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4 Nov 2009, 09:06
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Illusions
Was the Xan pod emp res intended be to as it is, or is that clearly just an epic brain fart?
Seeing how Xan cant attack Ter, Xan, Zik with a legitimate land, and they need ETD to have a pretty useless fleet comp to land there also....., how on earth are Xan meant to land on their only viable legitimate land target, with emp res like that on pods? Even when you break emp, you still dont cap.
Emping Xan FI at 170% Eff is cool. But really, this is taking the piss.........
http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=p7rdw24emd9q7gb
Landing Xan vs Xan def solo, is a viable def land.... better cool.
http://game.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=49o7acvkuvcuzum
Def loss is halved with feud............
50k value loss to kill 1 mil value. How the fk is that even possible?
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4 Nov 2009, 09:17
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Re: Illusions
calc'ing with max salvage is a huge fail, still half of pa seems to be doing that
I really don't see why xan's can't attack zik/etd. Ter might be hard without a t1 fr and pegs being so good, but surely some of them went bs.
Let's turn this around instead, who exactly can attack xans solo?
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
Those damn emp races..
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4 Nov 2009, 09:57
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Re: Illusions
How is Xan going to hit Zik?
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4 Nov 2009, 11:10
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Re: Illusions
Banshee/Revenant?
Not every zik will build a DE attack fleet. If they build a CR attack fleet, then rogues have no flak.
Besides which, xans are close to immune to every killship attack fleet except etd BS, so they won't suck.
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4 Nov 2009, 11:31
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Re: Illusions
Xans can attack most races except for races that fortress all their res into one class(Ter FR, Zik DE) but its not like other races can roid them solo either.
Ters who go for bs, ziks who go for cr, etds go for bs, caths in general are all viable target. Not to forget smaller ziks and etds in general.
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4 Nov 2009, 12:05
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Re: Illusions
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Originally Posted by Gate
Banshee/Revenant?
Not every zik will build a DE attack fleet. If they build a CR attack fleet, then rogues have no flak.
Besides which, xans are close to immune to every killship attack fleet except etd BS, so they won't suck.
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U are the last person that should comment on stats Gate.
Ok, if Xan wants to build revenant, that is less value they have in their FI class, which is what targets CO. So by building revs, a Xan will decrease his ability to hit Cat, increase his ability to be hit by Cat, reduce his ability to hit CR/BS + FI/CO planets, increase his ability to be attacked by them, and also increase the chances of being covered with alliance defense.
So. Banshee/Rev it is Gate?
Edit: Xan can hit Ter BS + harp sure, but in order to get past the harp, a Xan will be forced to put a large chunk of value into a ship that only targets 1 class. That is an extremely inefficient use of resources imo.
You are then weaking urself to Cat CO .
Thief is a superior ship to Cutlass we can agree? Meaning (hopefully) most Zik players would build Thief instead of Cutlass. If in order to attack Ter BS + harp planets, you go heavy phant, you will negate your ability to hit Zik who who chose CR + CO, and also ETD BS + Pilly.
So Effectively, Xan are restricted to attacking Cat planets they out value hugely (which will mean u cap a shitlow %) Ter BS + harp, and being extremely wide open to defense from pillager, thief, beetle, and all FR/DE, while being unable to hit ETD BS + Pilly, or Zik CR + Thief.
On the other hand if you go banshee heavy, you can only hit Cat Co, Ter FR you can kill (:salute) ETD BS + Pilly (which is steal, so you wont be able to hit it for long once they cap the token 30k phants, and not to mention well and truelly out Eff you.), Ziks who havent gone DE, but have gone CR + Thief (see that bit about stealing and high eff etc)
If you split youre targetting class too much, then youre retarded and shouldnt be reading this anyway.
Really, what fking options are there?
Cat which emp you at 170%, Ter, which ur gonna have to pump value into a ship that targets fk all else, Xan who for some reason dont have enough phant to stop another Xan hitting (lol) and ETD/Zik, who you wont be able to hit once they make a slightly decent steal.
IMBA XAN ATT!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONEHUNDREDANDELEVENTYELEVEN!!!!!23444FFS
Last edited by [JungleMuffin]; 4 Nov 2009 at 12:26.
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4 Nov 2009, 12:32
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Re: Illusions
Anyways, this thread is less about the races Xan can hit, and more about Illusion emp res.
Is it me, or is it flawed?
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4 Nov 2009, 12:51
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Re: Illusions
It's fine by me. Xans can pump ~50-60% in their Fi, if not more.
Caths can only afford ~40% in Beetle.
If anything is flawed, it's Pillager/Thief ERes.
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4 Nov 2009, 14:21
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Re: Illusions
Hardly, zik needs to have atleast one good aspect about them or else noone would play them.
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4 Nov 2009, 14:25
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Re: Illusions
I'm not saying it should be 150%+, but <100% is just silly.
Besides, value stealing Xan at 170% has its advantages as well.
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4 Nov 2009, 14:39
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Re: Illusions
Obviously, but the fact is that the zik co fleet has the highest init, and that its also not a podfleet to begin with, meaning that you are probably going to use some time to actually steal some pods. And once you steal some pods your are still only going to be able to roid caths solo..
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4 Nov 2009, 18:53
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Re: Illusions
So you can roid inactive caths and cap their fleets, then move on to Xan.
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4 Nov 2009, 18:55
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Re: Illusions
As long as they arent running like the french
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4 Nov 2009, 20:38
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Re: Illusions
Quote:
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As long as they arent running like the french
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French don't retreat, they just move aggressively to the rear!
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5 Nov 2009, 02:11
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Re: Illusions
Thats retreating..
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5 Nov 2009, 07:07
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Re: Illusions
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Originally Posted by Buly
So you can roid inactive caths and cap their fleets, then move on to Xan.
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Might have used to work, not as easy anymore.
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7 Nov 2009, 22:27
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Re: Illusions
be quiet JM, you're just a weak xan player.. Xan are overpowered if anything
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8 Nov 2009, 21:23
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Re: Illusions
Also, as well as xan being good, I think zik also look like they'll do well this round in terms of avg value etc.
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8 Nov 2009, 21:51
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Re: Illusions
Xan performance is average. Etd are doing pretty well. And Cat, but that usually changes over time.
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9 Nov 2009, 09:55
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Re: Illusions
Quote:
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Xan performance is average. Etd are doing pretty well. And Cat, but that usually changes over time.
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I expect cath are unlikely to make a round long resurgence. Xan and zik usually strengthen over time. Long term strength of etd is generally determined by a combination of alliance performance and their reliance on EMP + length of round.
How long is this round?
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9 Nov 2009, 11:01
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Re: Illusions
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gate
I expect cath are unlikely to make a round long resurgence. Xan and zik usually strengthen over time. Long term strength of etd is generally determined by a combination of alliance performance and their reliance on EMP + length of round.
How long is this round?
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7 weeks. Like every other round except that ONE round.
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9 Nov 2009, 11:02
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Re: Illusions
Ziks will do fine defensively, offensively is, as always, more of a problem.
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