the quick loss is good, easier to attack than if P3n was still clinging on to 10k more roids.

Have to hand it to ults political team, they successfully held a block together while their opponents attacked essentially as two separate which both NAPed ult and watched the other group be thumped at different times.
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Sounds like your underestimation of Ults strength has come to bite you in the ass. The bigger the ego, the harder the fall.
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Sounds like your underestimation of Ults strength has come to bite you in the ass. The bigger the ego, the harder the fall.
Its not over before the last tick

Can't say I witnessed anyone from p3nguins underestimating ult or showing a big ego. But again as Londo pointed out we are been hit by 4 alliances and not grounding. But fair play to the alliances, will be just interesting to see what happened now we have nothing left to loose.
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Sounds like your underestimation of Ults strength has come to bite you in the ass. The bigger the ego, the harder the fall.
This was not the problem: quite the opposite. P3ns correct appraisal of Ults strength lead directly to the pickle we are in now.
As usual we come to the denouement of the round and you remember the last 200 ticks but not the first half so let us recap.

P3n assessing the threat of Ult running away with it as appeared likely at the end of October first attacked Ult in midweek the first week of November. This had support from CT (gal raiding ult gals) as well as Terra and ND. However, the other stronger alliances held back.

At the end of that week it was quite clear that this coalition was insufficient and not making any progress. We were unable to find more partners to make it a success as a result CT decided not to continue gal raiding ult gals so this ended that campaign (CT may dispute this characterization).
Knowing that P3n would lose alone we accepted a NAP with ult.

Thus it was our assessment of Ults strength, rather than an underestimation, that led P3n both to attack ult and then to make peace.
Arguably both the attack and the peace were premature. Had Ult been left to build up a greater lead before p3n attacked then finding allies for a proper gangbang would have been easier. The peace also proved premature as Asgard and Black flag realised the next week that they had to fight... they were more successful than p3n but with p3n not able to act due to the nap they too ultimately failed. P3n knowing that leaving BF to die would doom us chose to attack FL in an attempt to take the pressure off BF, but this was too little too late and provided Ult with casus belli to attack p3n.
So then we come to P3n being destroyed by ult and where we are now.
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wasnt it over last week?
Yes, for all that concerns ult
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Can't say I witnessed anyone from p3nguins underestimating ult or showing a big ego. But again as Londo pointed out we are been hit by 4 alliances and not grounding. But fair play to the alliances, will be just interesting to see what happened now we have nothing left to loose.
I merly pointed out thar how politics was back then with p3ng on "the fence" more or less to me meant that ult was gonna win the round. Krypton laughed at it saying they wernt even #1, aint he p3ng?
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No I laughed that you had already congratulated them. They still haven't won...

Putting aside that they basically have 80-90 planets themselves, they also have more committed partners. Zwan chooses to ally with Ult wherever he HC's, so that's another 60 planets, then there's Rain and HR to.

The biggest plus of our round is Fightclub's return of only 1 successful FC's in 30 attempts on our planets, resulting in them and other Ult partners (Cobra/HR etc.) deciding to crash on us to kill our value...whether it was at Ult's request we will never know. We all know that Misty is Wouter's puppet.

For an ally that has been half assed, P3n has been superb this round and Munkee deserves great praise for the time he's put into running the ally.
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The biggest plus of our round is Fightclub's ... deciding to crash on us to kill our value...whether it was at Ult's request we will never know.
No, we do know. 2 fight club guys couldnt be contacted so, other than the two ults and that chicken Gzambo, they decided to go in and share the loss rather than have two destroyed utterly.
It was a fail at destroying value were that the aim, since P3n cats profited and even I, as a t50 val zik broke even.
Crashes are usually accidental rather than malicious.
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I was referring to the hr and cobra crashes on my planet and others. Calls obviously covered, but all good. Only a game.
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Its not simply that they have "two tags", but also how they control politics very good. As you said they lured p3ng into a NAP wich ruled them out of the first war, and then got the others to nap em while they crushed p3ng.

Back in the glory days they had Apprime/DFWKT as support tags, but even when ND/CT/FAnG/HaveN managed to beat em down they were able to make comebacks by playing the other allies up against each other
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I was referring to the hr and cobra crashes on my planet and others. Calls obviously covered, but all good. Only a game.
HR crashing on your planet? Seems a bit unlikely..
The only fleets from HR to your planet this round were def fleets..
So I suggest you go fix your intel..
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We all know that Misty is Wouter's puppet.
Not sure if that is true or not but what I can tell you: Misty this round had zero involvement in picking targets this round, or for that matter deciding what alliance we would hit..

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Not sure if that is true or not but what I can tell you: Misty this round had zero involvement in picking targets this round, or for that matter deciding what alliance we would hit..
and all the time ive thought Misty was a bot
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The biggest plus of our round is Fightclub's return of only 1 successful FC's in 30 attempts on our planets, resulting in them and other Ult partners (Cobra/HR etc.) deciding to crash on us to kill our value...whether it was at Ult's request we will never know.
Assuming this refers to last night's crash. I've been led to believe 2 of the people on that wave could not recall, and they chose to land together than leave those 2 to die. Whatever you may think of that decision (I think it's silly), it has nothing to do with being overcome with frustration at not being able to land you.

So, no, the crash was not at Ult's request. Whether the launch was, I don't know.

It was also not intended to kill your value. migz is good enough with a bcalc to know that this attack wouldn't kill anything, well before it actually landed.
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Its not simply that they have "two tags", but also how they control politics very good. As you said they lured p3ng into a NAP wich ruled them out of the first war, and then got the others to nap em while they crushed p3ng.

Back in the glory days they had Apprime/DFWKT as support tags, but even when ND/CT/FAnG/HaveN managed to beat em down they were able to make comebacks by playing the other allies up against each other
DFWKT?
Oddr maybe pal, with cardi being in ODDR tag to avoid inc fker
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Not sure if that is true or not but what I can tell you: Misty this round had zero involvement in picking targets this round, or for that matter deciding what alliance we would hit..
Oh so whoevers taken over is Wouters puppet to!

And i said at mine and others planets. Sooo. Probs should read. But then, to be expected.

Yes i know Mz. Have been informed of that already. Doesnt change the fact that its been near every night for the past 20 days they have tried to fc us to Ult's advantage and although failed, been a nuisance. Should be known when you take on ult you take on 120 planets plus whoever Zwan is HC of (faceless in this case, but Asgard previously). Just like ct and bf are always friendly. Its all very predictable and boring. Why im proud of our efforts and thank Munkee for his time.
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Oh so whoevers taken over is Wouters puppet to!

And i said at mine and others planets. Sooo. Probs should read. But then, to be expected.

Yes i know Mz. Have been informed of that already. Doesnt change the fact that its been near every night for the past 20 days they have tried to fc us to Ult's advantage and although failed, been a nuisance. Should be known when you take on ult you take on 120 planets plus whoever Zwan is HC of (faceless in this case, but Asgard previously). Just like ct and bf are always friendly. Its all very predictable and boring. Why im proud of our efforts and thank Munkee for his time.
actually the main reason fightclub/heroes keeps trying to FC you is cause p3n are the only retards still attacking with mostly co so yeah its easy pickings.

and as for your idea of COBRA they are nothing to do with ult. infact 1 just crashed on an ult today and they have been hitting ult so yeah as bram said go check your intel pal.

tbfh all I see is the well renowed fence sitters complaining they are getting inc and the retard strat picked by whoever picked it ruins any chance of def vs cr/bs (oh and the fact that a rocket scientist thinks only covering ult and closing all other calls from other tags is a winning strat...)
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Sorry. Who are you?

Basically shows how ridiculously ill informed you are when fi/co seems like the best strat for the round. Easy pickings equals failing consistently i guess.

Seems that an ally full of people with rl stuff on thats outnumbered 4 to 1 is still in with a chance. Clearly doing something right. Probably come back with a valid argument pal.
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And i said at mine and others planets. Sooo. Probs should read. But then, to be expected.
Ok, you promoted me to go check..
Since we started hitting p3n: only on two lands on p3n HR lost ship value..

One fleet from someone not really active (lost 777k value) which did not even check before land.. (and his plan this round was crashing only 4 times.. )
The other lost about 186k ship value but xp and roid gain: 320k score.. (net gain 134k score)
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For reference, Zwanstic isn't even in Faceless HC channels. He is not running Faceless.
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What I got from BB is that Agar3s is actually running FL.
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Ok, you promoted me to go check..
Since we started hitting p3n: only on two lands on p3n HR lost ship value..

One fleet from someone not really active (lost 777k value) which did not even check before land.. (and his plan this round was crashing only 4 times.. )
The other lost about 186k ship value but xp and roid gain: 320k score.. (net gain 134k score)
Lol nonsense, I was crashed on by 2 HR BS fleets on PT 782, The TERR only lost 72k after his roidgain and got a big xp gain (ending 170k positive). However, the ETD was cut out of cap losing 355k val for no gain. (the ETD is always the whipping boy in these stats!).

I only bring this up because I know that post of yours to be false. I dont believe this was part of any campaign to crash on us and cost us score because although i lost out all my defenders went home happy, besides it looked to me very like they forgot to look at a p-scan.
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Now now don't go telling Bram his stats are wrong. We had to endure a 3 page argument with clouds last round when he disputed bf incoming count taken from the ally def page.

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What I got from BB is that Agar3s is actually running FL.
Well why dont you prove him wrong by fighting Ult then.

Then BB can claim Aga has a split personality.
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Lol nonsense, I was crashed on by 2 HR BS fleets on PT 782, The TERR only lost 72k after his roidgain and got a big xp gain (ending 170k positive). However, the ETD was cut out of cap losing 355k val for no gain. (the ETD is always the whipping boy in these stats!).
True: an Etd and Ter fleet crashed on you at PT 782.
True: that Ter fleet lost 124k fleet value
True: that Etd fleet lost most of it
True: the Ter planet is in HR
False: the Etd planet is in HR
True: the Etd planet is in a gal with the Ter planet (which is in HR)
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If you sit at the top of the tree you get hit!

If you're found out to be sitting on a fence you get hit!

Funnily enough PA is supposed to be about attacking and defending. Munkee I don't agree with what you have done with throwing the roids away without trying to keep hold of them, however I do concede what you have managed to do with p3n so far this round has been pretty impressive.

All this 4v1 etc I hate blocking always have always will. P3n are suffering simply due to the fact they are not as active as ULT and I dare to say they lack the quality in their dc's.
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For reference, Zwanstic isn't even in Faceless HC channels. He is not running Faceless.
For reference, Zwant cant even run his own planet!
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If you're found out to be sitting on a fence you get hit!

Funnily enough PA is supposed to be about attacking and defending. Munkee I don't agree with what you have done with throwing the roids away without trying to keep hold of them, however I do concede what you have managed to do with p3n so far this round has been pretty impressive.

All this 4v1 etc I hate blocking always have always will. P3n are suffering simply due to the fact they are not as active as ULT and I dare to say they lack the quality in their dc's.
You are right if your at the top of the mountain people will hit you. Don't think you will find anyone disputing that. Think the only thing you could dispute is people breaking agreements early to hit you.

I do also like how many people keep accusing p3nguins of fencing. P3nguins did try to hit Ultores early on but didn't get the same support and in the end as Londo pointed out decided to end it and go into agreements with Ult/stay out of it. People seem to have short memories to this fact, but your right for a time we were allowed to grow and comfortably feed of easy gals. Eventually we were bound to be hit and I'm glad it started happening a few days ago and not the last week.

I also agree PA should always be about attacking, but these days it's also usually which ever alliance can make themselves politically superior. Ie the winner is usually the alliance that's made a strong allie who's happy to take second while giving the other the win. Pretty sure that's demonstrated through PA history lately. P3nguins also decided even after knowing we were going to get hit not to ground. I'm sure we don't have, as you point out, the defence capabilities of Ult, however, pretty sure DCs in ult don't also work normal 12 hour day shifts so have the time to sit on a txt based game for 3 quarters of the day/night. I'm also sure the alliance grounded to try and keep the roids/make the battle last a lot longer. Our philosophy however was simple.. We were out numbered and our strongest part is attacking. So why ground and try to stop the inevitable. Eventually the alliances hitting us have to realise there's no roids left to take. We have had many failed FCs which prove our defence isn't as bad as people think (I'm not trying to of course imply we are also good at it compared to the likes of Ult just making a point) but at least now eventually this block will have to decide on where it goes next (which I hear is difficult due to everyone now "fencing" themselves).
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If you're found out to be sitting on a fence you get hit!

Funnily enough PA is supposed to be about attacking and defending. Munkee I don't agree with what you have done with throwing the roids away without trying to keep hold of them, however I do concede what you have managed to do with p3n so far this round has been pretty impressive.

All this 4v1 etc I hate blocking always have always will. P3n are suffering simply due to the fact they are not as active as ULT and I dare to say they lack the quality in their dc's.
A post with truth...on AD? Noooo.

We do have quality dcs. Just no one will do it full time, nor will anyone wake up because rl is more important.
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Well why dont you prove him wrong by fighting Ult then.

Then BB can claim Aga has a split personality.
Like FL would ever knowingly take someone on on their own

That said, with all the Ult support planets out of tag, hardly a fair fight.
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Like FL would ever knowingly take someone on on their own

That said, with all the Ult support planets out of tag, hardly a fair fight.
"All the support Ult support planets out of tag"

I do wonder about that one, how many such planets does Ult have?

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Please can we stop with support planet oot rubbish.

We could attribute norsemen to some such ally. However they do their own thing, I am sure there are people in other tags who look open ult favourably however that can be said for others towards other allies.
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Ok, you promoted me to go check..
Since we started hitting p3n: only on two lands on p3n HR lost ship value..

One fleet from someone not really active (lost 777k value) which did not even check before land.. (and his plan this round was crashing only 4 times.. )
The other lost about 186k ship value but xp and roid gain: 320k score.. (net gain 134k score)
Lol what a bs. U Hr guys crashlanded alone on my place for 3 times 400k value loss xD
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Trust me when I say the HR crashes will be down to the odd member being a loser and not checking jpgs or being too high when calcing

I actually crashed a 2k terran bs fleet about mid way through the round (can't remember who on) and that was because I got called to cover a job at the last minute and had no signal to recall lol sh!t happens!

In my opinion the value in hitting P3ng was gone a day or two ago, surely some allies need to think about mixing it up with Ult soon?

(disclaimer : I am just a peon with no say in HR politics so don't read any coming moves from this lol not that we have the rank to be a king maker anyways!)
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Lol what a bs. U Hr guys crashlanded alone on my place for 3 times 400k value loss xD
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Mind clarifying what your place is so I can check?
As I stated: I only checked the attack since we started hitting p3n - that means the last 4 days.
I did not check before that.. it's possible (and even likely) that some fleets were crashed before that
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Like FL would ever knowingly take someone on on their own
Being in FL for two rounds I can say FL usually takes more than one ally on their own. I rarely see out of tag defense fleets when more than one ally attacks here.
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Being in FL for two rounds I can say FL usually takes more than one ally on their own. I rarely see out of tag defense fleets when more than one ally attacks here.
Just not this round..
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Or last. Were relying on p3n belping them to.

Or any other round for that matter.
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Or last. Were relying on p3n belping them to.

Or any other round for that matter.
I am still waiting for the coordlist on outside tag Ult planets.
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